FL - Mass Shooting at Pulse Nightclub, Orlando 12 June 2016 #4

[oceanblueeyes]

Thank you. I appreciate that. And it wasn't just you. I read a fair amount of comments yesterday. To me it was akin to the olden days of calling a person involved in civil rights an N lover.
And I hope I didn't offend, but it has been bugging me since yesterday and I felt it had to be said.

I hope I didn't offend you Kim. That was never my intentions or to offend anyone for that matter. I'm sorry that it upset you.

Oh goodness I would never say such words and didn't even in the civil rights days. That's horrible. They were innocent people and sure weren't terrorists.

However; as a Christian myself it doesn't bother me in the least when someone calls someone else a Christian radical or fanatical extremist when they are one. I know that doesn't apply to me. I hate extremism in any form. That's why it doesn't bother me and I always make the distinction between radical or an extremist Islamic when describing terrorists only

Now that you mention the civil rights days, I remember seeing a very pretty highly educated black woman on TV a few years back talking about the N word and how it didn't bother her at all because she knew she wasn't one. She said she sure knew they weren't talking about her.

Most everyone I have seen speak on the Islamic terrorist subject always makes sure to emphasize the radical part to make sure they are separating them from other Muslims who are not.

JMO though

 

[CARIIS]

0.01% according to the transcript of the show where it's expressed as 1/100th of 1% and typo'd so not easy to search for: "[FONT=&amp]around 1, 100th of 1 percent of Muslims around the world"[/FONT]

O/T

Do not do that to me !!! Can't even follow that!! In school I dispised those;

If Sally left Chicago at 9 PM and was going 34 MPH, and Johnny left New york at 10:30, going 45 mph, where and what time would Johnny and Sally meet?


Who cares!!!

 

[Jen Darme]

He has been there for years and still going strong. I think he is in his early sixties.

I have no idea who the female could have been. Maybe just a commenter and not a Fox regular. I cant think of an Anchor that has an accent with black hair.

The only reason CNN would ever have any video clip of Fox on is when it fits into their agenda to do so.

The point was to get the facts straight. From the transcript:

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[FONT=&amp]UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How many numbers are we talking about? The world has 1.6 billion Muslims. How many Muslims are we talking about?[/FONT]

[FONT=&amp]UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: 300 million people who are ready to strap bombs on their bodies and blow us all up to smithereens.[/FONT]

[FONT=&amp]ZAKARIA: 300 million Muslims ready to strap bombs to their bodies? Can that really be true? Donald Trump offers even higher percentages.[/FONT]

[FONT=&amp]TRUMP: It's 27 percent, could be 35 percent would go to war. The hatred is tremendous, Chris.[/FONT]

[FONT=&amp]ZAKARIA: Fox News Anchor Chris Wallace had just told the GOP frontrunner the facts.[/FONT]

[FONT=&amp]WALLACE: According to the best experts, you know, think times [tanks] all around the world, they say at most 100,000 people are fighting for Jihadist causes.[/FONT]

[FONT=&amp]ZAKARIA: Wallace is right, Trump is wrong. Scholars and experts we spoke to agree.

[/FONT]<snip>

[FONT=&amp]WALLACE: You're saying 253 million Muslims would go to war against us?[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]
TRUMP: Why don't you take a look at the Pew poll that came out very recently?

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[/FONT](They couldn't find the poll and displayed a statement from Pew that they've not issued such a poll.)

 

[Jen Darme]

O/T

Do not do that to me !!! Can't even follow that!! In school I dispised those;

If Sally left Chicago at 9 PM and was going 34 MPH, and Johnny left New york at 10:30, going 45 mph, where and what time would Johnny and Sally meet?


Who cares!!!

Sally and Johnny, assuming they were headed toward each other.

 

[CARIIS]

True, they don't even need a live body anymore. The ones watching and idolizing these terrorist probably don't even know he was killed nor would they care. They may think that is even more tantalizing because he was killed for the 'cause.'

Oh, I thought the media had been saying (The FBI stuff) that he had been interacting with him ! So when I heard that I thought give me a break news people.

