FL - Mass Shooting at Pulse Nightclub, Orlando 12 June 2016 #4

[bluesneakers]

I wonder if the Muslim man who is the head of the trauma center there in Orlando is terrified for his family and himself now?

I wonder if everytime he or his family leaves the house he thinks some person who has been stirred into a frenzy over Muslims will attack him or his family?

I thought about that too. I also wonder how many women who usually wear hijab are considering not to, or who are afraid to leave their homes?

 

[bluesneakers]

I don't think that Isis cares much if the people they indoctrinate into being terrorists have a mental illness. All they care about is if the person can kill and create terror.

Isis is probably happy that some feel that this wasn't an Islamic terror attack but simply a mental heath problem. It may make it possible that no meaningful changes will be made to prevent further attacks.

JMO

Agree. So much easier if they do. We don't know much about those committing violence and terror in the East. ISIS might find ways to exploit their illnesses (it's not difficult) and send them on their way. It doesn't always have to be an organized team effort.

JMO

 

[bluesneakers]

You know, now that I think about it, he might've made changes in his plan when he realized he couldn't purchase the vest. Maybe his original intent was to survive?

And do it again somewhere else.

 

[CARIIS]

Are you familiar with the rusty sneiderman case in Atlanta where Hemy Neuman killed him in Disguise outside of the sun daycare center in Dunwoody Georgia?

Guilty of very much methodical and cognitive planning, but convicted of guilty but mentally ill.

He had Angel speaking to him, movie star speaking to him excetera. ( many folks here may remember his "love" was Andrea sneiderman.)

The two ( planning and mentally ill) aren't mutually exclusive :moo:

At all!!

In fact the majority of bipolars are wildly bright. It is a mood disorder, has nothing to do with "planning" skills. In fact when manic they can outplan anyone!!

[FONT=&amp]Individuals who scored in the top 10% of manic features had a childhood IQ almost 10 points higher than those who scored in the lowest 10%. This correlation appeared strongest for those with high verbal IQ.[/FONT]

periods of emotional intensity, creativity, energy, and productivity as appealing aspects to being bipolar. These “advantages” to bipolar symptoms can be so strong that bipolar patients may actually stop taking their medications because they miss this side to the disease.

This is exactly how the first wife described him

• Productivity. People with bipolar disorder sleep less as they become manic and have more energy. As a result, they are often more productive than their peers, at least for a while. The lack of sleep and high-energy work can eventually lead to burnout and may contribute to symptoms of psychosis, such as paranoia and hallucinations.

Totally fits his peroid of time when he was checking out guns, and do manic ISIS searches - all in the manic time window

Falling in sleep so often it became a reason for discharge from school. Thats a lot of falling asleep!


http://www.everydayhealth.com/bipolar-disorder/is-there-a-bright-side-to-bipolar-disorder.aspx

• Confidence. Feeling more self-confident is one of the benefits described by people with bipolar disorder. Unfortunately, as mania increases, this self-confidence can become unrealistic fantasies about power and success, leading to poor life choices and impulsiveness.
• Charm. Along with greater energy and self-confidence, people with bipolar disorder may be more outgoing and charming as their mood improves. This can draw people to them, making them the life of the party (for a while). However, as mania progresses, increasing irritability, impulsiveness, irrational behavior or speech, and risk-taking also can drive people away.
• Euphoria. Intense joy and pleasure in life, including a heightened awareness of details, may also be experienced by bipolar patients as they approach mania. This perception of the world in bright and beloved detail is often what patients cite as the most missed element of bipolar disorder.
• Insight. Many people with bipolar disorder experience a feeling of greater intellectual ability and insight as they approach mania.

https://www.theguardian.com/science...ipolar-disorder-may-share-underlying-genetics

lost the other link!

 

[x_files]

I wonder if the Muslim man who is the head of the trauma center there in Orlando is terrified for his family and himself now?

I wonder if everytime he or his family leaves the house he thinks some person who has been stirred into a frenzy over Muslims will attack him or his family?

He is a hero. I hope he is not threatened.

 

[lupinibean]

I know there was some discussion earlier in this thread as to why he was fired from the FL Dept of Corrections. I don't think this has been posted yet...apparently he asked another recruit about "bringing a gun to school".

http://thesmokinggun.com/buster/florida/omar-mateen-dismissal-618295#fbcomments

 

[tehcloser]

Is there a link to this man being bi polar or anything? Or is it just being assumed?

 

[CARIIS]

no evidence had emerged ...... pointing to actual ties to terrorist groups or a significant association with jihadist causes.

