FL - Mass Shooting at Pulse Nightclub, Orlando 12 June 2016 #3

[passionflower]

Our flag at half mask is so sad in our nation's FLAG DAY!

 

[sonjay]

There are over 100 radical mosques in the U.S. How do we know the one he went to was not one of these? We have one not too far from where we live and it makes me very uneasy that it is just being "watched" but nothing can be done about it!

Talking points by conservative media outlets, that have been debunked, are really not helpful... http://mediamatters.org/research/2011/03/09/expert-calls-claim-that-85-percent-of-mosques-a/177395

USAToday tells me there were about 2,100 in 2010. There's probably a lot more than that by now.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/religion/story/2012-02-29/islamic-worship-growth-us/53298792/1

Your own Media Matters link tells me that about 20-30% of mosques in the US are radical.

That would be aroud 420 to 630.

The debunking you speak of debunked a different claim, but Dolly's original post actually underestimates the number of radical mosques by orders of magnitude.

 

[bluesneakers]

The gun ---it folds in half

Some may not to watch the commericial for it - kinda repulsive

https://www.ispot.tv/ad/7iuA/sig-sauer-mcx-new-era

Ugh.

Is Blackwater their target market?

(No pun intended.)

 

[CARIIS]

Uh-huh. It was just standing ajar. :waiting:

Go back and watch it. You will see (after the first blur out) later in the piece when they are doing a wide shot of the living room .......................hold on ...............................wait for it.....................whatever staff member was with the camera man is in the shot, and they blur it so you cant see who it is!!

Guess reporters do not want a breaking and entering charge!!

On another angle I am glad they did it --- I found the home very intersting..

 

[bluesneakers]

Radical Islam.....If OM was really radical, one would think he would have made a gun purchase closer to his travels to Saudi Arabia say by two to three years ago.

Right, wouldn't he have been stocking up? Look how the couple in San Bernardino was outfitted and they'd been gathering for a long time. Maybe he planned this quickly, or maybe he planned to do something later but couldn't wait that long. JMO speculation.

 

[CARIIS]

OT: gregjrichards, thank you so much for also being a supporter of banning the Yulin Dog and Cat eating Festival. I am also a big opponent. :loveyou:

I trust ya Greg!! Was ready to click, then I reread it and thought I do not want to know one thing about what this sounds like it might be!!

I shall remain naive!!!!

 

[Everyday Grace]

The owner of Pulse, speaking through a representative, denied reports that Mateen had been a regular patron of the nightclub.

"Untrue and totally ridiculous," Sara Brady, a spokeswoman for club owner Barbara Poma, said in an e-mail when asked about the claim.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0Z017C

 

[CARIIS]

Right, wouldn't he have been stocking up? Look how the couple in San Bernardino was outfitted and they'd been gathering for a long time. Maybe he planned this quickly, or maybe he planned to do something later but couldn't wait that long. JMO speculation.

I just dont get the notion of this needing "planning". He bought the guns, so we know he came to the decision to go further. But it seems as if after that it was just a drive, go inside to get blasted (pardon word choice) and walk to his van and into the history books..................

You know how media outlets make a graphic for major stories. Its very strange , when I see "Orlando Massacre"/"Murder in Orlando" "Orlando Terror" etc . Its kinda like still in some sort of disbelief that this happened so close.

I ordered the cord today, and hope I can get you the pics from yesterday soon



!

 

[Magdalyn]

Radical Islam.....If OM was really radical, one would think he would have made a gun purchase closer to his travels to Saudi Arabia say by two to three years ago.

Two or three years ago he was busy being investigated by the FBI.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na...-omar-mateen-in-the-1465761108-htmlstory.html

 

[bluesneakers]

I just dont get the notion of this needing "planning". He bought the guns, so we know he came to the decision to go further. But it seems as if after that it was just a drive, go inside to get blasted (pardon word choice) and walk to his van and into the history books..................

You know how media outlets make a graphic for major stories. Its very strange , when I see "Orlando Massacre"/"Murder in Orlando" "Orlando Terror" etc . Its kinda like still in some sort of disbelief that this happened so close.

I ordered the cord today, and hope I can get you the pics from yesterday soon

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I just don't get start to finish in two weeks.

But I don't get it at all so who knows.

 

[rsd1200]

http://bmkllp.com/newsletters/immigration/loss-of-citizenship-for-u-s-born-citizens/

True dat, but due process must still occur.

http://bmkllp.com/newsletters/immigration/loss-of-citizenship-for-u-s-born-citizens/

Belief in a religion (repugnant to others, or not), is not an expatriative act.

If one's religious beliefs motivates one to commit a potentially expatriative act, it is the specific action of that individual, not their choice of religion, that is the offense.

No legal basis exists to strip citizenship from anyone based solely upon the religion they choose to believe in.

That's all I'm sayin'.