Then I must admit , to amuse myself , I did think well he has demenstrated peroids of deluisional stuff so maybe , he spoke to him through his uncle Osama

 

[JLSChook]

The point was to get the facts straight. From the transcript:

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[FONT=&]UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How many numbers are we talking about? The world has 1.6 billion Muslims. How many Muslims are we talking about?[/FONT]

[FONT=&]UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: 300 million people who are ready to strap bombs on their bodies and blow us all up to smithereens.[/FONT]

[FONT=&]ZAKARIA: 300 million Muslims ready to strap bombs to their bodies? Can that really be true? Donald Trump offers even higher percentages.[/FONT]

[FONT=&]TRUMP: It's 27 percent, could be 35 percent would go to war. The hatred is tremendous, Chris.[/FONT]

[FONT=&]ZAKARIA: Fox News Anchor Chris Wallace had just told the GOP frontrunner the facts.[/FONT]

[FONT=&]WALLACE: According to the best experts, you know, think times [tanks] all around the world, they say at most 100,000 people are fighting for Jihadist causes.[/FONT]

[FONT=&]ZAKARIA: Wallace is right, Trump is wrong. Scholars and experts we spoke to agree.

[/FONT]<snip>

[FONT=&]WALLACE: You're saying 253 million Muslims would go to war against us?[/FONT]
[FONT=&]
TRUMP: Why don't you take a look at the Pew poll that came out very recently?

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[FONT=&]
[/FONT](They couldn't find the poll and displayed a statement from Pew that they've not issued such a poll.)

Those are opinions from talking heads, NOT facts.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

The point was to get the facts straight. From the transcript:

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[FONT=&]UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How many numbers are we talking about? The world has 1.6 billion Muslims. How many Muslims are we talking about?[/FONT]

[FONT=&]UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: 300 million people who are ready to strap bombs on their bodies and blow us all up to smithereens.[/FONT]

[FONT=&]ZAKARIA: 300 million Muslims ready to strap bombs to their bodies? Can that really be true? Donald Trump offers even higher percentages.[/FONT]

[FONT=&]TRUMP: It's 27 percent, could be 35 percent would go to war. The hatred is tremendous, Chris.[/FONT]

[FONT=&]ZAKARIA: Fox News Anchor Chris Wallace had just told the GOP frontrunner the facts.[/FONT]

[FONT=&]WALLACE: According to the best experts, you know, think times [tanks] all around the world, they say at most 100,000 people are fighting for Jihadist causes.[/FONT]

[FONT=&]ZAKARIA: Wallace is right, Trump is wrong. Scholars and experts we spoke to agree.

[/FONT]<snip>

[FONT=&]WALLACE: You're saying 253 million Muslims would go to war against us?[/FONT]
[FONT=&]
TRUMP: Why don't you take a look at the Pew poll that came out very recently?

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[FONT=&]
[/FONT](They couldn't find the poll and displayed a statement from Pew that they've not issued such a poll.)

I am not convinced that anyone knows what the true facts are. I have just read that they can take the words of the Qur'an and get away with hiding their religious beliefs and are told it is okay to lie, and deceive the infidels. So until we know just how many are hiding their fanatical beliefs the true facts will never be known.

 

[Jen Darme]

Those are opinions from talking heads, NOT facts.

Did you miss the referenced think tanks, scholars, and experts?

 

[CARIIS]

Could we knock off the calling of others as ISIS or Islamic sympathizers? Just because one won't use certain terminology such as Radical or Islamic in front of the word terrorist doesn't make them a supporter of terrorism and it is really offensive to other posters.
That is all. IMO

I an so glad you had the bs#ls to say that . It felt like some were calling me a terrorist!! I tend not sympathize with anyone who goes and blasts 100 people!

Might be vocationial , but I certainly have symptahty for those suffering with mental illiness, however.

And you put it so nice, casue that actually is the whole dialog here , order of the words!

 

[sonjay]

They have- and quit doing so for reason!! Not guilty your honor. That is how AMerica works!!

I think the simple numbers that clearly state that white domestic terrorists are killing more americans than anyone else is to close to home.

Let just go blow and murder (casue some of us are getting murdered) all Muslims.

That is totally ignoring the reality that people all over the world now want to kill us, is becasue we have been killing their families by thousands for what 15 years?

The cause of this, is we have been doing that. So if the solution is to ramp that up - the conclusion that would take care of the problem makes no sense IMO.

Lets pretend we go murder an entire race. To keep us safe. If we want to be safer numbers wise, we really should be killing all white american males between 19-25.

They are killing more than anyone else.

If we accept that that is the reality then it really comes down, to , for lack of a better word " our fault" as a society....................

check the statistics...

BBM. Oh, my, did you really write that? Oh my. Oh my goodness.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Those are opinions from talking heads, NOT facts.