Mateen had expressed anger about homosexuality, the shooter had no record of previous hate crimes.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/ex-wife-of-suspected-orlando-shooter-he-beat-me/2016/06/12/8a1963b4-30b8-11e6-8ff7-7b6c1998b7a0_story.html

 

[Bravo]

Did anyone catch the Interview on CNN last night? I only caught part of it and cant seem to find it on their website. Anyhoo it was 2 men who are former neighbors of killer and Family. Spoke to a period of time when killer was growing up. Between killer and his Father life on that street had moments of he77. One spoke of killer treating his Mother disrespectfully. Overheard calling her a b!tch. Both taunting neighbors etc. I wish I could find it as I was only able to hear bits and pieces. No surprise that both were not nice to have on the street. IMO

 

[CARIIS]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...1963b4-30b8-11e6-8ff7-7b6c1998b7a0_story.html

Here is the debunking of all the media stuff with FBI

He had twice come under investigation by the FBI — once for comments suggesting an affinity for Islamist groups, and a second time for vague connections to another Florida man who traveled to Syria to become a suicide bomber

Neither probe turned up evidence of wrongdoing

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

Is there a link to this man being bi polar or anything? Or is it just being assumed?

It comes from one of his first wife's interviews. Whether he actually had a diagnosis or not is anyone's guess.

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[tehcloser]

Thank you . I didn't realize she had actually said "bi--polar".

 

[CARIIS]

Is there a link to this man being bi polar or anything? Or is it just being assumed?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...1963b4-30b8-11e6-8ff7-7b6c1998b7a0_story.html

Sitora Yusifiy described her ex-husband and Orlando shooter Omar Mateen as "mentally unstable and mentally ill."

her former husband wasn’t very devout

 

[oceanblueeyes]

The government doesn't have to tell us his motive. Mateen made sure his motive for shooting over a 100 people was known and very clear.

Its the only time I can ever remember where the offender specifically tells why they did their horrible crime, and it is still not believed by some.

Mateen is the most dangerous type of all Islamic terrorist who reeks havoc right on our soil. He was born here partaking of all of our freedoms yet he never considered himself one of us. He was always more like 'them.' IMO I think from an early age he hated 'us' and was taught to do so. That is why he was so elated anytime a suicide bomber or terrorist murdered more infidels.

Like serial killers admire other well known serial killers Mateen admired the most violent terrorists of all. Those who blew themselves up to murder more of the infidels or the Imams who held great power to insure terrorist attacks were carried out. He fed into their barbarism, into their hatred, and the call for violence.

Mateen is the new face of the terrorist we are going to face here more and more often. Those who feed on all of the violent propaganda Isis and other terrorist organization puts out . People like Mateen soak it up like a toxic sponge. Now Isis has changed it strategy for lone wolf attackers. They don't have to fund them anymore or even supply weapons. They don't even have to use technology to get to those who want to carryout Islam terrorist attacks here. That way they don't even have to worry about the FBI or the CIA picking up their chatter. They already know there are many here who believes just as Mateen believed. All they have to do now is putout videos calling for their supporters around the world to do lone wolf attacks.

His history shows a man consumed with fanatical Islamic beliefs. Its plain as the day is long for all to see, imo. This time it isn't even complex to put all the puzzle pieces together about the views he held. We already know so much about his Islamic extremist views (years of history) and the FBI is still really in the infancy of gathering information. There will be more to come out about this radical terrorist and his terrorist thoughts/beliefs, and how he had long been a Islamic terrorist in the making for many years before this happened.

He carefully thought out this plan of mass murder even making sure his assets were already transferred to someone else and he did that back in April but he plotted to do this much earlier than even then, imo. Imo, they will find plenty of links on his home computer tying him to Muslim extremism. Like Major Hasan, he may have even been conversing with Imams both here, and abroad.

What is interesting is on his phone they haven't found one thing showing that he had had a gay relationship. I think he hung around gays because he was a misfit and loner and they were more accepting of him even though even they too thought he was strange.

 

[CARIIS]

I know there was some discussion earlier in this thread as to why he was fired from the FL Dept of Corrections. I don't think this has been posted yet...apparently he asked another recruit about "bringing a gun to school".

http://thesmokinggun.com/buster/florida/omar-mateen-dismissal-618295#fbcomments

That sounds like healthy behaviors that ocured , as just posted , the time peroid in his life when he was not practicing any Muslim anything


He repeadily threatened to kill people in miidel or high school. Violent thinking had obviously been a component of his life since birth.

Mateen had thoughts of wanting to do something violent. He had been talking about it for months, if not years. As oppossed to these religous rants - it was mental impuse control stuff moo

No ISIS stuff in an 8th graders life!! moo

What he actually said was would you tell If I bought a gun .............2 days after Virg Tech

all cilinders are not firing correctly clearly!!

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

“In the beginning he was a normal being that cared about family, loved to joke, loved to have fun,” Yusifiy said of Mateen, whom she had met online.

“A few months after we were married I saw his instability, I saw his bipolar, and he would get mad out of nowhere, and that’s when I started worrying about my safety.

“Then after a few months he started abusing me physically, very often, and not allowing me to speak to my family, and keeping me hostage from them,” she said.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...ex-wife-says-he-beat-her-and-held-her-hostage

Some other takes on it...

