FL - Mass Shooting at Pulse nightclub, Orlando, 12 June 2016 #1

[oceanblueeyes]

Good question. From this article, I would say he is a fatality. Guess we won't know definitely until all the names are released.

"Mina Justice was outside the club trying to contact her 30-year-old son Eddie, who texted her when the shooting happened and asked her to call police. He told her he ran into a bathroom with other club patrons to hide. He then texted her: ‘‘He’s coming.’’

‘‘The next text said: ‘He has us, and he’s in here with us,' ’’ she said. ‘‘That was the last conversation.’’

http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nat...lando-nightclub-shooting/GrgxD0yu5ZzB3hJRQmiR

I just broke down and cried for his Mom. I am afraid her son isn't coming out alive. She would have heard from him by now if he was still living.

 

[Shelby1]

Agree. Especially since dad is playing the gay hate card but not the isis card.

Dad knows what this means. The entire family will now be interrogated just like the boston bombers families. Jmo.

THIS

I totally agree. I said earlier the dad was trying to divert, divert divert.

 

[Everyday Grace]

Long read, but an interesting article on G4S, the security firm that employed the shooter.

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/business/2014/04/g4s-global-security-company

G4S is based near London and is traded on the stock exchange there. Though it remains generally unknown to the public, it has operations in 120 countries and more than 620,000 employees. In recent years it has become the third-largest private employer in the world, after Walmart and the Taiwanese manufacturing conglomerate Foxconn. The fact that such a huge private entity is a security company is a symptom of our times.

Which leads to a final truth about the private-security business, Rule 4: If your company is spread all over the world with hundreds of thousands of employees, and it has grown rapidly through multiple acquisitions, and you are in the business of risk, and you’ve been trying to increase profits by going after high-value jobs with even greater risk, and many of your field operations are remote—well, you will have challenges maintaining control.

I'm guessing that the Florida offices were nowhere near the top of the concerns list for his employer.

 

[gregjrichards]

I live here. I used to work just blocks from where the shooting took place. The Dunkin Donuts you see next to Pulse is where I had lunch almost every day. I worked two blocks from the hospital and next door to the me office. I'm not really sure how I'm feeling right now. I went to Facebook as soon as I saw the news to check on my gay friends from Disney. One had planned on going to Pulse last night but was tired so he stayed home. All my friends that frequent the club are safe. That does not mean it doesn't affect me. My friends lost friends in this attack. My heart breaks for their pain. Right now I am feeling a bit numb. I'm so tired of Radical Islamists being called anything but that term. I'm tired of the violence. I'm ready to find a cave somewhere and load it up with food and some guns and ammo and just go hide away from everybody. I guess I need time to actually figure out what I think.

A big hug to you, CARIIS and all the local members here I am so sorry this tragedy has happened in the community you know and love. It will take time to process all of your emotions please know we are all here for you.

 

[makista]

I agree, his religious stuff may have had some influence on how he feels / thinks about homosexuality, but I think ISIS stuff is second to pure homophobia(the driving up to Orlando to a popular gay bar IMO is telling- if he wanted to be a terrorist there are closer big places - why did he drive and go to PUlse- has to mean somehting IMO) as motivator.

Second I think mental health will come in picture mooo

Bolded means he can't/couldn't act on it. Listen, he beat his wife-- he hated women anyway. ( physically demoralized). A man hitting/weakening a physically weaker sex has a disposition that is beyond the defensive, but you're the Doc. :wink

 

[tehcloser]

I think there is more to this than a generalized "hate".
This is about the war being committed by Isis terrorists.

Moo

Yes ma'am. Today it is. Tomorrow it may be something else is all I'm trying to say. I'm not denying isis. I'm just saying hate fuels all this.

 

[LLC]

Especially during an election year, it's the worst!

Yep & I'll now add reporters to the list. They are all over the tv filling airtime with assumptions, their personal opinions, asking the same old "So tell me, what was it like?" nonsense.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

clearly this is both a hate crime and an act of terror.

but establishing if there was contact and a direct link between this guy and an organized radical group will be important. the fact that ISIS has claimed responsibility does not end this inquiry.

there is a massive benefit to them saying they were behind this massacre on US soil, they have suffered some big defeats recently, and al qaeda just pledged their loyalty to the taliban.

They are still a force to be reckoned with. One snake's head may get chopped off but another head grows back. Our government has been saying they are contained for a long time but they have shown they aren't and have killed thousands of people...many of them Christians.

I believe the Isis is taking credit for it because they have been calling for lone wolf terrorist attacks to be done during the month of Ramadan.

I believe they also said it wasn't necessary to have contact with them directly and to carry out the attack on their own. I guess this way security agencies cant pick up the chatter.

So I imagine he did as the ISIS terrorist leader was asking to do.

I just read an article this afternoon that said this man's father supports the Taliban. I wonder if he has ever made it on our terror watch list?

