FL - Mass Shooting at Pulse Nightclub, Orlando 12 June 2016 #4

[NL007]

It seems to be extremely important in various cases to apply labels such as racist, sexist, homophobe, etc. I do wonder why there's so much resistance to labeling an Islamic terrorist an Islamic terrorist.

Whether or not he had "ties," we know that ISIS commands its followers to go out and kill infidels, whether they're acting on their own or as part of a coordinated effort. It can certainly be helpful to our national security efforts to identify those individuals who self-identify as Islamic terrorists.

BBM
Probably because it's so obvious he was a radical Islamic terrorist at this point. Everybody knows OM killed and injured over a hundred people, and that he claimed affiliation to about 21 radical Islamic groups that are actually rivals as he was murdering said people. Nobody called the Unibomber a hermit terrorist, nobody called Elliot Rodger a virgin terrorist, and nobody called Timothy McVeigh a government terrorist. Being redundant doesn't change the fact that people died. IMVHO, what we need to be focusing on is why so many American citizens are either becoming entranced by radical Islam, entitlement issues that cause them to think they can play God, or whatever else causes them to harm others. Clearly domestic terrorism is becoming much more of a threat than international terrorism. What can be done to stop domestic terrorism, period?

It concerns me too. It bothers me when a co-worker is nervous about talking to the IT guy who is from Pakistan and it bothers me when people harass Muslim women on streetcars and in front of schools, and when a grandfather is accosted while walking up the street. It bothers me when Mosques are set on fire, or vandalized, or shot at. None of that does anything to keep people safe. But you're right - fear is cheap to manufacture and it sells.

I have no sympathy for terrorists who behead people, who blow up buildings, or kill 50 people with assault rifles, but I have a great deal of sympathy for Muslims who are on the receiving end of meaningless violence, hate, and suspicion.

JMO

ITA, I couldn't have possibly said it better myself.

You would be considered a terrorist for committing an act of terror.
"Domestic terrorism" means activities with the following three characteristics:

Involve acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law;
Appear intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination. or kidnapping; and
Occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S.
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/terrorism/terrorism-definition

BBM
Thank you. So even Marshall Applewhite would be considered a terrorist, I take it? I can't say that I disagree.

The key word is "some". Many of the US prison converts rants in "arabic" are tarzan level arabic. Even a good number of the ISIS jihaders in Syria are known to prefer communicating in English, French or Russian and will lapse back into those languages when broadcasting their manifestos. I also believe the coordinator of the Paris Charlie Hebdo attackers usually spoke, texted, emailed, and screamed in French.

There are exceptions, however. One US convert from California known as "Al Americani" apaprently has made speeches on behalf of Al Queda in fluent, conversational arabic.

I second the other poster that thanked you for your knowledge. I'm really clueless on all this stuff so I need all the information I can get.

Jack'd app says it has no record of Mateen


The CEO of Jack'd, a Tinder-like gay chat and dating app, says he hasn't been contacted by law enforcement since reports surfaced late Monday Orlando shooter Omar Mateen might have been using the app for at least a year.

The service also hasn't been able to substantiate Mateen had been a member, said Hector Camacho, CEO of Jack'd parent company Online Buddies.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2016/06/14/what-jackd/85862874/

So per the article, some slimeball faked a screenshot to make it look like OM messaged him because he wanted his 15 minutes? What a complete loser. :slap:

A casket is optional here.

Some may say this is why we're weird in Austin but I like to think of it as just having choices!


http://http://www.eloisewoods.com/faq.html

Burial can be so diverse and have so many rules. My aunt tried to convince us to throw my dad (his ashes, rather, it just seems so odd to say that phrase) out to sea, but you may not scatter ashes according to Catholic faith. He's got his own plot because you must treat them exactly as you would a casket so you can't use an urn either. So many rules! On mom's side one of my great aunts is in a mausoleum. Apologies to anyone that may prefer them, but mausoleums freak me all the way out! :scared:

 

[CARIIS]

I do wonder why there's so much resistance to labeling an Islamic terrorist an Islamic terrorist.

That is a amazing statement. Cause I wonder why so many want him to be a teorrist.

