FL - Mass Shooting at Pulse Nightclub, Orlando 12 June 2016 #3

[dotr]

moo

The only thing he was "canvassing" was men!

Wonder if he was not only " canvassing " but perhaps he was also a hookah?
pun intended.
imo

 

[Magdalyn]

In the aftermath the word scoping goes to evil plot but beforehand scoping out men.

So you believe she's telling FBI she drove her husband to 'scope out' men? And she tried to 'talk him out of' scoping out men? And thus, they are considering bringing charges against her for not reporting him scoping out men?

ABC and NBC report that Omar Mateen's current wife, Noor Salman, told FBI she tried to talk her husband out of Sunday's gay club shooting in Orlando. NBC also reports Noor revealed that she drove him to the club once to scope it out.

http://www.wxii12.com/news/dozens-dead-in-orlando-nightclub-shooting/40018484

 

[CARIIS]

A bit lost. Media floating around this whole thing about him telling his wife his plans.

She lives with him. The notion , in all these stories, that someone "snaps" are basically inaccurate. People suffering with mental illiness, have limited coping skills.

In a very crude manner, if you view a mentally ill person being a vice, and life stressers are slowly making the vice tighter, what we have found is that the , for lack of a better word, hitting "overwhelmed" mode occurs quicker than in those not mentally ill.

Just my sense, as far as the wife goes, she knows he has issues. She has (MOO) watched him decomp (that is what we call it)-- it is a slow "decline".

Quick to agiate, sleeping becomes more problematic,a whole host of things happen to a mentally ill individual, who is decomping.

I think the wives warnings about not to do "anything" might be more related to being aware that he is having increasing difficulties, his behaviors and thinking have become more erratic.

It would be interesting to find out if he has missed work in the last three weeks or so.

To me the second FBI invovment reeked of little man syndrome. If we look at him , he looks muslim. FBI got involved with him the second time cause he boasted that he knew the Boston Bombers. Back then someone who looks like him, who is declaring he knows them would probably trigger exactly what happened.

If I decide I want to make a pizza, I go to the store and buy what I need to get.

This media angle of all this "planning" , in this tradegy (compared to lets say Paris) requires driving to a gun store, buying some guns insteads of pizza crust.

Purchasing some guns is indicative of , imo, crossing the line of no return, but it does not imply this amazing "planning" deal. He handed someone his credit card.

Compare to Paris -the differences are very clear.

Media is making this way to terroristy IMO.

Maybe, the event in Miami with the men kissing , triggered an onset of a cascade of issues he has been battling with for a long time.

Gay days are wildly festive, and GAY! Wildly! If he is already in his downward spiral, and having increasing problems with his sexuality - seeing thousands upon thousands of gay men celebrating their sexuality without angst, can certainly excaberate his self loathing regarding his sexual desires.

Clinically, it all fits, for a person struggling with these issues.

It is kind of like shaking a can of Pepsi, for a long peroid of time - finally it cracks. But it is not instant, in most instances - it is a slow buildup of very negative feeling states - much like suicide.

Very rarely is sucide a impulsive "act" --it is sucumbing for lack of a better word.

History clearly indicates that his impulse control issues. History indicates he has anger management issues. History clearly indicates he has had unfulfilled dreams (cop). Failed marriages. His last job he was unarmed. That is going backwards (armed vs unarmed security guard as it relates to wanting to be a "real" cop). He drinks.

In reality this kind of stuff is like the formation of a hurricane - you do need a lot of variables for the hurricane to develop.

IMO, interestingly he did not strike me as suicidal. He did seek shelter via hostages. He talked to LE. He appeared to be wanting to find a way to get out of it alive.

He certainly was not a terrorist sucide bomber was he? He was the total opposite in terms of dying for his passionate cause. He ran , then hid, then talked to cops for hours.

Hard core terrorists tend to activate their vests and be done with it all.

Passinate terrorist "events" generally are quick boom killed some people that one thinks ought to be dead.

IMo, so much of this tradegy points to a mentally ill, homophobic,drunk man with rage that has been identical to a volcano ....and erupted.

Add up the whole picture we have at this moment terrorism is a media creation imo.................................

Nothing more.......

moo

 

[Elley Mae]

Omar Mateen's wife, Noor Zahi Salman, told the FBI she was with him when he bought ammunition and a holster, several officials familiar with the case said. She told the FBI that she once drove him to the gay nightclub, Pulse, because he wanted to scope it out.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/or...ife-tried-talk-him-out-orlando-attack-n592051

 

[Magdalyn]

I cannot remember now. Did the wife know he purchased guns?

Aren't those guns quite expensive?

How did he afford all the things he had and did on $1600/month? I wonder if the wife had any money?

She knew.

http://nation.foxnews.com/2016/06/1...ew-deadly-plans-could-be-arrested-source-says

Salman said Mateen shared his plans with her to carry out an attack and Mateen may have even called her from the gay club Pulse during the slaughter, the source said. Salman also confirmed details of Mateen's gun purchases prior to the assault.

 

[Jax49]

Just saw survivor Patience's statement on CNN. Amazing...

"The guilt of being alive is heavy."

