FL - Mass Shooting at Pulse Nightclub, Orlando 12 June 2016 #4

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Speak up if you know anyone talking this stuff or feels wronged by others while being in our country. jmo

Dad had the biggest influence on these horrible horrible murders, so far. Bad, bad kid in school. Bully.

jmo
 
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Speak up if you know anyone talking this stuff or feels wronged by others while being in our country. jmo

Dad had the biggest influence on these horrible horrible murders, so far. Bad, bad kid in school. Bully.

jmo

True of the other shooters as well. Some people have spoken up and stopped shooters
 
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Speak up if you know anyone talking this stuff or feels wronged by others while being in our country. jmo

Dad had the biggest influence on these horrible horrible murders, so far. Bad, bad kid in school. Bully.

jmo

BBM
Does the US have one of these? A National Security hotline designed strictly for the public to report on suspicious terror-related activities. We see regular public service announcements about it, encouraging us to contact them. It has apparently been useful to our authorities.


"..... with callers providing information on the use of websites or social media platforms promoting violent extremist ideology, suspicious travel planning, and reports from people concerned that someone they know is becoming radicalised towards violent extremism.
Even if you think it’s probably nothing, the smallest piece of information can be valuable. If something doesn’t add up, speak up by calling the National Security Hotline on 1800 123 400."


https://www.nationalsecurity.gov.au/WhatAustraliaisdoing/Pages/TheNationalSecurityHotline.aspx
 
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Did ISIS ever claim credit for San Bernardino?

This CBS article differs somewhat from the NY Times article posted upthread by Everday Grace:

from:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/san-bernardino-shooting-isis-tashfeen-malik-pledge-allegiance/

Last Updated Dec 5, 2015 7:57 PM EST

The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria's official radio station has aired a statement saying the San Bernardino mass shooting was carried out by two "supporters" of the extremist group.

While praising the attack, the group stopped short of claiming responsibility for it. The Al-Bayan report Saturday echoed a claim carried Friday by the ISIS-affiliated Aamaq news agency.
 
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BBM
Does the US have one of these? A National Security hotline designed strictly for the public to report on suspicious terror-related activities. We see regular public service announcements about it, encouraging us to contact them. It has apparently been useful to our authorities.


"..... with callers providing information on the use of websites or social media platforms promoting violent extremist ideology, suspicious travel planning, and reports from people concerned that someone they know is becoming radicalised towards violent extremism.
Even if you think it’s probably nothing, the smallest piece of information can be valuable. If something doesn’t add up, speak up by calling the National Security Hotline on 1800 123 400."


https://www.nationalsecurity.gov.au/WhatAustraliaisdoing/Pages/TheNationalSecurityHotline.aspx

I never heard of something like that here in the US. I assume that we are to use 911.
 
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That same article goes on to say that the English version differed from the Arabic version:

In the Arabic version, the assailants are referred to as “supporters” of the caliphate, a term denoting a less direct connection to the terrorist group.

It was unclear why the two versions differed.

[...]

The Islamic State has instructed those who wish to act in its name to publicly pledge allegiance to the group before carrying out any attack. Such a pledge has sometimes been the only visible link between the attacker and the terrorist group.
 
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One of the [San Bernadino] attackers, Tashfeen Malik, posted her “bayat,” or oath of allegiance to the Islamic State, on a Facebook page moments before the attack began.

The Islamic State has instructed those who wish to act in its name to publicly pledge allegiance to the group before carrying out any attack. Such a pledge has sometimes been the only visible link between the attacker and the terrorist group.

In the Texas attack, Mr. Simpson posted his oath on Twitter as he was driving to the site, and he asked his followers to follow Junaid Hussein, a well-known member of the Islamic State, who continued posting messages on Twitter after Mr. Simpson and Mr. Soofi were killed.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/12/06/world/middleeast/islamic-state-san-bernardino-massacre.html

On the day of his rampage at a gay nightclub, the Orlando shooter posted messages on Facebook pledging allegiance to the leader of the Islamic State and vowing that there would be more attacks in the coming days by the group in the United States, according to a letter sent to Facebook on Wednesday by Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.), chairman of the Senate Homeland Security Committee.