Agree to disagree with anyone on whether that's a good thing or a bad thing.

God bless the First Amendment.

I am in agreement w/you. It's our Constitutional rights and such. We can join the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster if we so choose. However, I do think that if people are traveling to specific areas of specific countries, there's nothing wrong in monitoring those people. No matter who they are. Leaving the U.S., to train with, or fight with ISIS, to me, would be the same as treason, and should be punished as such.

 

[CARIIS]

Radical Islam.....If OM was really radical, one would think he would have made a gun purchase closer to his travels to Saudi Arabia say by two to three years ago.

Am so with you I just do not get "really" radical . Sure is there a component of upbringing in this - it is in anything and everything.

Being a self hating homphobic is not like IMO, a mutually exclusive entity. Its just the order of "influences" I think we are trying to establish/understand.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

It is incomprehensible to me to know many of these middle eastern pedophiles are the very ones who believes homosexuals deserved to be murdered. Yet this goes on everyday and no one stops them. They are the ones who should burn in hell and are the epitome of evil.

It is also unbelievable that anyone in our military would be told to look the other way as they see children raped/beaten before their very eyes. What about courage, honor? How do they expect them to serve honorably but allow this to happen? Have we become so politically correct it now covers heinous cover ups for pedophile sex crimes which are diminished as if the child victims mean nothing? To expect our military to say nothing or do nothing is morally corrupt itself and anyone demanding they look the other way to such brutalization is also morally flawed/decayed.

Instead of being discharged, anyone who stops a rape/beating of an innocent victim from happening should be given a medal of honor instead. These Commanders from these middle eastern countries are allowed to do whatever they want to and to whom they want to. Yet our military sheds blood, guts, and tears trying to bring a better life to all who have suffered under Islamic terrorists especially young innocent boys and girls.

Sometimes I truly think some in our country have gone mad where terrible wrongs are seen as right and right is seen as wrong. How in the hell did we get this far down in the cesspool?

I am so glad due to the outcry of the American people's total support of Sgt. Charles Martland the Army backed off from ousting him. Anyone with an ounce of morals and decency would have done the same thing.

Charles Martland had picked up the support of several people, including Rep. Duncan Hunter. He also happens to be a former Marine and was in both the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. He feels like Martland now has a future in the Army. After the decision about Martland came down, Hunter shared his thoughts:

“This is the absolute right decision and I commend the Army for showing true leadership. Charles did what anyone in a similar situation should do, he stood up for a defenseless child. That should never put his career in jeopardy.”

I hope now this is all out in the open more and more of our military will not be afraid to do what is just and right for the abused children.

http://americanactionnews.com/artic...-to-public-pressure-to-reinstate-sgt-martland

I have no words, except sadness. Horrifying to read that.

 

[perfectingpink]

I am in agreement w/you. It's our Constitutional rights and such. We can join the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster if we so choose. However, I do think that if people are traveling to specific areas of specific countries, there's nothing wrong in monitoring those people. No matter who they are. Leaving the U.S., to train with, or fight with ISIS, to me, would be the same as treason, and should be punished as such.

:laughing: Thank you, I needed that!

 

[tehcloser]

USAToday tells me there were about 2,100 in 2010. There's probably a lot more than that by now.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/religion/story/2012-02-29/islamic-worship-growth-us/53298792/1

Your own Media Matters link tells me that about 20-30% of mosques in the US are radical.

That would be aroud 420 to 630.

The debunking you speak of debunked a different claim, but Dolly's original post actually underestimates the number of radical mosques by orders of magnitude.

The disagreement was with the RADICAL mosques. Of course the number of mosques in general would be higher. RaDICAL, key word.

 

[barcode]

I just don't get start to finish in two weeks.

But I don't get it at all so who knows.

What happened I do not think was his plan, it escalated/morphed into something else after initial confrontation with officer, I wish I knew more like positions of officer and OM other than a cheesy USA today reenactment video it is still hard to say how the encounter went. I believe he never had an intent to go back in with hostages.

 

[popsicle]

Fox News ‏@FoxNews 34m34 minutes ago
Catherine Herridge: “#FoxNews has independently confirmed that...Omar Mateen was checking out his Facebook page during the massacre.”

 

[CARIIS]

Anderson has had a very difficult night tonight

On a silly note do not like Lemmons haircut at all !!

 

[CSIDreamer]

I just don't get start to finish in two weeks.

But I don't get it at all so who knows.

Wasn't he casing places in April? I'm like a lot of others. I wonder where the $$ was coming from. Maybe he was waiting on the $$ for the guns or something?

 

[SweetT]

Radical Islam.....If OM was really radical, one would think he would have made a gun purchase closer to his travels to Saudi Arabia say by two to three years ago.

Why is that? Just curious...Wouldn't that have been a big red flag? Plus I'm sure once in Saudi any training he got or did they would have supplied him with a weapon if needed.