FL - Mass Shooting at Pulse Nightclub, Orlando 12 June 2016 #4

[CARIIS]

Finally in a linkable location:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/17/us/orlando-shooter-omar-mateen/

medical professional noone finds it odd that he has only been described as this.

Obvoulsly who ever interviewed him asked him what medications they were discussing-why is that top secret - unless its a solid indicator of some medical professioial ,( which would seem to indicate that the first wife was not so out there in declaring he was bipolar!) who had to have some interaction with him, and sounds aware that he had mental issues.

If we are talking pure medical issue, in the middle of mass shooting why would someone be talking about altertaives - between shots, they are discussing chemo therapy?

This call to me has been the most indictive thus far. IMO

I am serious, can someone give me an idea of what medications they would talking to murderer about in the middle of rampage? I am asking!!

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

medical professional noone finds it odd that he has only been described as this.

Obvoulsly who ever interviewed him asked him what medications they were discussing-why is that top secret - unless its a solid indicator of some medical professioial ,( which would seem to indicate that the first wife was not so out there in declaring he was bipolar!) who had to have some interaction with him, and sounds aware that he had mental issues.

If we are talking pure medical issue, in the middle of mass shooting why would someone be talking about altertaives - between shots, they are discussing chemo therapy?

This call to me has been the most indictive thus far. IMO

I am serious, can someone give me an idea of what medications they would talking to murderer about in the middle of rampage? I am asking!!

Dunno... but imo he sure could have used some Valium.

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[CARIIS]

People with bipolar disorder can also experience psychosis as well as visual and auditory hallucinations. They can also feel special, chosen, psychic, and as if they are receiving messages from God or some other supernatural force. Obviously we don't know for sure if he had it but for example he might have felt as if someone from isis WAS sending him special messages to commit a terrorist act, even if no one was.

Note: not excusing him or saying he's not responsible for what he did, not suggesting he wasn't a terrorist. He was. There's no justification or excuse imo. And again no idea if he actually had any disorders.

Hi Blue

I def think he went into delusionial phases. Telling people that Osama Bin Laden is your uncle is pretty out there.

I also wanna say I think bio dad aint all there either - running for an election that is not happening is pretty out there!!

And that is what I think all the utterings of him and "terror ties" --were. He was in a delsuinial state. There was no consitency at all.

One time he knows the Boston Bombers, then he knows someone involved in Foot Hood. There was another one I can remember.

That is why I think the final 3 911 calls (obviously overloaded on stress and probaly had been drinking) were just hot air.

Blue were you aware that on his phone calls to everyone he could not remember which ISIS faction he was doing this all for ? It was like one call he said Burger King, then the next person he talked to he was doing it for Wendys, and on the final call he was doing it in the name Of Mcdonads.

Obioulsy I am making this up! But Burger is allies with Isreal, Wendys hates the Taliban and Mcdonads is loyal to kingdom cong!!

So much credibility can be given to someone who has no clue who he is willing to die for --- makes totally no sense - and sounds like a pretty chaotic mind at that point! IMO

It would be interesting to note if he drank heavily that night

 

[katydid23]

If he expected to survive it he wouldn't have posted it all over facebook or called a dozen people.

He also would have negotiated with the police and turned himself in, they spent a whole lot of time trying to negotiate with him and it went no where. There was simply no way he was going to escape and avoid being blamed for the crime, he had heavily publicized the fact he did it!

The vest was likely to prevent getting taken out before he accomplished his mission.

He could have expected and hoped to survive when he set out that night. But once he got into the gun battle with the cops, at that point, he KNEW he was not coming out alive. And he began calling friends and family to say his goodbyes. jmo

 

[CARIIS]

Dunno... but imo he sure could have used some Valium.

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Not singular!!

 

[bluesneakers]

Dunno... but imo he sure could have used some Valium.

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I was thinking haldol.

 

[katydid23]

No sex sites on cell found yet:

His cell very damaged

Authorities are facing the challenge of trying to glean information from the gunman's cell phone. It was damaged after it was submerged in water and blood,


https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=pulse+cell+shooters+phone+damaged+

It does not matter if his cell was damaged. LE will get the records from his cell provider and from other people's cells, etc.

 

[katydid23]

Hi Blue

I def think he went into delusionial phases. Telling people that Osama Bin Laden is your uncle is pretty out there.

I also wanna say I think bio dad aint all there either - running for an election that is not happening is pretty out there!!

And that is what I think all the utterings of him and "terror ties" --were. He was in a delsuinial state. There was no consitency at all.

One time he knows the Boston Bombers, then he knows someone involved in Foot Hood. There was another one I can remember.

That is why I think the final 3 911 calls (obviously overloaded on stress and probaly had been drinking) were just hot air.

Blue were you aware that on his phone calls to everyone he could not remember which ISIS faction he was doing this all for ? It was like one call he said Burger King, then the next person he talked to he was doing it for Wendys, and on the final call he was doing it in the name Of Mcdonads.

Obioulsy I am making this up! But Burger is allies with Isreal, Wendys hates the Taliban and Mcdonads is loyal to kingdom cong!!

So much credibility can be given to someone who has no clue who he is willing to die for --- makes totally no sense - and sounds like a pretty chaotic mind at that point! IMO

It would be interesting to note if he drank heavily that night

How many of the past terrorists have been bi-polar? I am going to go out on a limb and say the majority of them.

 

[bluesneakers]

How many of the past terrorists have been bi-polar? I am going to go out on a limb and say the majority of them.

Not sure, but just like most Muslims aren't terrorists, most people with bipolar disorder are not violent, not terrorists, not murderers.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

How many of the past terrorists have been bi-polar? I am going to go out on a limb and say the majority of them.