“America and Russia stop bombing the Islamic state..I pledge my alliance to [Islamic State leader] abu bakr al Baghdadi ..may Allah accept me,” Omar Mateen wrote, according to the letter, which requested Facebook’s assistance in the investigation into the shooting that resulted in 49 deaths.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...eccf5e-3333-11e6-8758-d58e76e11b12_story.html
 
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I feel if ISIS encourages people to kill innocent people then they are responsible whether they publicly announce it or not.

JMO
 
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There are people in this world who are purely evil... right down to their core. Period. End of sentence.

Many people seem to be in denial about this. Because the notion that the majority of terrorists are mentally ill and have bipolar disorder is completely and utterly ridiculous.

I think that by definition, ANYONE that wants to shoot/stab/behead random people , and follows through on that urge, has mental health issues. Maybe I am wrong. But I think you are possibly mentally ill if you can actually behead someone for religious or political reasons. I don't understand why that is a ridiculous assertion.

My younger brother is schizophrenic/bipolar. He lived in a group home for decades. I had Sunday dinner there many times. People living there were almost always on working meds and were pretty stable and steady. But there were back stories about how they ended up there, during times they were off their meds, or untreated. And it often involved doing desperate, impulsive and violent things based on passionate beliefs or notions. My brother is 'violently' a vegetarian. When he is off his meds, he threatens to harm anyone physically that he sees eating meat. Says he is going to stab them with a steak knife and see how they feel. He has been pulled off people before when making that threat.

He is adamant about his beliefs in a rather extreme, desperate, aggressive way. In some ways he could be labeled a terrorist. He is on his meds and they have been working for decades,, thank goodness.
 
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I never heard of something like that here in the US. I assume that we are to use 911.

It would appear so.

https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something

Truthfully, I would not call 911 in my home location to report something suspicious unless I felt it was an immediate public safety issue.

Otherwise, I am all too aware of what would not happen out of my local 911 dispatchers.

I would be more inclined to take this route:

Report Threats and Crime

General Public

Members of the public can report violations of U.S. federal law or suspected terrorism or criminal activity as follows:

Contact us online

  • Use our Online Tips and Public Leads form to report information on criminal activity and suspected terrorist threats
  • Report cyber crimes by filing a complaint with our Internet Crime Complaint Center

Contact us via telephone or mail

  • Contact your local FBI office or closest international office
  • Call 1-800-CALLFBI (225-5324) for the Major Case Contact Center
  • Call (866) 720-5721 to report fraud, waste, and abuse involving disaster relief to the National Center for Disaster Fraud or write to NCDF, Baton Rouge, LA 70821-4909.

https://m.fbi.gov/#https://www.fbi.gov/report-threats-and-crime

JMO, but the DHS "See something, say something" page could be more helpful than just saying "call 911."
 
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I think that by definition, ANYONE that wants to shoot/stab/behead random people , and follows through on that urge, has mental health issues. Maybe I am wrong. But I think you are possibly mentally ill if you can actually behead someone for religious or political reasons. I don't understand why that is a ridiculous assertion.

My younger brother is schizophrenic/bipolar. He lived in a group home for decades. I had Sunday dinner there many times. People living there were almost always on working meds and were pretty stable and steady. But there were back stories about how they ended up there, during times they were off their meds, or untreated. And it often involved doing desperate, impulsive and violent things based on passionate beliefs or notions. My brother is 'violently' a vegetarian. When he is off his meds, he threatens to harm anyone physically that he sees eating meat. Says he is going to stab them with a steak knife and see how they feel. He has been pulled off people before when making that threat.

He is adamant about his beliefs in a rather extreme, desperate, aggressive way. In some ways he could be labeled a terrorist. He is on his meds and they have been working for decades,, thank goodness.

Normal people will not kill or physically harm innocent people who are minding their own business, living their lives.

This miscreant radical Islamic terrorist may have had some mental heath issues. I don't know if that's true yet. If it's somehow found that he had some mental health problems do you feel that his acts are justified because of that?

If he had survived would a mental health defense be appropriate?
 
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How many of the past terrorists have been bi-polar? I am going to go out on a limb and say the majority of them.
I think Omar Mateen is more of a malignant narcissist and psychopath.