I think it is cause its easier for media to do that , than really take a look at how awful we manage mental health in this country, And we shall continue to pay the price. Until IMO, Americans grasp, that mental illiness is just like diabetes, a flaw in the machinery, this shalll continue.

Making him this bad a@@ terrorist gives the population something to focus on, we all are really "safe" if only we can get rid of these terrorists.

Hey the heck with me--look at us--were shooting each other up on daily basis.

IMO the real mess is the media. There real role in our society was to hold those in power accountable.Checks and balance.

that is gone and look where we are. The only one I have seen in the last 5 years, ask a hard question is Carol Costello. All the rest of em are afraid if they challenge their BS they just wont come back on your show.

Not how it was designed.............

He is, imo, not functioning at a high enough level to "be" a terrorist....but addressing mental health is a far tougher entity than saying he was a bad bad terrorist - there is nothing "we" need to address

moo

 

[CARIIS]

Anyone who kills 49 people and injures 53 others is far from a "wannabe" terrorist. On the contrary, he is the epitome of one.

If this happened before 9-ll the headline would be "shocking murder by crazed gunman" terror keeps it "the govt hands"

 

[CARIIS]

video in the bathroom

http://abcnews.go.com/US/orlando-shooter-turned-gun-store-suspicious/story?id=39901107

 

[Everyday Grace]

Orlando shooting victim Angel Colon was reunited in a local hospital today with the police officer who saved his life.

Angel Colon, who was shot three times and critically injured at the Pulse nightclub early Sunday, was able to survive after Eatonville Police Officer Omar Delgado pulled him out of the club, according to hospital officials. Video shows Delgado visiting Colon today [Thursday] at the Orlando Regional Medical Center.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/orlando-sh...ns-emotional-reunion-police/story?id=39917455

When Dr. Joseph Ibrahim heard that the attack at the Pulse nightclub may have been linked to terrorism, he caught himself fearing any kind of link to his own Muslim, Middle-Eastern roots.

Please, he thought, don’t let Ibrahim appear anywhere in the gunman’s name.

Dr. Ibrahim — who heads the trauma unit at Orlando Regional Medical Center, and generally goes by Joey — had already spent hours repairing gunshot wounds in the bodies of Latino men and women, many of whom were the sons and daughters of immigrants, too.

Dr. Ibrahim, who is 39 and speaks with a drip of Tennessee drawl, said that as he worked on victim after victim early Sunday morning, he was surrounded (as usual) by colleagues with ties to other parts of the world — nurses of Asian and Hispanic descent, technicians from Jamaica, and members of the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community.

“We worked side by side, without question,” he said.

Much more at the link:

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/06/1...her.html?_r=0&referer=https://www.google.com/

 

[human]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/orlando-sh...ns-emotional-reunion-police/story?id=39917455





Much more at the link:

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/06/1...her.html?_r=0&referer=https://www.google.com/

Tears. Powerful

 

[Elley Mae]

If this happened before 9-ll the headline would be "shocking murder by crazed gunman" terror keeps it "the govt hands"

Not quite, we knew what to call it in 83, bbm

An obscure group calling itself 'Islamic Jihad' claimed responsibility for the bombings and that the bombings were aimed to get the MNF out of Lebanon.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombings

 

[Sonya610]

Regarding who the gun store contacted. I looked up the procedures and they are told to contact either the Joint Terrorism Taskforce, ATF or FBI to report suspicious activity.

The pdf also lists suspicious things to watch out for including try to carry on covert conversations (not dealing with price negotiations), asking about ammo to pierce bullet proof vests, and other strange questions/behavior.

See page 3: https://www.atf.gov/file/56461/download

 

[Elley Mae]

Abell told reporters "we contacted FBI direct" after Mateen left the store but he did not elaborate on how investigators responded. He believed his employees did what they should have done, Abell said.

bbm

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/orlando-shooting-gun-store-owner-says-they-called-fbi-about-omar-mateen/

 

[deoneta]

Abell told reporters "we contacted FBI direct" after Mateen left the store but he did not elaborate on how investigators responded. He believed his employees did what they should have done, Abell said.

bbm


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/orlando-shooting-gun-store-owner-says-they-called-fbi-about-omar-mateen/

Based on what I just heard on Fox News, the gun shop employees weren't able to offer a name or CCTV footage to the FBI. MOO

 

[Sonya610]

Abell told reporters "we contacted FBI direct" after Mateen left the store but he did not elaborate on how investigators responded. He believed his employees did what they should have done, Abell said.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/orlando-shooting-gun-store-owner-says-they-called-fbi-about-omar-mateen/

I 100% believe that they did. With all of the frivolous "discrimination" lawsuits I would think they would want it documented in case the guy comes back and tries to sue them or run a smear campaign.

