FL - Mass Shooting at Pulse nightclub, Orlando, 12 June 2016 #1

[dotr]

https://www.google.ca/search?q=gay+...hUDU1IKHavDDacQ_AUIBygC#imgrc=xydKUSycsRMR-M:

 

[CARIIS]

What a sad, sad day. The deadliest shooting in US history and it happens to be an attack against the LGBT community. Combined with the thwarted attack on Gay Pride in LA, my feelings are really all over the place. My daughter is gay and I've attended many LGBT events over the years. I'm a very strong supporter of gay rights and am afraid this is the beginning of a larger targeting of the community by terrorists.

I feel like I have so much to say, but can't find the right words...

AM with you -- live here

 

[HMSHood]

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-sanpaku.htm

Examples of sanpaku eyes.

Casey Anthony

Lori Drew

Elliot Rodger

James Holmes

Adam Lanza

All of them have some deep seated resentment issues like Omar Mateen.

 

[CARIIS]

Getting flooded --- we all try to keep each other up to date. There was something gay related in California per MSNBC will try to find out - help!!

 

[ClaireNC]

CNN: Statement from ISIS is emerging...

Fox reporting Islamic State Claims Responsibility For Orlando Nightclub Shooting

 

[katydid23]

Getting flooded --- we all try to keep each other up to date. There was something gay related in California per MSNBC will try to find out - help!!

There was a motorist pulled over in Los Angeles, with Indiana plates. He had an entire arsenal in his trunk and pipe bomb ingredients. He was headed to the gay pride event in West Hollywood.

 

[x_files]

I went to gay clubs all the time in my youth and I am not gay. Gay clubs are very inclusive!!

Prayers to all the victims, their families, and to those that witnessed this event. I cannot even imagine the pain they are experiencing today, and the time it will take for them to heal from such an event.

They play the best music!

 

[CARIIS]

Hate crimes and acts of terrorism can overlap. Legally, a hate crime is motivated by prejudice toward a select social group that the victim belongs to, eg, race, religion, sexual orientation. A terrorist act is premeditated, intended to cause political change, targets civilians, and traditionally required the perpetrator to be a member of a subnational group, rather than just share their beliefs.

Legalities aside, terrorist acts imply hatred and hate crimes can instill terror in members of the social group targeted.

I so agree IMO we are gonna find it was hate crime primarily, but I do not know enough about their religious beliefs are not like gay friendly, so it would be like gay stirred up a lot of stuff for him (often it is self hatred, for having desires for same sex, but early religous exposure creates intense conflict inside)

This self hatred often gets turned external, resulting in intense homophobic behaviors - projection

Well just learned about their hatred for gay folks. MSNBC Isis has thrown gay folks off buildings , killed them etc so there is congruence in the notion that ISIS is not gay friendly!!

Mix that in with possiblly his own issues and we have last night IMO

MSNBC also reports that his ex wife described his as mentally unstable .

moo

 

[Magdalyn]

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-f...=topNews&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=Social

Islamic State's Amaq news agency said on Sunday that the Islamist militant group was responsible for the shooting that killed at least 50 people in a massacre at a gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida.

 

[SurfieTX]

Fox report says at least one eye witness heard OM yell "allah akbar" during the shooting.

Thanks KZ. I had wondered about that.

 

[makista]

MSNBC

He had a domestic violence history per ex wife. She had to be rescued from him when he went off.

Same on in background, an ISIS entity claims there is a connection.

Did not get whole sentance, but it was something akin to the bar in USA that caters to homosexuals .... and then the notion that he had ties with them

I am in hate crime camp still

He has made references to Boston Marathon --- just swithced to MSNBC they IMO always do the best . In the domestic violence call it sounds like he said stuff regarding Boston

But trying to be fair and balanced (Yuk!) Hate Fox, all it is getting screamed at !

Perp needed an excuse. If it wasn't the gay club, it would have have been something else. He beat his wife for Christ-sakes. He hated a lot more than just a group of people.

 

[HMSHood]

Hate crimes and acts of terrorism can overlap. Legally, a hate crime is motivated by prejudice toward a select social group that the victim belongs to, eg, race, religion, sexual orientation. A terrorist act is premeditated, intended to cause political change, targets civilians, and traditionally required the perpetrator to be a member of a subnational group, rather than just share their beliefs.

Legalities aside, terrorist acts imply hatred and hate crimes can instill terror in members of the social group targeted.

I would think terrorism is a hate crime period. Terrorists are motivated by hate and revenge.

 

[HMSHood]

Perp needed an excuse. If it wasn't the gay club, it would have have been something else. He beat his wife for Christ-sakes. He hated a lot more than just a group of people.

Exactly. Like I said, he is most likely an injustice collectors. Injustice collectors tend to hate everyone. Anyone is a target to them.

The "Injustice Collectors": How to Understand Vester Flanagan’s Grievance-Filled Manifesto
https://newrepublic.com/article/122...ors-how-understand-vester-flanagans-manifesto

Mary Ellen O'Toole's insight into injustice collectors.

