FL - Mass Shooting at Pulse Nightclub, Orlando 12 June 2016 #4

[Tillicum]

If he expected to survive it he wouldn't have posted it all over facebook or called a dozen people.

He also would have negotiated with the police and turned himself in, they spent a whole lot of time trying to negotiate with him and it went no where. There was simply no way he was going to escape and avoid being blamed for the crime, he had heavily publicized the fact he did it!

The vest was likely to prevent getting taken out before he accomplished his mission.

You know, now that I think about it, he might've made changes in his plan when he realized he couldn't purchase the vest. Maybe his original intent was to survive?

 

[CARIIS]

Thank you! I've spent the last hour trying to find where I read this!

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Media playing it like there was a long history of online ISIS viewing. The reality is according to news reports , that this activity is actually a flurry of looking for that stuff, the first week in June.

This was the timeframe where he was watching gay men accept themselves.

He was 29. He very, very rarely looked at any ISIS stuff prior to the first week of June. Very indicative of manic epsoide and increased feelings of wanting to die. IMO.

he was looking for any excuse to do something violent and he was a "boiling kettle."


A law enforcement official said the gunman increased his consumption of a variety of jihadist propaganda, such as beheading videos two weeks before the attack.
Before that the source says his consumption was infrequent and he certainly wasn't immersing himself in it. The official described Mateen as an "angry and violent man who in the last few weeks started watching ISIS videos."

This is unlike any of any of the ISIS terror folks whose computers are , for years loaded with this stuff




http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/15/us/orlando-shooter-omar-mateen/

 

[Deleted member 39678]

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/or...orlando-nightclub-shooter-omar-mateen-n591021





More:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/orlando...ia-on-trip-organized-by-nyu-center-1466122172

Looks to me that traveling over there for "Umrah" makes a good cover for anyone actually going for terrorist training.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

Hi!
Then it comes out that he was placed in an acadmic environ for the severly mental ill as a child, and that he had invovment with psychiatrists at that time - takes me back to mental illiness as far as causation in answering why did he do this.


Thank you for asking!!

RSaBBM

I don't recall seeing this...I've read that he attended normal elementary and middle schools, and was in an alternative education school for high school. Alternative education schools are for kids who can't be in a regular classroom due to behavior issues, educational issues, involvement in the legal system, etc. They aren't for the severely mentally ill. My hubs worked in an alternative high school for many years, most of the kids were there because they were in and out of jail.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/orlando...-early-school-records-note-he-lacked-remorse/

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[Everyday Grace]

The Guardian has assembled a partial timeline that incorporates a number of accounts from survivors.

One of the pieces of new information:

4.15am

An initial reconstruction, based both on public statements by the Orlando authorities and on second-hand accounts of internal deliberations from a senior law enforcement official who has been briefed on them, suggests that the police brought the siege to an end approximately 45 minutes earlier than previously reported.

The county bomb squad set shape charges on the walls outside the bathrooms in which many surviving clubgoers were trapped. The plan was to provide those survivors with escape routes while also giving law enforcement an entry point.

*SNIP*

The charges failed to breach the walls, forcing the police to resort to plan B. They broke in with a battering ram: an armoured vehicle known as a Bearcat.

Much more:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...htlcub-shooting-pulse-florida-attack-timeline

 

[CARIIS]

No sex sites on cell found yet:

His cell very damaged

Authorities are facing the challenge of trying to glean information from the gunman's cell phone. It was damaged after it was submerged in water and blood,


https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=pulse+cell+shooters+phone+damaged+

 

[Sonya610]

You know, now that I think about it, he might've made changes in his plan when he realized he couldn't purchase the vest. Maybe his original intent was to survive?

I believe the authorities refused to say whether he was wearing a vest or not. Regardless he told the police he was wearing an explosive vest. When he asked for a Class 3 vest he must have wanted it for protection, he could have bought a cheap empty vest that would look like a suicide vest without the plates (metal inserts that stop bullets).

He did try to buy a vest weeks before but there is no reason he couldn't have gotten one before the shooting, local stores don't carry them (neither shop he visited carried them) but they can be bought on ebay or tons of other websites.

 

[CARIIS]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/13/us/orlando-nightclub-shooting/

Investigators are "highly confident" the gunman was self-radicalized through the internet, Comey said.

According to one official, analysis of Mateen's electronic devices showed searches for jihadist propaganda, including videos of ISIS beheading videos and of Anwar al-Awlaki -- an influential American-born imam who worked as a spokesman for al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula and was killed in 2011.