Pretty amazing that the FBI did not act, this happened WEEKS before the attack! The guy was already on their radar for associating with known Al-Queda operatives and now he is trying to buy bulk ammo and a bullet proof vest???

Some ponder whether the FBI was planning a sting operation and the massacre occurred earlier than they expected.

 

[jjenny]

Abell told reporters "we contacted FBI direct" after Mateen left the store but he did not elaborate on how investigators responded. He believed his employees did what they should have done, Abell said.

bbm

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/orlando-shooting-gun-store-owner-says-they-called-fbi-about-omar-mateen/

They contacted FBI but they didn't have the name of the "suspicious" person.

 

[Elley Mae]

My point about the gun store owner is that he did follow through with a call to the correct authorities, fbi . After he (omar) was interviewed in 2013 about terrorist comments at work then twice (2) times in 2014 about ties to the american suicide bomber in syria you would think that the call from the gun shop around the corner from the guy that his been talked to 3 times by the fbi that they would have thought to check omar out. jmo idk

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Mateen worked just a few miles from the St. Lucie Shooting Center, as a security guard at the south gate of PGA Villages. He was employed since 2007 by G4S, a national security firm with headquarters in Jupiter.

http://www.wpbf.com/news/gun-store-where-omar-mateen-bought-weapons-being-inspected-by-atf/40033554

Mateen had purchased both in the past 12 days from a gun store not far from his home in St. Lucie County, 125 miles south of Orlando, federal officials said.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...club-shooting-omar-mateen-20160612-story.html

Two years after that, the Federal Bureau of Investigation was called in after reports from Mr. Mateen’s co-workers that he, the American-born son of Afghan immigrants, had suggested he may have had terrorist ties. The F.B.I. interviewed him twice, but after surveillance, records checks and witness interviews, agents were unable to verify any terrorist links and closed their investigation.

Then, in 2014, the F.B.I. discovered a possible tie between Mr. Mateen and Moner Mohammad Abusalha, who had grown up in nearby Vero Beach and then became the first American suicide bomber in Syria, where he fought with the Nusra Front, a Qaeda-aligned militant group. Again, the F.B.I. closed its inquiry after finding “minimal” contact between the two men.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/13/u...-then-abuse-and-suspected-terrorist-ties.html

 

[jjenny]

Sounds like OM was trouble from an early age. It sounds to me that if he didn't claim to have been inspired by ISIS, it would have been something else.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/orlando...-early-school-records-note-he-lacked-remorse/

 

[jjenny]

Without the name given, FBI wouldn't know that they talked to the "suspicious" person that store owner reported. It's not even entirely clear that OM was the actual "suspicious" person, as there is no video of the encounter.

 

[Elley Mae]

Without the name given, FBI wouldn't know that they talked to the "suspicious" person that store owner reported. It's not even entirely clear that OM was the actual "suspicious" person, as there is no video of the encounter.

But if fbi would have shown up with a picture of omar, (which I am sure they have ) it could/would have helped. jmo

 

[Sonya610]

But if fbi would have shown up with a picture of omar, (which I am sure they have ) it could/would have helped. jmo

Or requested a copy of the store video. Stores often only keep it for 3-4 weeks before it gets erased.

Though if they really didn't have a name there wasn't much they could do. I will assume if the store DID give them a name they will make sure that comes out.

 

[jjenny]

But if fbi would have shown up with a picture of omar, (which I am sure they have ) it could/would have helped. jmo

Why would they show up with a picture of Omar? How would they know Omar was the supposed suspicious person when this was originally reported?

 

[Bravo]

Per CNN banner- 9 Funerals scheduled today :rose:

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Why would they show up with a picture of Omar? How would they know Omar was the supposed suspicious person when this was originally reported?

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