 

[rsd1200]

I don't think that increased mental health services will prevent ISIS from influencing people to kill innocent people. JMO

Maybe not, but those who follow ISIS, imo, are mentally sick. Their minds are broken. But you are correct, mental health services would most likely never help them, just like mental health services most likely would have never helped people like Ted Bundy. Some people's minds are just bent. I'd never ever dream of slaughtering numerous people b/c I disagree w/them, I don't even hate anyone, but there's nothing we can really do to stop people who have sick, twisted minds. Look at pedophiles. Just a few weeks back they did a big sweep and caught a youth minister, a minister, a firefighter, an engineer, and numerous others. We could live next door to them and not know it. I see firearms for sale on FB Yard Sale and this guy could have walked right up to that seller's house, and bought what they were selling, and that seller would have never known the evil that they'd had inside their home, until they saw the news this morning. It's scary. (When I have bought anything off of FBYS or CL I meet in a public place or take others, plural, with me.)

 

[Foxfire]

http://www.wftv.com/news/local/ofd-...-to-59-names-of-6-victims-released-/337929937


UPDATE 5 p.m.

The Orlando Fire Department said the death toll in the downtown Orlando nightclub mass shooting has risen to 59.

Raw: Gov. Scott 'This is an act of terrorism' (updated 3:00 p.m.)
However, the Orlando Police Department is still saying the death toll is 50, contrary to what the fire department has released.

 

[CARIIS]

I'm not so sure about that. I read elsewhere that this club pats down people for weapons before they are aloud in.

I wonder if the killer used the fact that the club patrons would be unarmed in choosing his target. JMO

I do not think that is accurate- just emailed Justin who goes there will post his response.

CNN when cops got in they yelled out is anyone alive ??

 

[bestill]

I just broke down and cried for his Mom. I am afraid her son isn't coming out alive. She would have heard from him by now if he was still living.

He could be in critical condition and not able to communicate. Hoping for the best for them.

 

[bluesneakers]

Yes ma'am. Today it is. Tomorrow it may be something else is all I'm trying to say. I'm not denying isis. I'm just saying hate fuels all this.

One of the scariest things about this tragedy is we actually have to stop and ask ourselves "Who?"

 

[bluesneakers]

:hug: CARIIS

 

[Treelights]

I agree, his religious stuff may have had some influence on how he feels / thinks about homosexuality, but I think ISIS stuff is second to pure homophobia(the driving up to Orlando to a popular gay bar IMO is telling- if he wanted to be a terrorist there are closer big places - why did he drive and go to PUlse- has to mean somehting IMO) as motivator.

Second I think mental health will come in picture mooo

When he called 911, he mentioned his name, ISIS and the Boston Bomber brothers....

That doesn't seem like ISIS is second and homophobia first, in my opinion...Seems the Other way around, IMOO.

 

[CARIIS]

Yep & I'll now add reporters to the list. They are all over the tv filling airtime with assumptions, their personal opinions, asking the same old "So tell me, what was it like?" nonsense.

Agree, makes me want to vomit , in any story when media asks "tell me how your feeling?" What a moronic question- there is not a whole lot of variations on how someone feels in these events.

Same thing with describe Johnny for us : What they gonna say he was a son of a b$tch, rude hated him --- dumb question moo

 

[CARIIS]

Bolded means he can't/couldn't act on it. Listen, he beat his wife-- he hated women anyway. ( physically demoralized). A man hitting/weakening a physically weaker sex has a disposition that is beyond the defensive, but you're the Doc. :wink

I am just hung up on the drive up here , that has to be a component to this -- do you agree??

Granted there is one bar where he lives, but if he wanted to be ISIS, it near places (movie theatre) where on a Sat night you could be terrorist, why the drive up here , to a gay bar???

 

[Deleted member 39678]

They are still a force to be reckoned with. One snake's head may get chopped off but another head grows back. Our government has been saying they are contained for a long time but they have shown they aren't and have killed thousands of people...many of them Christians.

I believe the Isis is taking credit for it because they have been calling for lone wolf terrorist attacks to be done during the month of Ramadan.

I believe they also said it wasn't necessary to have contact with them directly and to carry out the attack on their own. I guess this way security agencies cant pick up the chatter.

So I imagine he did as the ISIS terrorist leader was asking to do.

I just read an article this afternoon that said this man's father supports the Taliban. I wonder if he has ever made it on our terror watch list?

I think that ISIS will continue to encourage attacks like this one because they are very difficult for our intelligence and LE agency's to detect and therefore prevent them in advance.

This is not the last of these massacres. This is only the continuation of 9/11, Boston and San Bernadino. JMO

 

[makista]

Muslim Leaders Condemn Shooting -- CNN http://www.cnn.com/

[video]http://pmd.cdn.turner.com/cnn/big//us/2016/06/12/orlando-shootings-muslim-leader.cnn_cnn_iphone_cell.mp4[/video]

 

[CARIIS]

Long read, but an interesting article on G4S, the security firm that employed the shooter.

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/business/2014/04/g4s-global-security-company





I'm guessing that the Florida offices were nowhere near the top of the concerns list for his employer.

Jeezz its not like these people did not have the money to do a real background check . I found it creepy that he worked at a court house could just me .