FL - Mass Shooting at Pulse nightclub, Orlando, 12 June 2016 #2

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  • #321
Just heard Ron Johnson of Wisconsin interviewed on FNC. The best summation of cases like these I've ever heard: "What do we do about people who are not guilty yet?"

I just seriously don't understand why associating with anyone who has ties to terroristic gangs, or sympathizing with them isn't a crime. This goes for Isis/bloods/crips/kkk.
 
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I just seriously don't understand why associating with anyone who has ties to terroristic gangs, or sympathizing with them isn't a crime. This goes for Isis/bloods/crips/kkk.

Sympathizing with a group should be a crime? That's one slippery slope.
 
  • #324
There should be another one in there somewhere. You also said that many go to the bars and then return home to a spouse and kid. I just was implying, that the reason it is taking so long to identify the victims is a few fake names are in the picture, here. :wink ( and yes, I'll post the link)

http://www.wftv.com/news/local/name...in-orlando-nightclub-mass-shooting-/337929937

Hall said many people are having trouble locating victims because they are being listed under fake names.

This article says his friend they interviewed said the shooter was shy. He doesn't appear shy from any of the photos I have seen. He appears arrogant.
 
  • #325
Um, you may have decided he is an Islamic terrorist. Was Timothy McVeigh a Christian terrorist?

Refresh my memory, did Timothy Mcveigh leave letters/tell people that he carried out his crime due to a radicalized view of Christianity?
 
  • #326
Sympathizing with a group should be a crime? That's one slippery slope.

IMO sympathizing with a group who advocates murder and violence and actually acts on those things and has a proven record of murder should be a crime.
 
  • #327
Um, you may have decided he is an Islamic terrorist. Was Timothy McVeigh a Christian terrorist?

Well, no. I didn't decide he was an Islamic terrorist. I'm going by what he himself said. And what the FBI said. And what the evidence tells us. Omar Mateen was an Islamic terrorist.
 
  • #328
Um, you may have decided he is an Islamic terrorist. Was Timothy McVeigh a Christian terrorist?

What was Timothy McVeigh motivated by?
 
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IMO sympathizing with a group who advocates murder and violence and actually acts on those things and has a proven record of murder should be a crime.

So your plan is to arrest and imprison people for their thoughts?
 
  • #331
We are insane to continue to ignore this problem

With respect, sounds like the things we ignore like mental illness, domestic violence, free use and purchase of assault weapons, and radical beliefs are all intertwined to make these situations likely to continue.
 
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Exclusive: Former coworker said Mateen ‘unhinged and unstable’

http://www.tcpalm.com/news/crime/st...08-fbda-604f-e053-0100007fe777-382624281.html

Mateen was on an FBI list of suspected ISIS sympathizers and was looked into by federal authorities once in 2013 and again in 2014. He was the subject of a brief FBI investigation in 2014 before the case was closed.

"The FBI first became aware of Mateen in 2013, when he made threats to coworkers, including possible ties to terrorist activities," an FBI spokesman said in a press conference on Sunday.

"In 2014, Mateen again came to the attention to the FBI because of possible ties to an Amerian suicide bomber, Moner Abusalha. The FBI interviewed Mateen and determined that contact was minimal, and did not constitute a substantive threat at the time."

http://www.businessinsider.com/omar-mateen-orlando-nightclub-shooting-pulse-2016-6

All of this and he still had a job in SECURITY??? WTH
PC above all else, even if it kills you.
MOO
 
  • #335
IMO sympathizing with a group who advocates murder and violence and actually acts on those things and has a proven record of murder should be a crime.

I think your key word is actually acts~~LE pretty much has their hands tied. Unfortunately, until they act we cannot do anything lest we become like Hitler. During WW II, if you were even thought to be a Jewish sympathizer, you were put into a concentration camp. I think that is why JJenny said it was a slippery slope. There is a fine line between sympathizing and acting.
 
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IMO sympathizing with a group who advocates murder and violence and actually acts on those things and has a proven record of murder should be a crime.

Isn't that what they did with the bikers in Waco? They arrested them all and charged all of them with engaging in organized criminal activity.
 
  • #338
I dont think its about not wanting to believe him, it is about location.

It's no coincidence that the attack took place where it did and when it did," Grayson said. "It might be that we've seen the commission of an awful hate crime."

The Joker went to a movie theatre where Batman was playing

Elliot went up and down the street where everyone was having fun and with b/g friends

Roof went to a black church

Planned parenthood guy went to a clinic

disgruntled employ go to their workplace

Dude went to where congressman was speaking

Columbine went to their source of rejection

The guy who had issues with Military went to recruitment offices

Fort Hood Dr had issues with how the base was doing thing

The drive up here has to have some sigfigance IMO

Does anyone know if the two men kissing were "kissing" in Orlando, or in bar here, or where from here -you know what I mean.

Answered my question!

A law enforcement official told NBC News there is no indication that Omar Mateen was in touch with terrorists overseas and nothing to indicate this was a directed attack. Also, several officials say, there's no sign that anyone else was involved in the attack, either in helping Mateen or egging him on.
The father said his son got angry when he saw two men kissing in Miami a couple of months ago and thought that might be related to the shooting.

I had not heard this number - 11 LE folks stormed the building

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/or...gency-services-respond-reports-gunman-n590446


I would call this 'killing two birds with one stone'. or if he was secretly gay and had been spurned by his interest, maybe he killed 3 birds with that stone.
MOO
 
  • #339
RSBM


Euhrrr.... what? and what sect?

Sharia, Islamic sharia or Islamic law (Arabic: شريعة‎‎ (IPA: [ʃaˈriːʕa]) for law) is the religious legal system governing the members of the Islamic faith.It is derived from the religious precepts of Islam, particularly the Quran and the Hadith. The term sharia comes from the Arabic language term sharīʿah, which means a body of moral and religious law derived from religious prophecy, as opposed to human legislation. (Wikipedia)

Extreme prejudice remains, both socially and legally, in much of the Islamic world against people who engage in homosexual acts. In Afghanistan, Brunei, Iran, Mauritania, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, United Arab Emirates and Yemen, homosexual activity carries the death penalty.
In others, such as Algeria, Maldives, Malaysia, Qatar, Somalia and Syria, it is illegal.
Same-sex sexual intercourse is legal in 20 Muslim-majority nations (Albania, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Burkina Faso, Chad, Djibouti, Guinea-Bissau, Lebanon, Iraq, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kosovo, Kyrgyzstan, Mali, Niger, Tajikistan, Turkey, West Bank (State of Palestine), and most of Indonesia (except in Aceh and South Sumatra provinces, where bylaws against LGBT rights have been passed), as well as Northern Cyprus)

There are several methods by which sharia jurists have advocated the punishment of gays or lesbians who are sexually active. One form of execution involves an individual convicted of homosexual acts being stoned to death by a crowd of Muslims. Other Muslim jurists have established ijma ruling that those committing homosexual acts be thrown from rooftops or high places, and this is the perspective of most Salafists.

(Wikipedia)

At least the US seems to be moving ahead, although there are pastors and minsters in the US that preach of death to homosexuals. The links have been on here earlier.

The recent bathroom hoopla brought out plenty of comments from citizens and politicians as well. I think we still have laws re sodomy in some states?
 
  • #340
Isn't that what they did with the bikers in Waco? They arrested them all and charged all of them with engaging in organized criminal activity.

You mean, they arrested the surviving ones that were on the shootout scene? If a biker was sitting at home just sympathizing, did they arrest that one?
 
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