FL - Markeis McGlockton shot and killed in front of family, Clearwater, July 2018

[Jim G]

Let's get real here. He wasn't being "beaten to death". He was forcefully shoved to the ground.

McGlockton pushed Drejka and Drejka fell to the ground. He wasn't "beating him to death" nor was McGlockton attempting to "beat him to death".[/QUO

Oh, so you've somehow telepathically communicated with the deceased and have divined his intentions? Well, on the video he continues to advance on Drejka after the body slam. Why does he do this?

 

[2Hope4]

Nope. This was started by the person who refused to alert the proper authorities. IMO

Wait.. no... there would have been nothing to report, had someone not illegally parked in the handicapped spot!

 

[Hraefn]

I did not see any continuous advancement. I saw a shove and a person who thought the altercation was over be shot.

Obviously minds differ on what happens in the video. A jury could end up on either side to be honest. The law is flawed.

 

[kimlynn]

Wait.. no... there would have been nothing to report, had someone not illegally parked in the handicapped spot!

And when that happens you call LE or go inside the store and speak with the manager. Crisis averted.IMO

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I saw the two videos, the one from outside and then another one from inside the store when he came back in.

What made him go out of the store without his child, as it appears he left the child in the store and the child was standing there as he came back in.

There must have been some pretty loud commotion that he himself heard, or someone came in the store and said something for him to have walked out of the store without his young child? I haven't caught up on this entire thread, and perhaps this is already been discussed and I've missed a news report on why he went out without his child.

 

[kimlynn]

I saw the two videos, the one from outside and then another one from inside the store when he came back in.

What made him go out of the store without his child, as it appears he left the child in the store and the child was standing there as he came back in.

There must have been some pretty loud commotion that he himself heard, or someone came in the store and said something for him to have walked out of the store without his young child? I haven't caught up on this entire thread, and perhaps this is already been discussed and I've missed a news report on why he went out without his child.

In spite of a few posters here saying that the customers paid little attention...I had the opposite impression. Customers were clearly looking toward the disturbance, with some (two) stopping in the doorway of the store to stare and some doing a double take and pausing to watch.
It must have been very loud and this was of course before Markeis came outside the store.
ETA Every customer in the video was looking at some point toward BJ and MD.

 

[cybervampira]

'Stand your ground' has become a get-out-of-jail-free license to kill

Twisted individuals believe they can be judge, jury and executioner without suffering consequences for their actions. Unfortunately, thanks to misguided ideas like stand your ground, these individuals turn out to be correct. Let’s call them what they are: murderers — self-appointed “wannabe cops” abusing lousy legislation.

This outrageous situation cries out for justice. Five members of Congress, including three U.S. senators, have called for the Department of Justice to investigate why stand-your-ground immunity was extended to a man carrying a concealed weapon who angrily approached a car — with young children inside — and created a confrontation.

 

[cybervampira]

Republican lawmaker, NRA lobbyist challenge Florida sheriff on 'Stand Your Ground' stance in shooting

Sheriff Bob Gualtieri recently said his hands were tied in deciding whether to charge a man in a shooting outside a convenience store because the "Stand Your Ground" law “created a standard, that is a largely subjective standard” for the use of deadly force by a shooter. Gualtieri also noted another new state law could mean his office may be civilly liable simply for arresting the shooter.

But not so, say experts -- including lawmakers who wrote "Stand Your Ground," criminal lawyers and a National Rifle Association lobbyist -- who were interviewed by POLITICO about Gualtieri's controversial remarks.

“Nothing in either the 2005 ["Stand Your Ground"] law or the 2017 law [about immunity from prosecution] prohibits a Sheriff from making an arrest in a case where a person claims self-defense if there is probable cause that the use of force was unlawful,” Tallahassee NRA lobbyist Marion Hammer told Politico. Hammer helped pass "Stand Your Ground" through the GOP-led Florida Legislature.

 

[cybervampira]

NRA, Republicans refute GOP sheriff's stand-your-ground claims

What’s more, Sanchez said, the sheriff failed to take into account another part of the self-defense statute that says a person can use or threaten “force, except deadly force” if “the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force.”