I dare say the vast majority of extremists are not mentally or emotiinally healthy.

ETA bipolar being only one of many possible issues.

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[CARIIS]

In addition the reasons for visiting the club ahead of time are not limited to either a) visiting because he was gay or b) casing the joint.

Third reason could easily be because he wanted to go there and ENVISION what he was going to do. Fantasize about the massacre etc... Sort of like a rapist that watches their victims for a period of time before the crime.

They like knowing they will have the power of life or death over the victims. He knew when he finally committed the act he was a goner so reveling in it and imagining it ahead of time makes some sense (especially if he planned to do this during Ramadan).

I would also suspect that if he received training that may be recommended. A lone gunman is different than a group, being familiar with the dim lighting, loud music etc... would make one more effective (and he was very very effective, amazingly so, not like a lunatic unprepared gunman but like someone who thought this through very carefully and performed in a relaxed manner with a very high level of skill.).

I have never understood that "skill" stuff when it comes to the kind of weapon he used. I get it with like a pistol

It seems to me you just spray around ?

 

[bluesneakers]

I dare say the vast majority of extremists are not mentally or emotiinally healthy.

ETA bipolar being only one of many possible issues.

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So many things wrong or possibly wrong. I doubt we'll ever know, especially considering his effed up history and unlikelihood of ever seeking help. He hurt so many people - practically since the day he was born. All that damage.

*insert barrage of profanity*

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I have never understood that "skill" stuff when it comes to the kind of weapon he used. I get it with like a pistol

It seems to me you just spray around ?

No, you aim and fire at your target and then move on to the next target. He had to reload because this was not an automatic rifle. It was a semi-automatic although some in the media are bound and determine to make it an assault rifle even though it wasn't. I think it does take skill to be able to shoot this many victims at one time but I am sure he had firearm training both in handguns and long guns.

Pistols aren't nearly as accurate imo or only accurate if close to the target. That is why we see so many of the police fire their weapon multiple times and still they may not bring down their targeted threat or may only hit them one or two times even though they fired several shots. With the rifle he could pick off someone with accuracy who was many yards away from him.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I dare say the vast majority of extremists are not mentally or emotiinally healthy.

ETA bipolar being only one of many possible issues.

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Its all guesswork and to me it isn't even relevant to why he did this but to me going by his past background including his childhood he seems to have been becoming a fledgling sociopath very early on in life. He seems to have really no conscience or the ability to have genuine compassion for others. Of course I am sure at times he was able to mimic being compassionate since a lot of them are able to do that but even that usually comes off as an odd response.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Thank you . I didn't realize she had actually said "bi--polar".

I'm not aware she's a psychologist, therapist, or psychiatrist. I could be wrong. It's always so much fun to classify evil people, or people we don't like, as mentally ill.

 

[CARIIS]

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/or...orlando-nightclub-shooter-omar-mateen-n591021





More:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/orlando...ia-on-trip-organized-by-nyu-center-1466122172

Another debunk of ISIS paying for his 4 star hotel


This expains the 4 star hotel

Mateen and three others believed to be his family members

What would he do to get away from his family to go (nothing like that has been found) get terrorism training on that visit

 

[CARIIS]

So many things wrong or possibly wrong. I doubt we'll ever know, especially considering his effed up history and unlikelihood of ever seeking help. He hurt so many people - practically since the day he was born. All that damage.

*insert barrage of profanity*

I can be very obiedent
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[bluesneakers]

I dare say the vast majority of extremists are not mentally or emotiinally healthy.

ETA bipolar being only one of many possible issues.

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It's another thing to explore and consider just like all the other possibilities. That's why we're sleuths.

I also believe the more we learn about how he got to where he went the better we can see it and catch it before the next ones. Not us specifically although it could happen.

Was there a time and place when he chose this specific path? When was he past the point of no return? Was it illness? Anger? Influence/brainwashing? Antisocial personality? Homophobia? All of it?

FFS he lived in America. He -like a lot of us - won the lottery when he was born here.

 

[CSIDreamer]

When people behave in an extreme and violent manner, it is tempting to assume that they must be "crazy" or "mentally ill." So when we view the violent atrocities of groups like the Islamic State ("ISIS"), we may imagine that the perpetrators are "psychotic" or severely disturbed. But there is little evidence to support this notion, and most research on terrorism doesn't point to severe mental illness as a significant causal factor.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/855849

I'm sure there are numerous articles out there to say there are no terrorists, only the mentally ill. But, I'm not buying it. I'm starting to think it's less scary for us to classify someone as "mentally ill" (at least there's a treatment and it humanizes them) rather than just sheer evil. Eh? At least we feel we have some way to control mental illness. Evil? Not so much.

 

[bluesneakers]

When people behave in an extreme and violent manner, it is tempting to assume that they must be "crazy" or "mentally ill." So when we view the violent atrocities of groups like the Islamic State ("ISIS"), we may imagine that the perpetrators are "psychotic" or severely disturbed. But there is little evidence to support this notion, and most research on terrorism doesn't point to severe mental illness as a significant causal factor.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/855849

I'm sure there are numerous articles out there to say there are no terrorists, only the mentally ill. But, I'm not buying it. I'm starting to think it's less scary for us to classify someone as "mentally ill" (at least there's a treatment and it humanizes them) rather than just sheer evil. Eh? At least we feel we have some way to control mental illness. Evil? Not so much.

I think the opposite. I believe it turns into people demonizing people with mental illnesses.

Mass shooter = mentally ill = people with mental illnesses are scary and should be locked up or forced to take meds, should be ineligible to vote or own guns.