FL - Markeis McGlockton shot and killed in front of family, Clearwater, July 2018

[Wagtales10]

Why not criticize MD for harassing her in the first place? Why could MD not call police on the errant parker? Why does it fall on the victim of the harassment?

Like George Zimmerman, IMO, Drejka felt a sense of duty to confront the people he saw as problematic

 

[Wagtales10]

You miss the point. I was pointing out the inconsistency in her statements.

again, she was trapped in by Drejka's car. If someone pulled behind your wife or S/o and kids, trapping the car in and circled the car peering in... would you not feel threatened? Especially since its impossible to drive away

 

[Jim G]

Drejka trapped her in with his car. Circled the car peering in. Thats scary no matter who it is.

Wait one hot New York minute! That's exactly what Trayvon did as Zimmerman sat in his car...So now your calling Trayvon scary?

 

[flourish]

Wait one hot New York minute! That's exactly what Trayvon did as Zimmerman sat in his car...So now your calling Trayvon scary?

Trayvon Martin didn't have a car, so no, that's not the same. At all. He was a child on foot.

ETA not that i even believe Zimmerman's report of the event.

 

[Wagtales10]

Wait one hot New York minute! That's exactly what Trayvon did as Zimmerman sat in his car...So now your calling Trayvon scary?

This was noted to not be true as Zim never mentioned it in his call with 911. Only after everything happened this detail was created. SO a lie.

 

[Jim G]

This was noted to not be true as Zim never mentioned it in his call with 911. Only after everything happened this detail was created. SO a lie.

Please go back and re-read the transcripts of Zimmerman's calls to the police.

 

[bluesneakers]

Like George Zimmerman, IMO, Drejka felt a sense of duty to confront the people he saw as problematic

Part duty, but also part "Finally I get my chance! I'm tired of these *expletive* always getting away!"

 

[flourish]

Please go back and re-read the transcripts of Zimmerman's calls to the police.

Even if he said it, that wouldn't make it true. It would only be true that that's what he said.

 

[bluesneakers]

Please go back and re-read the transcripts of Zimmerman's calls to the police.

Late teens, near the clubhouse, and "He's coming towards me."

So nope, not the same thing. At all. Plus Zimmerman was in a vehicle so he could have escaped, and he had a loaded weapon so he could have defended himself.

 

[Jax49]

Drejka trapped her in with his car. Circled the car peering in. Thats scary no matter who it is.

BBM - That doesn't appear to be accurate.

Attorney: Parking lot shooting of man 'cold-blooded murder'

Drejka pulled up in his SUV seconds later, parking perpendicular to Jacobs. Drejka got out, walked to the back of Jacobs' car, looked at the license plate, and then went to the front, apparently looking for a handicapped sticker there. He appears to say something to Jacobs and points to two empty spaces nearby

IMO, no one should have died that day. I think Drejka over reacted but I'm just trying to keep the facts straight.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

I never claimed that. Please cite the law saying any physical attack falls under deadly force. That is what was absolutely incorrect about the prior post.

the person reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself, or another, or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony;

Any physical attack that you believe will do great bodily harm to you. Which is pretty much every physical attack. MD was in reasonable fear for his continued health after meeting up with MM

 

[glamourkitty1922]

No way to know, but an interesting hypothetical - if she had shot and killed him then would SYG have applied? Would she have been let free after taking a man's life? It seems so subjective, like if she could just convince the officer she believed her life was in danger it would have been acceptable.

What an absolutely insane law.

No, there had been no touching at that point, everyone was at a safe distance from each other. Self defense only became an option when MM violently attacked the older man.

 

[Hraefn]

the person reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself, or another, or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony;

Any physical attack that you believe will do great bodily harm to you. Which is pretty much every physical attack. MD was in reasonable fear for his continued health after meeting up with MM

“Any physical attack” will not cause great bodily harm. A shove doesn’t cause great bodily harm IMO and it didn’t here as far as I can tell. If he feared great bodily harm or death I think he was being unreasonable. JMO.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

MD trapped her car in, started circling it and harassed her. She probably felt trapped and tried to get away

She reported to the police that she wasn't threatened or harassed.

 

[bluesneakers]

BBM - That doesn't appear to be accurate.

Attorney: Parking lot shooting of man 'cold-blooded murder'

IMO, no one should have died that day. I think Drejka over reacted but I'm just trying to keep the facts straight.

Wouldn't parking like that mean she had no way to back out of the space?

 

[Jax49]

Wouldn't parking like that mean she had no way to back out of the space?

No. If you watch the extended video his vehicle is the one he's shoved towards. It wasn't close to blocking her. moo

 

[glamourkitty1922]

You don't think that killing someone is an overreaction to being pushed over?

He was SLAMMED by the younger man, slammed violently to the concrete. A reasonable person would feel threatened, and remember poor D was still within easy kicking distance, glaring down upon D, and showing no sign of mercy.

 

[Jax49]

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At about 6:50 you can observe where Drejka parks, relative to the vehicle in the handicapped parking space.

 

[Cryptic]

girlfriend says she was fearing for her life. but her actions (or lack of them) indicate otherwise. why not roll up window? honk horn? drive away? call LE?

All of the above makes perfect sense, and are all part of common law principles. But SYG is a whole new world and voids a lot of those principles.

Rather, she could have killed him when he first approached the car:

"I noticed a man loitering in the area without apparent purpose, The man then began to peer into my car and walk around it. Once he realized that I was a vulnerable woman, he confronted me. I never saw the handicap sign He wa talking rapidly, was angry and had his hand near his waistband. So... fearing a vigilante attack, I killed him."

Makes perfect SYG sense- right?

 

[Cryptic]

No, there had been no touching at that point, everyone was at a safe distance from each other.

Safe distance? Not that applicable if she though he was reaching for a gun (notice his hand near his waist band).

Distance means a lot less with a pistol. Age and sex mean absolutely nothing. Could she have killed him at that point?.