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Time will tell. And again the title/label only matters to me in the sense of stopping future attacks.
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FL - Mass Shooting at Pulse Nightclub, Orlando 12 June 2016 #4
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Time will tell. And again the title/label only matters to me in the sense of stopping future attacks.
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And those Islamic terrorist allegiances and resultant motivations caused the death of 49 people and the wounding of many more. JMO
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Agree. Too many folks are stating that Omar was definitely in the realm of the bisexual lifestyle.
I doubt they are all making it up. Jmo.
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He used these claims to bully and cause fear to his co-workers. I'm sure in his mind that these claims made him seem way more important than he really was.
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Yes, he referenced 3 different Islamic terrorist groups. I don't get how that translates into evidence that he wasn't an Islamic terrorist.
I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but don't all 3 of the Islamic terrorist groups that he referenced advocate killing infidels? In committing his act of Islamic terrorist, was he not furthering the goals of all 3 of those Islamic terrorist groups? How on earth could that possibly be considered evidence that he wasn't an Islamic terrorist? He was simply an ecumenical Islamic terrorist, IMO.
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But Jodie Foster never issued general orders to people to kill anyone in her name. ISIS does.
Jodie Foster was horrified. ISIS was pleased.
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I'm not sure what point your trying to make. Are you saying that killing innocent people in the name of religion is wrong? Or something else?
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If the Protestants and the Catholics were both calling for the killing of anyone who wasn't Christian, and he killed non-Christians in the name of the Protestants and Catholics, then yeah, it would make sense.
In this case, he was an Islamic terrorist.
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Ill repost this
Washington post was a really good long on depth piece!!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...229250-34a6-11e6-8758-d58e76e11b12_story.html
life punctuated by many such moments, outbursts when his insecurities and inner conflict erupted into rage
inner conflict seemed to explode again and again — not only at the training academy but also toward classmates, toward co-workers, toward his first wife and finally toward the 49 strangers he left massacred on the bloody floor of the Pulse nightclub.
debunk dad a raging terrorist
“an all-American family,”....
Very acclimated to Western culture :
“They were pretty moderate as Muslims,” she said. “None of the sisters or mom even wore a headscarf like some Muslims do.
unpredictable, angry and sometimes threatening. As Zaidi later recalled, “He had lots of issues for a long time.”
teachers had great difficulty with him.
“I do remember the teachers at the school wanting to get him help .
Mateen’s father dropped his son off at school every day,
What kind of help could that be? Only coclusion IMO is a series of teachers involved with the ill child were aware, via behaviors, that this was a trouble youth.
On Sept. 11, 2001, Mateen was 14 and a sophomore at the Spectrum alternative school, a campus in Stuart, Fla., for students with behavioral issues.
expelled from Martin County High ..... He was charged with battery and disturbing school functions.
claimed that Osama bin Laden was his uncle, said the classmate, whose account was corroborated by others.
. “But he talked about shooting AK-47s. . . .
the teacher grabbed him” and sent him to the dean’s office, he said.
Mateen’s father was called and came to pick him up. “I remember his dad walking up,” the classmate said. “And in the courtyard in front of everyone, the dad slapped him right across the face.”
Any clinican practicing today, when told a child had been whacked in public by law we would have call child protective services. Or risk losing our ability to practice. That is the law. SImply put it is child abuse- peroid. If the parent has no issue whacking their child across the face in public.....................we have a problem
who was overweight, often got picked on.
“He was brutally bullied,” years. “
He’d try to get a seat [on the bus]. Couldn’t get a seat. Someone would slap him on back of head.
Generates a lot of hate, no ISIS stuff himself.
Those who knew Mateen then said they saw nothing to suggest that he was especially religious or observant of his Muslim faith.
“I never saw signs of religious stuff. never saw signs of an extremist ideology and did not believe Mateen could have celebrated 9/11.