Thank you. We really have no idea who all here has fanatical Islamic beliefs. I just read your chilling link and they can even support lying to the infidels about their beliefs by using their own bible's words to support those lies. THUD!!!! Christians are told to not lie. The Qur'an says its okey dokie to lie if they are among infidels and WE who are not Muslims are the infidels its talking about..

 

[DexterMorgan]

Imo. Omar being a bisexual islamic extreme radical, is similar to a person being black while being an extremist KKK member.

Jmo. The guy would obviously be somewhat hated on both sides Iregardless. Jmo.

There's no win all situation when dealing with the main principal of the group. Jmo

 

[kimlynn]

I hope I didn't offend you Kim. That was never my intentions or to offend anyone for that matter. I'm sorry that it upset you.

Oh goodness I would never say such words and didn't even in the civil rights days. That's horrible. They were innocent people and sure weren't terrorists.

However; as a Christian myself it doesn't bother me in the least when someone calls someone else a Christian radical or fanatical extremist when they are one. I know that doesn't apply to me. I hate extremism in any form. That's why it doesn't bother me and I always make the distinction between radical or an extremist Islamic when describing terrorists only

Now that you mention the civil rights days, I remember seeing a very pretty highly educated black woman on TV a few years back talking about the N word and how it didn't bother her at all because she knew she wasn't one. She said she sure knew they weren't talking about her.

Most everyone I have seen speak on the Islamic terrorist subject always makes sure to emphasize the radical part to make sure they are separating them from other Muslims who are not.

JMO though

I got it out of my system now.lol Truth be told I was more angry than offended because it seemed like taunting/name calling just based on posters having a different opinion than the majority.
I really expected the first words thrown out were going to be un American.
And I know that no one here would be in sympathy with the actions or events that took place in Orlando.
I enjoy posts that look at events in a different light because I can learn a lot by reading views that are different than my own.
So we're good and I appreciate your posts. IMO

 

[CARIIS]

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sfl-mateen-psychological-exam-report-correction-story.html

I find this odd: Nudelman said Friday that she had ceased doing work for the company on Jan. 1, 2006, more than a year before Mateen was reported to have been tested

I saw this . They were lying! After this came out - the came back out later and said oh clerical error, the 2nd time around there was no eval..

Then another explained that they do not do face to face evals. Its like a sheet of paper thing - kinda misses the nuances !! He did the paper thing the first time around!!

 

[ninij9]

Imo. Omar being a bisexual islamic extreme radical, is similar to a person being black while being an extremist KKK member.

Jmo. The guy would obviously be somewhat hated on both sides Iregardless. Jmo.

There's no win all situation when dealing with the main principal of the group. Jmo

Deleted. I didn't see the IMO part. &#128515;

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[oceanblueeyes]

Imo. Omar being a bisexual islamic extreme radical, is similar to a person being black while being an extremist KKK member.

Jmo. The guy would obviously be somewhat hated on both sides Iregardless. Jmo.

There's no win all situation when dealing with the main principal of the group. Jmo

How do we know he was bi-sexual or even gay?

The FBI has said they have found nothing on his phone that shows that to be true.

I really think he was such a loner and misfit that the gays accepted him when others wouldn't. They would know what it feels to be shunned in society by some and have compassion for him. Although even his gay friends thought he was very odd and strange telling one man I know of to keep away from him.

Also has anyone been able to verify if he was a regular at Pulse? The reason I ask, is the owner/manager said that wasn't true.

IMO

 

[CARIIS]

BBM. Oh, my, did you really write that? Oh my. Oh my goodness.

Yes! Some posters are saying kill every Muslim. Just taking that notion and saying well if that is the answer for this problem, . then it sounds as if ones answer to the average age of white shooters, then that would be the same solution for domestic terror.


I dont believe all Muslims are evil , in much they same way i do not beleive all in that age group are white terrorists.

 

[CARIIS]

Those are opinions from talking heads, NOT facts.

Thats her tho!

 

[JLSChook]

Did you miss the referenced think tanks, scholars, and experts?

Nope and I don't care. I have studied the Qur'an and Islam. There are so many more layers to the "facts" of Islam that it would be impossible to explained here in this forum.

The information (true fact) is out there for anyone to find, if they really wanted to.

 

[sonjay]

Yes! Some posters are saying kill every Muslim. Just taking that notion and saying well if that is the answer for this problem, . then it sounds as if ones answer to the average age of white shooters, then that would be the same solution for domestic terror.


I dont believe all Muslims are evil , in much they same way i do not beleive all in that age group are white terrorists.

I don't recall any poster here saying to kill every Muslim.

I did however see a poster say we should kill all white men.

I find that very disturbing.