FL - Mass Shooting at Pulse Nightclub, Orlando 12 June 2016 #4

[joedotnet]

Remember we get crazy Christians that kill people at abortion clinics too. Every religion has extremists and will do crazy stuff to support "their" cause.


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[CARIIS]

I don't recall any poster here saying to kill every Muslim.

I did however see a poster say we should kill all white men.

I find that very disturbing.

You missed them- your lucky! Others will remeber some of them yesterday

Are you saying you think I meant that? there are some folks that have used terminolgy like exterminate them, go over there and just blow up their country etc ec. There was something about a sewer or something .

Have no worries - it was an analogy, to some of those posts which I found very disturbing casue, unlike me they meant it literally.

I would hope most knew what I meant!

Thats not answer to the problem IMO!

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[CARIIS]

Nope and I don't care. I have studied the Qur'an and Islam. There are so many more layers to the "facts" of Islam that it would be impossible to explained here in this forum.

The information (true fact) is out there for anyone to find, if they really wanted to.

Would love to know what you think Om was in terms of trying to the answer to "why"?

 

[human]

Nope and I don't care. I have studied the Qur'an and Islam. There are so many more layers to the "facts" of Islam that it would be impossible to explained here in this forum.

The information (true fact) is out there for anyone to find, if they really wanted to.

Hm. So have I and I have a totally different view than you do. I suppose it is like Jehovah's Witnesses, different sects of the Lutheran church, Seventh Day Adventists, Mormons, Westboro Baptist, Catholic, Nazarene, Christian Scientist, and on and on and on. Different ideas. No driniking. The Sabbath is on Saturday. Everyone is going to die but them. And so on and so on.

There are the Shia and the Sunni. Perhaps others as well.Big difference in those starting at who is the successor. Kind of like it is with Catholics and Protestants. And sometimes that was a big deal like getting burned at the stake in England or having issues in Ireland.

 

[Jen Darme]

Nope and I don't care. I have studied the Qur'an and Islam. There are so many more layers to the "facts" of Islam that it would be impossible to explained here in this forum.

The information (true fact) is out there for anyone to find, if they really wanted to.

I suspect think tanks like the RAND corporation really wanted to. The Christian Science Monitor thought so, too: How many Muslim extremists are there? Just the facts, please.

 

[nomoresorrow]

BBM. Oh, my, did you really write that? Oh my. Oh my goodness.

Again, context is everything... NOW, in it's entirety; "Lets pretend we go murder an entire race. To keep us safe. If we want to be safer numbers wise, we really should be killing all white american males between 19-25."

It is an example of applying the same [twisted] logic, being expressed by many here toward Muslims, toward another segment of the population that is known to pose a tendency toward violence.


MO ~

 

[Magdalyn]

Could we knock off the calling of others as ISIS or Islamic sympathizers? Just because one won't use certain terminology such as Radical or Islamic in front of the word terrorist doesn't make them a supporter of terrorism and it is really offensive to other posters.
That is all. IMO

I'm sure you then can also agree the use of the terms Islamophic/Islomophobia, hate, hater, vitriol, and fear being bandied about as the assumed only possible explanation for opposing thoughts and opinions is also offensive.

 

[JLSChook]

I suspect think tanks like the RAND corporation really wanted to. The Christian Science Monitor thought so, too: How many Muslim extremists are there? Just the facts, please.

LOL! Believe what you want. As will I. Thanks.

 

[CARIIS]

How do we know he was bi-sexual or even gay?

The FBI has said they have found nothing on his phone that shows that to be true.

I really think he was such a loner and misfit that the gays accepted him when others wouldn't. They would know what it feels to be shunned in society by some and have compassion for him. Although even his gay friends thought he was very odd and strange telling one man I know of to keep away from him.

Also has anyone been able to verify if he was a regular at Pulse? The reason I ask, is the owner/manager said that wasn't true.

IMO

It feels congrunet IMO. Why would so many so that. They seemed authentic. And the guy on the sidewalk when he saw him and they said hi, and he knew it was him from Grindr, "casue of his eyes".

I am not sure how often , in the evening the owner would be in her bar tho!

What would a motive for a wide variety to make it up.

Cops claim they did see them going there once so it seems they knew where it was etc

Just little statements that were made , in my gay opinion(!) sound like how it works it that envorment.

Especially the drag queens. They do dittle dattle around the clubs and chit and chat with everyone, and would be able to see them standing around a show, casue of the lights during a show.

She said she saw him, and her lover who is also a perfomrer said the same tghibg, --one show hanging out with another dude - she described them as looking like they were have "a good time"with each other, and on another night she saw him dancing with another guy.

