FL - Mass Shooting at Pulse Nightclub, Orlando 12 June 2016 #4

[Nancee Drue]

CNN states the wife was texting Killer during his rampage.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/16/us/orlando-shooter-omar-mateen/



If this was already posted....sorry.

 

[Elley Mae]

Maybe they should have a database for that like the no-fly list, NamUs, and the CODIS/AFIS?? The one gun store thought he was creepy, so why didn't the one who sold to him pick up on it???

The one gun store that thought he was off and refused to sell to him was the store where he tried to buy the bullet proof vest and large amounts of ammo.


The other store is were he made two separate purchases to buy the pistol and long gun. He had the the proper papers/licenses and help two separate weapons permits Evidently he didn't act off then. jmo idk

It is not the gun store owners fault. And it would be up to the government to share the list "no fly" with the gun stores, not the other way around. And we know they are not in the sharing mood.

 

[popsicle]

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[Paige SC]

Maybe they should have a database for that like the no-fly list, NamUs, and the CODIS/AFIS?? The one gun store thought he was creepy, so why didn't the one who sold to him pick up on it???

The first shop owner reported a muslim with suspicious, creepy behavior.‎
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The second shop owner might not have recognized the behavior as suspicious. That tends to happen when we are conditioned to believe we are all racist, homophobic, misogynist *islamophobes for having an interest in our own well being and safety. He may not have wanted to be labeled an (insert word of choice here) for reporting odd behavior, which isn't a crime, btw. No way to know. One person sees a terrorist, the next person sees a victim or a 'lone wolf' odd ball. The lone wolf excusers eventually get to a point where they can't recognize a threat at all. Jihadis all around killing and raping and they blame the victim or find any reason they can to excuse the behavior of the terrorist. Or, my personal favorite: they minimize the situation by making ridiculous comparisons between arab terrorists and polygamous pedophiles. Possibilities here are endless.

One thing is certain, the first shop owner got it right. ‎
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[Everyday Grace]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...rlando-12-June-2016-4&p=12634755#post12634755

First post in this thread.

Just sayin'.

 

[popsicle]

The first shop owner reported a muslim with suspicious, creepy behavior.‎
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The second shop owner might not have recognized the behavior as suspicious. That tends to happen when we are conditioned to believe we are all racist, homophobic, misogynist *islamophobes for having an interest in our own well being and safety. He may not have wanted to be labeled an (insert word of choice here) for reporting odd behavior, which isn't a crime, btw. No way to know. One person sees a terrorist, the next person sees a victim or a 'lone wolf' odd ball. The lone wolf excusers eventually get to a point where they can't recognize a threat at all. Jihadis all around killing and raping and they blame the victim or find any reason they can to excuse the behavior of the terrorist. Or, my personal favorite: they minimize the situation by making ridiculous comparisons between arab terrorists and polygamous pedophiles. Possibilities here are endless.

One thing is certain, the first shop owner got it right. ‎
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It helps that he wasn't asking for better than LE grade body armor. jmo

 

[kimlynn]

Don't get why so much is being made of 'he can't be a terrorist because he doesn't know whether ISIS is Sunni or Shia and other excuses along the same vein. I'll bet there are a lot of possible terrorists out there who don't care about such fine theological parsing; all they are a bunch of disaffected hoodlums who want any excuse to destroy the West. Even when they have been literally nursed by that same West...

From an investigative standpoint it did matter as his claims made no sense (unless he was working both sides) which is why (IMO) he was determined not to be a threat.

 

[bluesneakers]

Don't get why so much is being made of 'he can't be a terrorist because he doesn't know whether ISIS is Sunni or Shia and other excuses along the same vein. I'll bet there are a lot of possible terrorists out there who don't care about such fine theological parsing; all they are a bunch of disaffected hoodlums who want any excuse to destroy the West. Even when they have been literally nursed by that same West...

They kill more people in the East and more Muslims than they do in the West. They want to destroy everything - they don't care what, who, or where. And the Orlando and San Bernardino attacks were carried out by Americans. I think it's easy to lose sight of how much they're doing around the globe.

 

[passionflower]

Do these guys ever do dry runs? Practise physically how they will conquer 100 people? Do they study and plan on line? Games? Seems so brazen. How 1 person can do so much horror and not be afraid of being caught. Martyrs? I just can't believe the evil doers out there! Deliver us from this evil.

 

[Magdalyn]

There was a good interview on the BBC the other day with a young gay Muslim man whose homophobia and self-hatred nearly led him to commit a terrorist attack in London:
http://bbc.in/1WMCkOI

BBM
I thought you were going to say suicide.