The term "bipolar" has become a colloquialism. It has come to mean someone who is irritable, has frequent mood swings, outbursts of rage, lacks restraint. Urban Dictionary offers this definition -- "(d)escribes one who has bipolar disorder. This disorder causes the person to have mood swings frequently, usually triggered by something small."
But that's not bipolar disorder. Bipolar disorder is not outbursts of anger. In fact, when someone has daily mood swings from minute to minute with trivial triggers, bipolar disorder is a pretty unlikely diagnosis.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/15/opini...florida-shooting-hossein-girgis-khan-pastula/

But regardless as to the fact that he may have been violent and abusive, that doesn’t mean that he had bipolar disorder. YuSufi is not a psychiatrist and, more specifically, she certainly isn’t Mateen’s psychiatrist. What qualifications does she have to say that “he was bipolar?” And why should we believe her? She never said he had a diagnosis of bipolar – i.e. was actually diagnosed by a professional – she just said he “was” bipolar, suggesting that she assessed him as such, apparently due to his abusive actions.

http://www.healthyplace.com/blogs/b...orlando-shooter-mateen-have-bipolar-disorder/




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[Everyday Grace]

Then, in his final [Facebook] post, a warning: ''In the next few days you will see attacks from the Islamic state in the usa."

Meanwhile, a friend who is a medical professional saw these posts at his home in Washington, D.C., and called the shooter, three law enforcement officials said Friday. The friend said they discussed medication, one source said. It was not clear whether the friend was aware that a massacre was ongoing.

The friend subsequently contacted the FBI and was interviewed. Investigators do not believe that individual had prior knowledge of the attack or was involved in any way according to the officials.

CNN previously reported the shooter spoke to a friend during the rampage and said goodbye, but the sources could not say if this was the same person.

Finally in a linkable location:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/17/us/orlando-shooter-omar-mateen/

 

[CARIIS]

“In the beginning he was a normal being that cared about family, loved to joke, loved to have fun,” Yusifiy said of Mateen, whom she had met online.

“A few months after we were married I saw his instability, I saw his bipolar, and he would get mad out of nowhere, and that’s when I started worrying about my safety.

“Then after a few months he started abusing me physically, very often, and not allowing me to speak to my family, and keeping me hostage from them,” she said.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...ex-wife-says-he-beat-her-and-held-her-hostage

Some other takes on it...

The term "bipolar" has become a colloquialism. It has come to mean someone who is irritable, has frequent mood swings, outbursts of rage, lacks restraint. Urban Dictionary offers this definition -- "(d)escribes one who has bipolar disorder. This disorder causes the person to have mood swings frequently, usually triggered by something small."
But that's not bipolar disorder. Bipolar disorder is not outbursts of anger. In fact, when someone has daily mood swings from minute to minute with trivial triggers, bipolar disorder is a pretty unlikely diagnosis.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/15/opini...florida-shooting-hossein-girgis-khan-pastula/

But regardless as to the fact that he may have been violent and abusive, that doesn’t mean that he had bipolar disorder. YuSufi is not a psychiatrist and, more specifically, she certainly isn’t Mateen’s psychiatrist. What qualifications does she have to say that “he was bipolar?” And why should we believe her? She never said he had a diagnosis of bipolar – i.e. was actually diagnosed by a professional – she just said he “was” bipolar, suggesting that she assessed him as such, apparently due to his abusive actions.

http://www.healthyplace.com/blogs/b...orlando-shooter-mateen-have-bipolar-disorder/




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Bipolar actually is not one illiness. It is actually like 5 different ice cream flaovors. All ice cream, but each one has different compnoents.

Anger is always the symptom of a problem. For those who have anger stemming from bipolar disorder, it can range from mild to wild.

• Often, there is no particular trigger that sets off anger. Rather, the person may simply wake up feeling angry.
• In other instances, the person may be sensitive to particular actions that invoke anger for the majority of people.
  [*=left]There are some cases where a person will significantly over-react in a very angry manner to an event that the majority of people will only find as an irritation or inconvenience.

https://www.mentalhelp.net/articles/the-link-between-bipolar-disorder-and-anger/

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[atthelake]

The Guardian has assembled a partial timeline that incorporates a number of accounts from survivors.

One of the pieces of new information:



Much more:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...htlcub-shooting-pulse-florida-attack-timeline

I' m surprised there has never been a scanner replay " downstairs" at Websleuths for timeline

:thinking:

 

[bluesneakers]

Bipolar actually is not one illiness. It is actually like 5 different ice cream flaovors. All ice cream, but each one has different compnoents.

Anger is always the symptom of a problem. For those who have anger stemming from bipolar disorder, it can range from mild to wild.

• Often, there is no particular trigger that sets off anger. Rather, the person may simply wake up feeling angry.
• In other instances, the person may be sensitive to particular actions that invoke anger for the majority of people.
  [*=left]There are some cases where a person will significantly over-react in a very angry manner to an event that the majority of people will only find as an irritation or inconvenience.

https://www.mentalhelp.net/articles/the-link-between-bipolar-disorder-and-anger/

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People with bipolar disorder can also experience psychosis as well as visual and auditory hallucinations. They can also feel special, chosen, psychic, and as if they are receiving messages from God or some other supernatural force. Obviously we don't know for sure if he had it but for example he might have felt as if someone from isis WAS sending him special messages to commit a terrorist act, even if no one was.

Note: not excusing him or saying he's not responsible for what he did, not suggesting he wasn't a terrorist. He was. There's no justification or excuse imo. And again no idea if he actually had any disorders.