FL - Markeis McGlockton shot and killed in front of family, Clearwater, July 2018

[andreww]

He was pushed over and landed on his bum. Watch some Rugby to see what a body slam is.

Theres a reason rugby is played on grass and not concrete.

 

[andreww]

No, did not she say she was not. Would you be afraid if stranger came up to you and shouted a profanity laced tirade at you?

Have you seen a transcript of what was said? Please post it.

 

[andreww]

No, did not she say she was not. Would you be afraid if stranger came up to you and shouted a profanity laced tirade at you?

Can you please post your source for saying MD launched a profanity laced tirade on her?

 

[andreww]

I've never illegally parked in a handicapped spot in my entire life.

Why would you? Unlawfully using a handicapped space is a clear indication that you have no respect for your fellow man. Hopefully most people wouldn't, but I have my doubts.

 

[andreww]

you do know Drejka has harassed people and threaten to shoot them over a parking spot in the past

Yes, Richard Kelly. I've seen his interview and it seems to be a little one sided.

His version of events (paraphrased)
Derjka: You are in a handicapped space
Kelly: Are you handicapped?
Derjka: No, my mother is.
Kelly: If you like, I'll move the truck?

Kelly then states that Derjka began calling him every racial slur in the book.

What he neglects to say, as pointed out by the store employee, "They were cursing each other". So Kelly has already lied. His statement is also in question due to the fact that Derjka called Kelly's employer to complain about him parking in the handicapped spot. Kelly has a strong incentive to sanitize what his role was and to exaggerate what Derjka said. He likely had to give an explanation to his employer back when this happened, possibly he lied or exaggerated, but now he is stuck with that version of events?

Kelly's interview can be seen here

 

[Jade]

you do know Drejka has harassed people and threaten to shoot them over a parking spot in the past

It's not relevant legally to that exchange.

Still, Gualtieri told reporters, the legal question is not about whether Drejka was right in being the self-appointed protector of the handicap spot.

“What’s relevant is not whether this guy’s a good guy, nice guy, or whether he’s a jerk, or whether he’s a thorn in people’s side and what he’s done, whether it’s three weeks ago, three months ago or three years ago,” Gualtieri said. “What’s relevant and the only thing we can look at here is was he in fear of further bodily harm.”
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He is accused of killing someone in a parking spot dispute. Authorities say he was standing his ground.


If you are going to also state MM’s community interactions for comparison and discussion on WS it might be of interest.

Harassment and physical attacks are different in the eyes of the law. To me when MM made his step it seemed he was going for a weapon.

Here in the Deep South you can’t swing a cat without hitting a gun- from the hair dresser to the grocery store -so it doesn’t surprise me MD was armed which is why I would never indulge in a public disorder. Especially while defending an indefensible position.

BJ couldn’t have been too threatened or she would have rolled up the windows and driven to safety to call LE. She says she did nothing wrong so why didn’t she just call police right then and there to report harassment instead of arguing with him as she admitted.

It boggles me that she expressed absolutely no regret for her role in this matter. I understand she had been working all night she has an infant and young children…but she feels justified:

But Jacobs said that in the moments before he was shot, her boyfriend was also in fear.


“My man hears what’s going on, sees the guy yelling at me and I’m sitting in the car. My man is defending me and his children, so he pushes him down,” she told “Good Morning America.”


“The guy is on the ground and he pulls the gun out. . . . My dude steps back ’cause my dude is fearing for his life — all of us were,” she added.
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He is accused of killing someone in a parking spot dispute. Authorities say he was standing his ground.


BJ is in fear but she debates with MD and exits the car- her actions defy that position.

IMO

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[andreww]

I get the feeling that she and MM only experience fear when the realized MD was reaching for a gun.

 

[andreww]

And Gaultieri is dead on in his comments. In fact, in my opinion, the parking spot and the argument about it are irrelevant. The interaction between MM & MD began with the shove. There is no reason to believe that MD had any idea who MM was at that point, so there would be no reason to connect MM to the parking spot.

 

[Hraefn]

And Gaultieri is dead on in his comments. In fact, in my opinion, the parking spot and the argument about it are irrelevant. The interaction between MM & MD began with the shove. There is no reason to believe that MD had any idea who MM was at that point, so there would be no reason to connect MM to the parking spot.