"He consumed a hell of a lot of jihadist propaganda" online, the source said.

^ That

He was 29. Media has played this angle like he had been, like we have seen on all other attacks really tied to ISIS , we see a long history of that kind of searching and viewing online.

The reality here is he watched very little of this, until the week he did Disney, after watching thousands of gay men celebrating there sexuality.

In that same time frame, the intensity of that behavior is totally conguent with a manic epsoide.

the gunman increased his consumption of a variety of jihadist propaganda, such as beheading videos two weeks before the attack.

Before that the source says his consumption was infrequent and he certainly wasn't immersing himself in it. The official described Mateen as an "angry and violent man who in the last few weeks started watching ISIS videos."

A source said he was looking for any excuse to do something violent and he was a "boiling kettle."

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/15/us/orlando-shooter-omar-mateen/

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

Media playing it like there was a long history of online ISIS viewing. The reality is according to news reports , that this activity is actually a flurry of looking for that stuff, the first week in June.

This was the timeframe where he was watching gay men accept themselves.

He was 29. He very, very rarely looked at any ISIS stuff prior to the first week of June. Very indicative of manic epsoide and increased feelings of wanting to die. IMO.

he was looking for any excuse to do something violent and he was a "boiling kettle."


A law enforcement official said the gunman increased his consumption of a variety of jihadist propaganda, such as beheading videos two weeks before the attack.
Before that the source says his consumption was infrequent and he certainly wasn't immersing himself in it. The official described Mateen as an "angry and violent man who in the last few weeks started watching ISIS videos."

This is unlike any of any of the ISIS terror folks whose computers are , for years loaded with this stuff




http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/15/us/orlando-shooter-omar-mateen/

There were witness reports of him watching terrorist propaganda during the prior FBI investigations.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...8e9054-3177-11e6-8ff7-7b6c1998b7a0_story.html

A witness told the FBI he had become concerned about Mateen, who had been watching videos of a radical cleric, Anwar *al-Awlaki, a top leader and propagandist in al-Qaeda’s branch in Yemen. Awlaki’s rhetoric has been implicated in numerous terrorist attacks, including the 2009 Fort Hood shooting in which 13 people were killed by Army Maj. Nidal Hasan.

But the witness stopped worrying when Mateen started a relationship, had a child and found steady employment as a security guard.

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[passionflower]

Just a thought..........could killer have contacted or thought he had HIV? would soon be found out?
Decided to be a martyr for family instead of the truth? JMOO (trigger/motive)

 

[CSIDreamer]

I believe the authorities refused to say whether he was wearing a vest or not. Regardless he told the police he was wearing an explosive vest. When he asked for a Class 3 vest he must have wanted it for protection, he could have bought a cheap empty vest that would look like a suicide vest without the plates (metal inserts that stop bullets).

He did try to buy a vest weeks before but there is no reason he couldn't have gotten one before the shooting, local stores don't carry them (neither shop he visited carried them) but they can be bought on ebay or tons of other websites.

Can you get bulletproof vests at military surplus stores?

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

No sex sites on cell found yet:

His cell very damaged

Authorities are facing the challenge of trying to glean information from the gunman's cell phone. It was damaged after it was submerged in water and blood,


https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=pulse+cell+shooters+phone+damaged+

Well, they were sure able to recover his text messages and phone calls!

ETA and his Facebook activity done from his cell during the attack.

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[CARIIS]

It's no secret that exposure to blood-borne pathogens via blood, bodily fluids, tissue, or biological foreign bodies, eg, bone fragments, is a concern for first-responders/rescuers and victims of natural and man-made disasters as well as those who investigate and otherwise work at the scene later.

CDC: Recommendations for Postexposure Interventions to Prevent Infection with Hepatitis B Virus, Hepatitis C Virus, or Human Immunodeficiency Virus, and Tetanus in Persons Wounded During Bombings and Other Mass-Casualty Events

This is truly a depressing reality huh?

My only hope here might be that it was young crowd, and they came into gay life with full awareness of AIDS disaster and hopefully protected sex.

Boy that is the pitts, tho, not only does one witness all this, but then ends up infected horribel

 

[Tulessa]

Can you get bulletproof vests at military surplus stores?

Yes.

http://www.armysurplusworld.com/product.asp?ProductID=57913

 

[CARIIS]

I believe the authorities refused to say whether he was wearing a vest or not.