“I know Omar liked America,’’ he said. “Omar explained the Muslim religion to me. He didn’t go crazy into it. It was just some of the things his culture does, the food they eat. Nothing radical Islam at all.’’
His parents
Mateen’s father, grandiose notions of his own influence in Afghanistan and has expressed contradictory views on Afghan politics and the Taliban, e
sometimes posing in military fatigues or acting as if he is the Afghan president.
Barnett Rubin, an Afghanistan specialist at New York University who has served as an adviser to the State Department, described Mateen as “delusional.”
“He has no coherent message,” Barnett said. .........no political significance in Afghanistan.”
......... in private, there were signs of domestic discord. In December 2000
elder Mateen called police to report that during an argument, his wife had cursed at him, pulled his hair and pinched his bicep, leaving a red mark, according to a police report. Shahla Mateen was charged with domestic battery,
(lots of violence growing up)
a young man without much direction.
At the same time, Mateen changed his name. ..... more in keeping with modern Afghan and American style.
......Mateen hung out at the mall with an openly gay former classmate, Samuel King, and many of King’s gay friends.
(Typical age sexual identy develops)
Margaret Barone, a former manager .” She said she and other employees always assumed Mateen was gay.
She remembered Mateen and other employees talking about drugs they had taken and Mateen saying that he had taken ecstasy. ...drink to the point of blacking out.
Violate one of the Muslim rules I think. Defiant.
‘He gets too crazy. He blacks out. He starts fighting. He didn’t care whether he got beat up or killed, the way he was acting.’ ”
He wanted to be a police officer. He seemed almost obsessed by it, Manicky thinking patterns
He enrolled at Indian River Community College with a 2.76 grade-point average, including a C in a class on “deviant behavior.”
lasted only a few months. ....because of the alarming threats he made More impulse control problesm the training academy.
out for the gun threat in the jumpy days after the Virginia Tech shooting.
While working as a guard, Mateen was captured on a hidden camera for a 2012 documentary about the BP oil spill. “Everybody’s just out to get paid. ...he said with biting cynicism. “
....he wasn’t quite a police officer, but nobody was pushing him around anymore.
Mateen also found a wife.
Sounds like finding your car keys!
Sitora Yusifiy, a New Jersey real estate agent
Yusifiy said Mateen was not a devout Muslim she never saw signs that he held radical beliefs.
Noor Zahi Salman, ........ethnically diverse, middle-class neighborhood of manicured ranches and split-level homes.
A neighbor recalled Salman as friendly, stylish and outgoing and.... described them as “modern Muslims.”
Remain western lifestyle
......... Salman’s second marriage.
Debunk next rumor
made two religious pilgrimages to Saudi Arabia, in 2011 and 2012, said Saudi Foreign Minister Adel al-Jubeir on Friday, but “there was nothing derogatory in terms of how” he participated in Muslim rituals.
Second time FBI found nothing.
occasionally attended the Islamic Center of Fort Pierce,son.
“He was the most quiet guy — he never talked to anyone,” “He would come and pray and leave.”
Here comes the increasing depression
University of Florida senior who declined to provide his first name, recalled Mateen as an “aggressive person.”
friends and co-workers wondered whether Mateen was gay. Some simply assumed it. ...... college told the Palm Beach Post that he believed Mateen was gay and that Mateen once tried to pick him up at a bar.
The classmate, who is gay but was not out yet in 2006, go to gay nightclubs after classes. On one such evening, the classmate said, “He said, ‘Well if you were gay, you would be my type.’
Sexual identity continues to develop
David Gonzalez, 34, a gay man “in a certain way like he wanted me to approach him. He knew I was gay.”
Generally we know when we are being cruised
enraged a few months earlier at the sight of a pair of gay men being affectionate with each other.
“We were in downtown Miami,
I did not realize dad was actually with him. I am gonna show my dad how gay I am not?
.......on gay dating apps such as Jack’d.