It’s only relevant in that M didn’t shove D out of the blue for no reason. It was provoked by the confrontation in the parking lot.

 

[Hraefn]

This is the key part that some people are missing. You don't get out of your car if you're scared of somebody you're arguing with. MM didn't react with an uncivilized shove because he was afraid for her. He thought he could just bully the little guy arguing with her.

But she didn't have any duty to retreat under FL law if she was afraid. She had the right to defend herself.

 

[andreww]

So obviously she wasn't afraid.

 

[Hraefn]

So obviously she wasn't afraid.

Because she went to defend herself? I'm confused...

 

[andreww]

It’s only relevant in that M didn’t shove D out of the blue for no reason. It was provoked by the confrontation in the parking lot.

Only partially. True it did draw MM out of the store, but he was not part of that argument. He may have heard 2 seconds worth of it. But the altercation between MM and MD did not begin until MD was shoved.

 

[andreww]

Because she went to defend herself? I'm confused...

No, because she got out of the car right in front of MD. Not something you would do if you were afraid. She also said that MD did not threaten her and that she did not feel threatened.

 

[Hraefn]

Only partially. True it did draw MM out of the store, but he was not part of that argument. He may have heard 2 seconds worth of it. But the altercation between MM and MD did not begin until MD was shoved.

If D had not been confronting his family, M would have no reason to shove him. D started the confrontation. M escalated it to physical force. D escalated it to deadly force.

No, because she got out of the car right in front of MD. Not something you would do if you were afraid. She also said that MD did not threaten her and that she did not feel threatened.

She had every right to get out of the car and defend herself under SYG laws. She had no duty to retreat. You can't use the fact that she got out of the car to determine how she felt, IMO.

 

[andreww]

If D had not been confronting his family, M would have no reason to shove him. D started the confrontation. M escalated it to physical force. D escalated it to deadly force.


She had every right to get out of the car and defend herself under SYG laws. She had no duty to retreat. You can't use the fact that she got out of the car to determine how she felt, IMO.

I'm not going to argue with you. I will tell you something I learned more than a quarter century ago though. Any time that you enter in to a physical altercation with somebody, there is always the chance that the person you are battling may be armed. You can never underestimate someone because they look small and weak. In fact, someone that is small and weak that is acting tough is even more likely to be carrying a weapon. I guess MM just wasn't smart enough to get that concept. Bottom line, 29 year old men should not be getting in fist fights, especially when they already have a record for such behaviour. I'm sorry if you think I'm being harsh but MM brought this on himself when he turned to violence to solve a verbal altercation.

I don't think MM should have died however. I am against the SYG law and truly believe that MD should have taken the opportunity to use the gun as a deterrent rather than as a weapon. However, the SYG law is there and it is applicable in this case.

 

[Jade]

It’s only relevant in that M didn’t shove D out of the blue for no reason. It was provoked by the confrontation in the parking lot.

The dispute that triggered the stand your ground law between the two men was initiated by MM's shoving.

Physical violence is not the reasonable equivalent of an argument.


MM does not rise to the definition of legally provoked, imo, as he was not a party to the origins of the disorder but instead an uninformed interloper who had various alternative options.

Provocation (legal) - Wikipedia


imo

 

[andreww]

The dispute that triggered the stand your ground law between the two men was initiated by MM's shoving.

Physical violence is not the reasonable equivalent of an argument.


MM does not rise to the definition of legally provoked, imo, as he was not a party to the origins of the disorder but instead an uninformed interloper who had various alternative options.

Provocation (legal) - Wikipedia


imo

Hundred percent agreement here.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

No, did not she say she was not. Would you be afraid if stranger came up to you and shouted a profanity laced tirade at you?

Except there is no proof that happened. Where is the video showing that? Where is a witness statement stating that? The police say she reported no threats, no intimidation. Since she was there, obviously she would know.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

He was pushed over and landed on his bum. Watch some Rugby to see what a body slam is.

As per the police, he was SLAMMED to the concrete. The video shows it. People have died in those circumstances. He was right to fear for his life.