Retired FBI profiler Mary Ellen O'Toole, who is widely regarded as one of the smartest people alive on these cases, described Flanagan as such on an appearance on CNN last week. And it was an easy call—Flanagan could be the case study. O'Toole published a primer on injustice collectors in the journal Violence and Gender last year, and many of her descriptors could be lifted right out of this case: "nurses resentment ... accumulating real or imagined slights, insults or putdowns ... could not get along with his co-workers ... disproportionate and aggressive response." Collectors magnify petty "injustices" and perceive them as intentional and purposeful. Over time, he forms a worldview of himself as victimized, bullied, discriminated and disrespected.

How does this lead to murder? The angriest collectors lash out in erratic and disproportionate ways. But they almost never kill out of the blue. One of the most notorious killings of this type was the Bath, Michigan massacre in 1927. Long before the big crime, Andrew Kehoe left a searing trail of fierce retaliation for petty offenses. He killed a family friend's dog, telling her it barked too much. He beat his own horse to death for laziness. He fought with co-workers, lost his job, lost re-election and was losing his house and farm. Then he set about his revenge. He spent months wiring the school basement with hundreds of pounds of dynamite. On May 18, he murdered his wife, who had been burdening him with tuberculosis treatment, and firebombed his farm, burning two trapped horses to death. Then he detonated the school. Forty-five people died, including 38 kids. At least 58 were injured. Though widely forgotten, because it did not breed copycats, it remains the worst school massacre in American history.

They are at heart haters.
Don't believe them. Injustice collectors hate everyone, and that's not what we mean by a "hate crime." That term is for perpetrators targeting a specific group or class. Collectors like Flanagan are usually lashing out at all of us. Most are targeting no one, even the unlucky victims they kill to even the score with the human race. "The goal of someone who hates another person or group is to destroy them," O'Toole said. "The hater turns people into objects. They are no longer human and easier to kill."

O'Toole made an interesting distinction between transient emotions and the endurance of hate. Anger and even rage are temporary feelings. Rage may drive you to the urge to kill, but if you come down from the brink, the feeling will pass. "Hatred is a constant emotion, which is why it is so hard to 'rehabilitate' a hater," she said.

 

[Tricia]

I so agree IMO we are gonna find it was hate crime primarily, but I do not know enough about it , but kinda feel like there religious beliefs are not like gay friendly, so it would be like gay stirred up a lot of stuff for him (often it is self hatred, for having desires for same sex, but early religous exposure creates intense conflict inside)

This self hatred often gets turned external, resulting in intense homophobic behaviors - projection

moo

Would it surprise anyone of the suspect had homosexual tendencies?

 

[kimi_SFC]

Our entire world changed 9/11/01.


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ITA, that's why I said it feel it's shifted on its axis, yet again. I'm having difficulty finding the right words, I guess.




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[makista]

Would it surprise anyone of the suspect had homosexual tendencies?

That sounds about right. ( seriously)

 

[CARIIS]

I suppose we could actually say homophobia and terrorism have a lot in common , now couldnt we?

 

[HMSHood]

Would it surprise anyone of the suspect had homosexual tendencies?

Nothing surprises me. Seen this kind before with the likes of John Wayne Gacy, Anders Breivik, Mohamed Atta, Lori Drew, Gertrude Baniszewski, and Laurie Tackett.

I agree with The Bard. A mob mentality can develop, even with as few as two people, and especially with three or more. I haven't studied this as Miss R. has, but I have looked at certain cases. It seems the everyday inhibitions we all carry around can somehow get short-circuited in a group (mob) situation.

The other issue windfall brought up was whether cases like this where a woman was the 'ring-leader,' so to speak, in a brutal attack on another woman. They are not that common, but they exist. For example:

In 1965, Sylvia Likens, a 16-year-old girl, was murdered over several weeks by a group led by a 35-year-old mother of seven children named Gertrude Baniszewski. Sylvia and her younger sister Jenny, a polio victim, had been left in Gertrude's care as their parents made the carny circuit. Several of Gertrude's own children (including 3 girls) and several neighbor boys joined in the torture and abuse, that led eventually to Sylvia's death.

Karla Homolka clearly 'enjoyed' and participated in the sexual assault and murder of several girls and women over several years with husband Paul Bernardo. (1991-92)

Janet Chandler's gang-rape and murder were facilitated by and participated in by Laurie Swank, her supposed 'friend' and roommate. (1979)

Lori Drew, a Missouri housewife, led a group of young women/girls (including her own daughter) to tease and torment Megan Meier online (on MySpace) by first convincing her (Megan) that a cute young boy was interested in her, and then abruptly ending the 'relationship' by having a bunch of myspace 'friends' join in the taunting, resulting in Meier's suicide. (1996)

In all of the above cases, there was both the element of 'mob mentality' as well as a woman playing a leading or prominent role in the physical (or psychological, in the case of Drew) assault.

One would hope someone is studying these phenomena. In my layperson's mind, it is probably related to deep-seated sexual shame in the perpetrator. It does seem the most evil thing in the world.

http://perugiamurderfile.org/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=192&start=150

This person thinks people like Lori Drew, Gertrude Baniszewski, and Laurie Swank are severely repressed people, especially sexually repressed. This suggests that they were probably target of childhood abuse.

 

[KAE]

Would it surprise anyone of the suspect had homosexual tendencies?

Or possibly sexually abused as a child.

 

[ClaireNC]

Would it surprise anyone of the suspect had homosexual tendencies?

My thought exactly...filled with hatred for himself.