Why was his go-to internal response terrorism?

 

[kimlynn]

It seems to be extremely important in various cases to apply labels such as racist, sexist, homophobe, etc. I do wonder why there's so much resistance to labeling an Islamic terrorist an Islamic terrorist.

Whether or not he had "ties," we know that ISIS commands its followers to go out and kill infidels, whether they're acting on their own or as part of a coordinated effort. It can certainly be helpful to our national security efforts to identify those individuals who self-identify as Islamic terrorists.

I have zero doubt this was a crime of hate against the gay community. I'm also inclined to think he did act in part due to his belief of some kind of warped justice against Americans.
So both terms,hate crime and act of terrorism apply. IMO

 

[cady]

Paige....how do you suppose the first shop owner knew that he was a muslim? Because he spoke a language that shop owner thought was Arabic? How would that determine his religion? JMO

 

[bluesneakers]

I have zero doubt this was a crime of hate against the gay community. I'm also inclined to think he did act in part due to his belief of some kind of warped justice against Americans.
So both terms,hate crime and act of terrorism apply. IMO

That's what I think too. Hate and self-loathing bred more hate and circled around and bred even more hate. It wasn't just a coincidence he went to Pulse.

Who knew hate terrorist attacks were a thing?

 

[cady]

I have zero doubt this was a crime of hate against the gay community. I'm also inclined to think he did act in part due to his belief of some kind of warped justice against Americans.
So both terms,hate crime and act of terrorism apply. IMO

Agree. But I also think that he thought he could expunge his "infidelity" to Islam, for being homosexual himself, by killing gay people in the name of Islam. Sicko. He hated gay people because he hated his own homosexuality.

 

[popsicle]

The owner of Lotus Gunworks” in Jensen Beach, said Mateen, 29, was suspicious based on the questions he was asking. The owner said he notified authorities.

http://www.wftv.com/news/pulse-shoo...failed/346864831?ecmp=wftv_social_twitter_sfp

 

[kbpirate]

That's what I think too. Hate and self-loathing bred more hate and circled around and bred even more hate. It wasn't just a coincidence he went to Pulse.

Who knew hate terrorist attacks were a thing?

When you think about it all acts of terrorism are hate crimes.

They attack what they hate.

 

[bluesneakers]

I've linked to this in other ISIS terrorism threads. It's quick and well worth the read.


7 Things I Learned Reading Every Issue Of ISIS's Magazine

Sun Tzu, generally considered a reliable source on Good War Ideas, said something along the lines of, "You've got to know your enemy in order to beat him, because some dudes hate being kicked in the junk and others seem to enjoy it." The difficulty we've had defeating ISIS suggests that, maybe, we don't really understand who and what the **** they are. Everything we hear is filtered through politicians and pundits, each with their own agenda.
...

Fortunately, it turns out that finding out what ISIS wants is like finding out what a vegan eats: They'll tell you. Which is to say that ISIS has a magazine.

No, really. It's an actual glossy, full-color magazine called Dabiq, complete with feature articles and photo spreads. So, in the interest of understanding just what makes these violent lunatics tick, I read through 700-plus pages of this oddly well-put-together propaganda and learned.

 

[cady]

That's what I think too. Hate and self-loathing bred more hate and circled around and bred even more hate. It wasn't just a coincidence he went to Pulse.

Who knew hate terrorist attacks were a thing?

I think that hate IS fear. JMO

 

[bluesneakers]

When you think about it all acts of terrorism are hate crimes.

They attack what they hate.

I mean hate crime as in the definition of a hate crime - not just that they hate everyone. The bombings in Paris, for instance, weren't hate crimes the way the shooting in Orlando is. So this is a hate crime on a terrorism scale.

 

[Magdalyn]

And here is the slippery slope... to apply this, it would need to be applied across the board. Your statement would then read like this;

"this is why. It doesn't matter if ANYONE believes just a little in RELIGIOUS/POLITICAL extremism or a lot. If what their believe in any way compromises the safety of others and intends to feed fear and terror, the label needs to be applied."

This could apply to far right conservative media outlets (i.e., Fox news, *********, Rush Limbaugh...), clergy behind every church pulpit, white extremist groups, internet bloggers and posters, etc. every/anyone who propagates hate messages that have the potential to compromise the safety of others and/or incite violence.

MO ~

Lolz, no one listed on the 'left' side of the political spectrum in your examples? No mention of MSNBC? (anecdotally, OM voted D, it's public record) :fence:

ETA: Since some on the thread are curious about everything that makes up OM: http://voters.findthedata.com/d/b/Omar-Mateen