Mateen tried to flirt with him but he was not interested. “It was the picture of him wearing a tie,” Cedeno said. “I blocked him.”
My brief exposure to Grindr my 22 year old neidghbor - folks are typically not in ties , trust me!!
In 2013, he told co-workers that he had family connections to al-Qaeda and was a member of Hezbollah
Judgement capabilites declining
To those familiar with the Middle East, those claims are contradictory — the two groups are bitter enemies.
Makes totally no sense! Dont know football but that is like (lets say whoever is doing the superbowl to say your rooting for both teams.
Mateen also told them that he had mutual acquaintances with the Tsarnaev brothers
Nope per FBI
Delusional -pathological liar?
FBI recording his calls and using confidential informants to gauge whether he had been radicalized.
statements in anger because his co-workers were teasing him about being a Muslim and he felt discriminated against. bureau officials were satisfied that Mateen had “said these things to try to freak out his co-workers,”
Again, just like the 911 stuff, ,media reported this in a totally different. People today still are saying he was connected to Boston guys?
Next FBI an American who flew to Syria in 2014, burned his U.S. passport and blew himself and others up in a suicide operation for an al-Qaeda affiliate.
Officials, however, said they did not find any significant ties
Again media still throwing around he had ties with a suicidal terrorist.
Investigators tracing the *often-conflicting details of Mateen’s life are still struggling with the “why” ’s troubled mind?
The “why” is elusive, Last Friday, June 10, Mateen went to the Fort Pierce mosque to pray and spent more than an hour there with his 3-year-old son.
Suicide prep ?
.
“America and Russia stop bombing the Islamic state,”
Kind of a reasonable request
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/troubled-quiet-macho-angry-the-volatile-life-of-omar-mateen/2016/06/17/15229250-34a6-11e6-8758-d58e76e11b12_story.html
Washington post was a really good long on depth piece!!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...229250-34a6-11e6-8758-d58e76e11b12_story.html
life punctuated by many such moments, outbursts when his insecurities and inner conflict erupted into rage
inner conflict seemed to explode again and again — not only at the training academy but also toward classmates, toward co-workers, toward his first wife and finally toward the 49 strangers he left massacred on the bloody floor of the Pulse nightclub.
debunk dad a raging terrorist
“an all-American family,”....
Very acclimated to Western culture :
“They were pretty moderate as Muslims,” she said. “None of the sisters or mom even wore a headscarf like some Muslims do.
unpredictable, angry and sometimes threatening. As Zaidi later recalled, “He had lots of issues for a long time.”
teachers had great difficulty with him.
“I do remember the teachers at the school wanting to get him help .
Mateen’s father dropped his son off at school every day,
What kind of help could that be? Only coclusion IMO is a series of teachers involved with the ill child were aware, via behaviors, that this was a trouble youth.
On Sept. 11, 2001, Mateen was 14 and a sophomore at the Spectrum alternative school, a campus in Stuart, Fla., for students with behavioral issues.
expelled from Martin County High ..... He was charged with battery and disturbing school functions.
claimed that Osama bin Laden was his uncle, said the classmate, whose account was corroborated by others.
. “But he talked about shooting AK-47s. . . .
the teacher grabbed him” and sent him to the dean’s office, he said.
Mateen’s father was called and came to pick him up. “I remember his dad walking up,” the classmate said. “And in the courtyard in front of everyone, the dad slapped him right across the face.”
Any clinican practicing today, when told a child had been whacked in public by law we would have call child protective services. Or risk losing our ability to practice. That is the law. SImply put it is child abuse- peroid. If the parent has no issue whacking their child across the face in public.....................we have a problem
who was overweight, often got picked on.
“He was brutally bullied,” years. “
He’d try to get a seat [on the bus]. Couldn’t get a seat. Someone would slap him on back of head.
Generates a lot of hate, no ISIS stuff himself.
Those who knew Mateen then said they saw nothing to suggest that he was especially religious or observant of his Muslim faith.