 

[tehcloser]

There is not one part of me that thinks this evil man was mentally ill. I think he was a weak, evil little man, who took the cowards way out. He grabbed on to isis at the end to make him look better. I'm so glad isis has latched on to this looser. It makes them look as small and weak as he was. Desperate even.

 

[Bravo]

Just saw survivor Patience's statement on CNN. Amazing...

"The guilt of being alive is heavy."

Wasn't it. I just caught it in it's entirety. Just to add I feel of course for all Victims and Survivors of these horrors. Sanjay Gupta and Anderson just brought up a point I had not thought of. Most of these types of crimes are over in a matter of minutes. This was hours. The psychological trauma will be huge. I wish them all well and have no doubt with the out pouring of support they will do well. I pray they all do.

 

[skinnycat]

In trying to keep up and not doing a very good job, I'm wondering if I have missed the pictures of OM's vehicle being seized by law enforcement. With OM living such a distance from the club he must have drove. I had read on MSN that his wife dropped him off, but it doesn't say if it was that night or not.


http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world...lk-gunman-out-of-attack/ar-AAh2rkQ?li=AAggNb9

 

[rsd1200]

Thank you. So....I'm wondering if he may have been using those dating apps as bait with plans to kill someone when he met up with them. I wonder if there are any unsolved homicides of gay men or missing gay men in the areas the shooter is affiliated with.

I wondered about the baiting but had not thought about the unsolved homicides. :thinking:

 

[Bravo]

In trying to keep up and not doing a very good job, I'm wondering if I have missed the pictures of OM's vehicle being seized by law enforcement. With OM living such a distance from the club he must have drove. I had read on MSN that his wife dropped him off, but it doesn't say if it was that night or not.

He used a rental. On that night. The wife had dropped him off at Pulse on a prior occasion. However we don't know who drove him to the rental place.

 

[LLC]

In trying to keep up and not doing a very good job, I'm wondering if I have missed the pictures of OM's vehicle being seized by law enforcement. With OM living such a distance from the club he must have drove. I had read on MSN that his wife dropped him off, but it doesn't say if it was that night or not.

He drove a rental van...she did not drive him that night.

 

[Jax49]

http://www.fox29.com/news/159145535-story

FOX 29 intern Patience Carter and another survivor of the Orlando nightclub shooting spoke publicly for the first time about their experiences during a hospital news conference.

 

[x_files]

There is not one part of me that thinks this evil man was mentally ill. I think he was a weak, evil little man, who took the cowards way out. He grabbed on to isis at the end to make him look better. I'm so glad isis has latched on to this looser. It makes them look as small and weak as he was. Desperate even.

psychopath vs mentally ill? yes, I agree this is quite possible he was a psychopath since birth.

 

[popsicle]

But Daveed Gartenstein-Ross, a counterterrorism analyst and senior fellow at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, told Business Insider that it's not all that unusual for a jihadist at Mateen's level to have conflicting sympathies for different terror groups.

Mateen's contradictory allegiances are "not only unsurprising, it's what you'd expect," he said.

http://www.businessinsider.com/james-comey-orlando-shooting-omar-mateen-fbi-2016-6

 

[human]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/w...-ignore-afghan-allies-abuse-of-boys.html?_r=0

These people are not like us. They don't want to be. Their lifestyle is totally unknown to us.
Disgusting.

The priest scandals everywhere are not quite as bad, but they have a culture too .

It is good to know that the elders did not agree with it so it is not a cultural thing as the Marine higher ups tried to say.

No wonder the Middle East is such a mess. So many damaged people

 

[sonjay]

Well, how about Brock Turner and all of the people supporting him. How about all of the questions the victim was asked? Almost the same.

Not hardly "almost the same." Not even close.

The US legal system convicted the rapist, but a judge failed to take it seriously enough and sentenced the rapist to an exceedingly light sentence.

The UAE legal system gave the victim a year suspended sentence and "detained" her for months, for the offense of being raped.

I don't know in what alternative universe those two outcomes could be considered "almost the same." Certainly not the universe I occupy.

 

[sonjay]

Sorry, last OT, I promise.

[video=twitter;742774363145932800]https://twitter.com/AmarilloPD/status/742774363145932800[/video]

Is there a thread for this?

I'm glad they shot him.

 

[margarita25]

Hey CARIIS. Hoping today is a better day for you. I am cleaning and preparing for company coming for dinner tonight. Prime Rib on the barby. Feeling the need for some happy today and surrounding myself with some wonderful friends. A day to count my blessings. I just dont get hatred. I don't hate anybody. I just hate what some people choose to do. A horrific act this was.

On the day that this shooting happened, I was of course watching the news, crying, reading here...my friends, a lesbian couple, invited me on what was a beautiful day to go hiking. I told them I was sorry about the attack on their community and expressed my sadness. Brilliantly stated, one of them said "We will not let evil stop us from living and loving." (It was kind of ironic, me crying, them comforting me...while this was an attack on all people, I was like wait a minute, you're the lesbians here, shouldn't I be comforting you? Lol.)

I doubt all victims were gay...I went to a gay bar for a theme night with some friends not too long ago.

 

[CARIIS]

Lost it. I am ok with doing so, know it is what I need to do for myself.

Medical Examiner, one of the hardest things for them was to hear all these endless cell phones ringing on the bodies in morgue................

Devastating