Regardless he told the police he was wearing an explosive vest. He did try to buy a vest weeks before but there is no reason he couldn't have gotten one, local stores don't carry them (neither shop he visited carried them) but they can be bought on ebay or tons of other websites.

My sense is his hopelessness increased steadily and he came to the conclusion that he would let LE shoot him death.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Well, they were sure able to recover his text messages and phone calls!

ETA and his Facebook activity done from his cell during the attack.

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This link says they've been able to get data from his cell even though it was damaged. Just took some doing.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/15/us/orlando-shooter-omar-mateen/

 

[oceanblueeyes]

There were witness reports of him watching terrorist propaganda during the prior FBI investigations.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...8e9054-3177-11e6-8ff7-7b6c1998b7a0_story.html

A witness told the FBI he had become concerned about Mateen, who had been watching videos of a radical cleric, Anwar *al-Awlaki, a top leader and propagandist in al-Qaeda’s branch in Yemen. Awlaki’s rhetoric has been implicated in numerous terrorist attacks, including the 2009 Fort Hood shooting in which 13 people were killed by Army Maj. Nidal Hasan.

But the witness stopped worrying when Mateen started a relationship, had a child and found steady employment as a security guard.

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It shows his fixation with Islamic terrorists had been going on for many years prior to him becoming an Islamic terrorist himself. This wasn't just a whim at the moment thing. His history for many years shows he admired Islamic terrorists and IMO wanted to be one of them.

 

[bluesneakers]

Although I do not think it applicable in the case, (being recriuted etc) in a lot of ways joining ISIS is a lot like the role of gangs. Its usually deisenfrahshed folks who dont feel connected to society. He was like not alone, in the sense he had a kid a job, etc

Itruly, for one of many reasons, mainly the FBI not finding any ecidence, beleive that because his behavior was odd, that a group like ISIS would not have much to do with him -becasue of his oddities

No matter our feelings toward the Paris attacks , those guys had to really cognitily organized to pull off that night.

Like his job history - I think he would have been, if you will, fired!

I agree it's a lot like gangs, and like so many gangs it's run like an MLM that doesn't pass down the money in the same way. Violence, revenge, fame. It's also a cult in some ways. Brainwash, recruit, send out to the "marketplace."

More evidence might come to light but I also suspect he wasn't part of a larger, organized effort. But maybe he was a wild card and they knew eventually he would act on his own.

JMO

 

[CARIIS]

Thank you for your thoughtful reply.

The reason most of us believe it was radical Islamic terrorism is because

a) he did everything he possibly could to make sure everyone knew it was Islamic Terrorism related to ISIS (yet people are still in denial)

b) he was investigated by the FBI twice Found nothing tho

c) he carried on a lengthy communication with an Al Queda operative debunked they found zero connections to the suicidal bomber over there

d) he enrolled in courses lead by a known Islamic radical with ties to international terrorism and international terrorist training

debunked , that story was about an online school, that had nothing to do with terrorism, and he was never on their on the website. It was Greta interview with him - total BS!

e) he made two trips to Saudi Arabia (neither were for Hajj). On one trip he was put up in four star hotels. He makes very little as a security guard so WHO paid for a first class trip to a very expensive country like Saudi Arabia? And why??? Terrorist training seems like an obvious reason, they hop on over to Yemin for training after arriving in S.A. Plus Muslims are expected to go to Hajj once in their lifetime, yet this guy makes two trips neither of which was for Hajj? He isn't rich so why???

Check out dads house - upper middle?

f) the first official WH statement made it clear they were going to pursue a domestic agenda, not a foreign one! The investigation was just starting yet they had already made that determination. They want to target American Citizens as a whole and ignore any foreign policy changes. In order to pursue that agenda they MUST have this labeled as domestic terrorism with no ties to foreign allegiances.

Still think domestic, but that statement certainly sounds like our congress for sure!

As it relates to the gun store deal I do not know what anyone would expect LE to have done? Being suspious in one persons thought is not againist the law, and they had no idea who he was.

TY, as well, for your informative response!!

 

[bluesneakers]

I think our politicians don't want to admit this was terrorism because they're more invested in social engineering and covering their own butts than they are in telling us common plebs the truth. Look at all the times he was reported and I'm betting the authorities dismissed the reporters as islamaphobes. You know what though you still have to call a spade a shovel sometimes. This was terrorism, people around him knew what he was planning, other people thought he was suspicious and did the right thing and called it in, and the system failed big time and now 49 innocent people are dead.

Which politicians aren't admitting it was terrorism?