“I never saw signs of religious stuff. never saw signs of an extremist ideology and did not believe Mateen could have celebrated 9/11.
“I know Omar liked America,’’ he said. “Omar explained the Muslim religion to me. He didn’t go crazy into it. It was just some of the things his culture does, the food they eat. Nothing radical Islam at all.’’
His parents
Mateen’s father, grandiose notions of his own influence in Afghanistan and has expressed contradictory views on Afghan politics and the Taliban, e
sometimes posing in military fatigues or acting as if he is the Afghan president.
Barnett Rubin, an Afghanistan specialist at New York University who has served as an adviser to the State Department, described Mateen as “delusional.”
“He has no coherent message,” Barnett said. .........no political significance in Afghanistan.”
......... in private, there were signs of domestic discord. In December 2000
elder Mateen called police to report that during an argument, his wife had cursed at him, pulled his hair and pinched his bicep, leaving a red mark, according to a police report. Shahla Mateen was charged with domestic battery,
(lots of violence growing up)
a young man without much direction.
At the same time, Mateen changed his name. ..... more in keeping with modern Afghan and American style.
......Mateen hung out at the mall with an openly gay former classmate, Samuel King, and many of King’s gay friends.
(Typical age sexual identy develops)
Margaret Barone, a former manager .” She said she and other employees always assumed Mateen was gay.
She remembered Mateen and other employees talking about drugs they had taken and Mateen saying that he had taken ecstasy. ...drink to the point of blacking out.
Violate one of the Muslim rules I think. Defiant.
‘He gets too crazy. He blacks out. He starts fighting. He didn’t care whether he got beat up or killed, the way he was acting.’ ”
He wanted to be a police officer. He seemed almost obsessed by it, Manicky thinking patterns
He enrolled at Indian River Community College with a 2.76 grade-point average, including a C in a class on “deviant behavior.”
lasted only a few months. ....because of the alarming threats he made More impulse control problesm the training academy.
out for the gun threat in the jumpy days after the Virginia Tech shooting.
While working as a guard, Mateen was captured on a hidden camera for a 2012 documentary about the BP oil spill. “Everybody’s just out to get paid. ...he said with biting cynicism. “
....he wasn’t quite a police officer, but nobody was pushing him around anymore.
Mateen also found a wife.
Sounds like finding your car keys!
Sitora Yusifiy, a New Jersey real estate agent
Yusifiy said Mateen was not a devout Muslim she never saw signs that he held radical beliefs.
Noor Zahi Salman, ........ethnically diverse, middle-class neighborhood of manicured ranches and split-level homes.
A neighbor recalled Salman as friendly, stylish and outgoing and.... described them as “modern Muslims.”
Remain western lifestyle
......... Salman’s second marriage.
Debunk next rumor
made two religious pilgrimages to Saudi Arabia, in 2011 and 2012, said Saudi Foreign Minister Adel al-Jubeir on Friday, but “there was nothing derogatory in terms of how” he participated in Muslim rituals.
Second time FBI found nothing.
occasionally attended the Islamic Center of Fort Pierce,son.
“He was the most quiet guy — he never talked to anyone,” “He would come and pray and leave.”
Here comes the increasing depression
University of Florida senior who declined to provide his first name, recalled Mateen as an “aggressive person.”
friends and co-workers wondered whether Mateen was gay. Some simply assumed it. ...... college told the Palm Beach Post that he believed Mateen was gay and that Mateen once tried to pick him up at a bar.
The classmate, who is gay but was not out yet in 2006, go to gay nightclubs after classes. On one such evening, the classmate said, “He said, ‘Well if you were gay, you would be my type.’
Sexual identity continues to develop
David Gonzalez, 34, a gay man “in a certain way like he wanted me to approach him. He knew I was gay.”
Generally we know when we are being cruised
enraged a few months earlier at the sight of a pair of gay men being affectionate with each other.