Several folks have said he had crusied them in the past. Some of the comments about his drinking behaviors match with the first wife.

Years ago- long post earlier-said that back then same thing when drunk, he had blackouts, and got really out of control.

Not being gross, but I think dried blood might really mess up a cell phone, like not compared to water.moo

 

[kimlynn]

I'm sure you then can also agree the use of the terms Islamophic/Islomophobia, hate, hater, vitriol, and fear being bandied about as the assumed only possible explanation for opposing thoughts and opinions is also offensive.

I agree but I didn't see any of those comments.I could only take exception to what I had seen last night and today. I can say if I had to make a choice I would rather be termed a hater than a terrorist sympathizer.

 

[JLSChook]

Not to stray too far O/T but while you're (collectively) researching actual facts about Islam, add RAND Corporation to your research list while you're at it.

Whew.

Have a great night all.

 

[sonjay]

Again, context is everything... NOW, in it's entirety; "Lets pretend we go murder an entire race. To keep us safe. If we want to be safer numbers wise, we really should be killing all white american males between 19-25."

It is an example of applying the same [twisted] logic, being expressed by many here toward Muslims, toward another segment of the population that is known to pose a tendency toward violence.


MO ~

How about let's NOT pretend we go murder an entire race. How about let's NOT say that we should really be killing all white american males between 19-25. How about that?

And since it was brought up, I would point out that white American males commit far less violence, per capita, than some other demographic groups.

 

[Jen Darme]

LOL! Believe what you want. As will I. Thanks.

I can't grant any credibility to statements accompanied with nothing more than "believe me," particularly when used in an attempt to discredit referenced data sets compiled by experts.

 

[ninij9]

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[sonjay]

I agree but I didn't see any of those comments.I could only take exception to what I had seen last night and today. I can say if I had to make a choice I would rather be termed a hater than a terrorist sympathizer.

Yeah, I would too. Haters only hate. Terrorist sympathizers support people who commit massacres like what we saw in Orlando. Being a hater isn't nearly as bad as being a terrorist sympathizer.

 

[CARIIS]

Thank you. We really have no idea who all here has fanatical Islamic beliefs. I just read your chilling link and they can even support lying to the infidels about their beliefs by using their own bible's words to support those lies. THUD!!!! Christians are told to not lie. The Qur'an says its okey dokie to lie if they are among infidels and WE who are not Muslims are the infidels its talking about..

Just like congress!!

I truly find this annoying. The "cable"news outlets are supposed to be news. Its Satruday, the biggest mass murder just occured. I think it is wrong for everyone to just go away, and they run regular junk.

And its even more creepy, it happens all the time stories, it is almost as if everyone else just stops doing their work too,

That many notbe true but it feels like that .Heck bring in Jr talent but to just vanish, Walter Cronkite would never do that!!

Are there other outlets still trying to get info out now that you know about guys? Now

Today it feels like we are back in Pike County - silence!

 

[JLSChook]

I can't grant any credibility to statements accompanied with nothing more than "believe me," particularly when used in an attempt to discredit referenced data sets compiled by experts.

Huh? I didn't say "believe me"...I said "believe what you want. As will I"

Your "experts" are not mine. We will agree to disagree.

Moving on.

 

[sonjay]

I can't grant any credibility to statements accompanied with nothing more than "believe me," particularly when used in an attempt to discredit referenced data sets compiled by experts.

So, if there are only 100,00 radical Muslims intent on destroying the rest of us, is that an acceptable number?

If each of them killed 50 people in a terrorist attack, that would be .... um.... a lot of dead people.

IF we accept that "low" estimate of only 100,000, IMO that's a few too many. JMO.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

How about let's NOT pretend we go murder an entire race. How about let's NOT say that we should really be killing all white american males between 19-25. How about that?

And since it was brought up, I would point out that white American males commit far less violence, per capita, than some other demographic groups.

Thanks. I thought for a second that the color of my skin, gender and nationality would cause me to suddenly go on a murderous rampage.

What is going on in this thread?

 

[CARIIS]

Yeah, I would too. Haters only hate. Terrorist sympathizers support people who commit massacres like what we saw in Orlando. Being a hater isn't nearly as bad as being a terrorist sympathizer.

I do not think there are terrorist sympathizers on this thread moo.

The purpose of the thread is to discuss the motivation--the why, and that is what we are doing

I do not think anyone is saying one way is better than the other - there are 100 people shot

In reality all it is word order.

There is no way IMO , that anyone would state a terrorist does not include hate, in much the same way a hater, who does things like this, does not end up terrorizing folks.

Of course this is terrorism- its its orgin that we are pondering