So, Sanchez said, there’s “unlawful force” and there’s “deadly force,” which is more serious. In the video of the incident, McGlockton clearly committed a battery and therefore used “unlawful force.” But Drejka used “deadly force” as a response — even though McGlockton was backing away. And because McGlockton had stepped back, Drejka was not “reasonably” in fear of great bodily harm or imminent death.

 

[Jennifer17]

I wonder what would have happened if MM, after he was shot had pulled out his gun and shot him back? Who would hold the SYG right in that situation?

 

[cybervampira]

I wonder what would have happened if MM, after he was shot had pulled out his gun and shot him back? Who would hold the SYG right in that situation?

Good question! I think according to the statute, M in theory had the right to respond to deadly force with deadly force. But D did not have the right to respond to unlawful force with deadly force, but maybe a lawyer can chime in.

 

[Jennifer17]

Good question! I think according to the statute, M in theory had the right to respond to deadly force with deadly force. But D did not have the right to respond to unlawful force with deadly force, but maybe a lawyer can chime in.

I think that we can guess who would hold the high ground.

 

[andreww]

I have family and friends who rely on handicapped parking spaces, but I will tell you this: Not a single one of them would shoot and kill someone over that parking space, nor would any of them endorse the shooting and killing of anyone over a handicapped parking space.

So, in return, I must question why you or anyone else should be sick of hearing about my outrage about those who seem to excuse the shooting death of Mr. McGlockton. Unless you endorse someone being shot & killed over a handicapped parking space.

Children have been robbed of their father. A woman has been robbed of her partner.

A man has been killed.

Does that mean nothing to you?

You are twisting the story around. MD didn't kill him over a parking space. If that was his intention, he would have shot the girlfriend in the car. He shot MM because he violently blindsided him, then advanced on him.

 

[Jennifer17]

You are twisting the story around. MD didn't kill him over a parking space. If that was his intention, he would have shot the girlfriend in the car. He shot MM because he violently blindsided him, then advanced on him.

No, the man was pushed over because he was yelling at his wife. He really deserved to be shot for that, didn't he? And he was not advancing on anyone.

 

[andreww]

No, the man was pushed over because he was yelling at his wife. He really deserved to be shot for that, didn't he? And he was not advancing on anyone.

First, no evidence that HE was yelling at the wife. You don't know if it was her that was yelling at him. Secondly, yes he did advance. After the push he too two steps towards MD, and pulls up on his waistband. It isn't until MD reaches for the gun that MM stepped back.

 

[SeesSeas]

10 a.m. press conference
LIVE now - WFLA Live

Sheriff, NAACP to hold news conference on Markeis McGlockton shooting
Updated: July 31, 2018 at 08:14 AM
LARGO — Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri, a local chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People and the Upper Pinellas County Ministerial Alliance will hold a news conference at 10 a.m. today to discuss the shooting of Markeis McGlockton.

 

[cybervampira]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10156744053105409

 

[bluesneakers]

Is he ever defensive.

 

[Hraefn]

10 a.m. press conference
LIVE now - WFLA Live

Sheriff, NAACP to hold news conference on Markeis McGlockton shooting
Updated: July 31, 2018 at 08:14 AM
LARGO — Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri, a local chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People and the Upper Pinellas County Ministerial Alliance will hold a news conference at 10 a.m. today to discuss the shooting of Markeis McGlockton.

From link:

The decision has drawn scrutiny and reignited the national debate around the controversial law. Pinellas-Pasco State Attorney Bernie McCabe will have the final say. Gualtieri’s agency will soon forward the investigation to his office to decide whether to bring forth charges.

The Clearwater/Upper Pinellas Branch of the NAACP and the Ministerial Alliance have been heavily involved with McGlockton’s family since the shooting. The groups helped organize a vigil last week and, most recently, a town hall on Sunday.

 

[andreww]

Well handled press conference. He was forthcoming and dispelled a lot of the fiction that is out there.