“We were in downtown Miami,
I did not realize dad was actually with him. I am gonna show my dad how gay I am not?
.......on gay dating apps such as Jack’d.
Mateen tried to flirt with him but he was not interested. “It was the picture of him wearing a tie,” Cedeno said. “I blocked him.”
My brief exposure to Grindr my 22 year old neidghbor - folks are typically not in ties , trust me!!
In 2013, he told co-workers that he had family connections to al-Qaeda and was a member of Hezbollah
Judgement capabilites declining
To those familiar with the Middle East, those claims are contradictory — the two groups are bitter enemies.
Makes totally no sense! Dont know football but that is like (lets say whoever is doing the superbowl to say your rooting for both teams.
Mateen also told them that he had mutual acquaintances with the Tsarnaev brothers
Nope per FBI
Delusional -pathological liar?
FBI recording his calls and using confidential informants to gauge whether he had been radicalized.
statements in anger because his co-workers were teasing him about being a Muslim and he felt discriminated against. bureau officials were satisfied that Mateen had “said these things to try to freak out his co-workers,”
Again, just like the 911 stuff, ,media reported this in a totally different. People today still are saying he was connected to Boston guys?
Next FBI an American who flew to Syria in 2014, burned his U.S. passport and blew himself and others up in a suicide operation for an al-Qaeda affiliate.
Officials, however, said they did not find any significant ties
Again media still throwing around he had ties with a suicidal terrorist.
Investigators tracing the *often-conflicting details of Mateen’s life are still struggling with the “why” ’s troubled mind?
The “why” is elusive, Last Friday, June 10, Mateen went to the Fort Pierce mosque to pray and spent more than an hour there with his 3-year-old son.
Suicide prep ?
.
“America and Russia stop bombing the Islamic state,”
Kind of a reasonable request
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/troubled-quiet-macho-angry-the-volatile-life-of-omar-mateen/2016/06/17/15229250-34a6-11e6-8758-d58e76e11b12_story.html
That is not my point. My point is he was living a delusion that he was some great martyr. Holmes was obsessed with BatMan. It is the same kind of thing. They live in their minds.
We are getting mass shootings every two months now, Why are people so freaked about ISIS when the numerous other mass shootings had nothing to do with ISIS.
Why not be more afraid of the white kid shooting up malls, theatres, schools, etc etc efc. And throw in some old guys too that did some shooting. Why go so freaked out over this one?
The goals of some of these shooters is to get a higher and higher body count. Now there is a new benchmark to surpass.
Somewhere out there is a new shooter planning to right his wrongs by shooting up something else. Probably someplace no one has contemplated.
They were killing each other, if you recall.
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Well, we've got Jodie Foster, we've got Catholics & Protestants, we've got murderous toddlers. What we don't have is an Islamic terrorist killing people in an act of Islamic terrorism, despite telling 911 that's what he was doing.
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Yes, I know, and that's why your question didn't make any sense at all.
Mateen killed infidels in the name of several different Islamic terrorist groups that all want to kill infidels. Your attempted analogy doesn't hold up.
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Is that what you think human meant? I can't understand why Protestants and Catholics would want to kill non-Christians during the Northern Ireland conflict.
I'm missing something.
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My pc is really lagging but I think what some are trying to convey is that he was playing tough guy (to scare co-workers) and there was found to be no truth at the time to his claims of belonging to these groups.
Was this last act more of the same and in truth what does it matter beyond finding out to stop future attacks if he was telling the truth.
OM was saying he was killing for groups that hate each other, just like the Protestants and Catholics hated each other in Ireland. Would it make sense that one would be a martyr for both? I am simply trying to make an anaolgy.
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There are different threads for those killers. You can use the search box at the upper right of the page to find them. This thread is about the Islamic terrorist act by the Islamic terrorist Omar Mateen.
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But your analogy doesn't work. See my previous post.
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