He is more like Eric Harris, Elliot Rodger, Andrew Cunanan, Jerry Sandusky, Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, or Saddam Hussein.
ITA, HMSHood. IMO, Narcissism is a much more likely. I'm not at all saying that it's impossible for terrorists/mass shooters to ever have history of bi-polar disorder. It is just my thought that NPD is the main cause in the majority of cases, although other mental disorders could be comorbid with the NPD. Again, this is just my opinion.

I dont consider middle eastern to be white.
The U.S. Census Bureau must adhere to the 1997 Office of Management and Budget (OMB) standards on race and ethnicity which guide the Census Bureau in classifying written responses to the race question:
White – A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa.
http://www.census.gov/topics/population/race/about.html
So you personally may not consider Middle-Easterners white, heck, a lot of us might not. But, the government does.

How many per minute?
Judging by this video, I would guess around 2 or 3 per second, so around 120-180 shots per minute.
[video]https://youtu.be/zmyluo3aT0Y?t=6m11s[/video]

-snip-

Some other takes on it...

The term "bipolar" has become a colloquialism. It has come to mean someone who is irritable, has frequent mood swings, outbursts of rage, lacks restraint. Urban Dictionary offers this definition -- "(d)escribes one who has bipolar disorder. This disorder causes the person to have mood swings frequently, usually triggered by something small."
But that's not bipolar disorder. Bipolar disorder is not outbursts of anger. In fact, when someone has daily mood swings from minute to minute with trivial triggers, bipolar disorder is a pretty unlikely diagnosis.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/15/opini...florida-shooting-hossein-girgis-khan-pastula/
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BBM
Very true. I see this as well with OCD. Whenever somebody says "I'm so OCD about my makeup, it has to look perfect every time!" I'm like, really? :burn: Mental illness is not an adjective!!!!

“My message today is love your brother, love your neighbor. Don’t judge them,” said Zanis.
http://miami.cbslocal.com/2016/06/1...inois-to-orlando-and-builds-special-memorial/
I'm sure this has already been posted and I just didn't remember it, but on the off chance it hasn't, I think we should all be aware of what a truly beautiful person this guy is. He's made crosses not only for the Pulse victims, but also the Aurora victims and many other tragedies across the country. After Mr Zanis has taken the time to craft a cross and write the name of a victim, and then drive 1,200 miles to lovingly arrange the crosses so everyone can see that these were real people, not just a collective number, the families must be beyond touched. It's crazy how such truly wonderful and good people can co-exist with such hateful, sadistic, evil, pieces of dung like OM.
 
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Normal people will not kill or physically harm innocent people who are minding their own business, living their lives.

This miscreant radical Islamic terrorist may have had some mental heath issues. I don't know if that's true yet. If it's somehow found that he had some mental health problems do you feel that his acts are justified because of that?

If he had survived would a mental health defense be appropriate?

No, because he was not 'insane' nor unable to comprehend that what he was doing was wrong.
 
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I've seen so many different posts trying to deflect from what reality is in this case that I've lost track.

I can't wait for the next one.

deflecting or coddling?
 
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I never heard of something like that here in the US. I assume that we are to use 911.

I haven't either.

I wouldn't assume that we should use 911, though, unless the attack was occurring at that very moment. I would probably call the nearest FBI office.
 
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It would appear so.

https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something

Truthfully, I would not call 911 in my home location to report something suspicious unless I felt it was an immediate public safety issue.

Otherwise, I am all too aware of what would not happen out of my local 911 dispatchers.

I would be more inclined to take this route:



https://m.fbi.gov/#https://www.fbi.gov/report-threats-and-crime

JMO, but the DHS "See something, say something" page could be more helpful than just saying "call 911."

I found that page pretty unhelpful. It does tell us "If there's an emergency call 911."

It tells us "Report suspicious activity to local law enforcement." I should call the little PD in my little town? Really? I would think the FBI would a more appropriate agency to call if I'm aware of someone whom I suspect to be a terrorist.
 
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There are things we can do to hopefully stop some mass shooters made in the USA.

One of them is to treat students differently in school. It would be good if we could get parenting classes as well, but most kids are in school so that is one place they can be influenced.

Instead of wringing our hands and railing at some person, group or ideology, I think these approaches could change a whole lot of things.

https://acestoohigh.com
 
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There are things we can do to hopefully stop some mass shooters made in the USA.

One of them is to treat students differently in school. It would be good if we could get parenting classes as well, but most kids are in school so that is one place they can be influenced.

Instead of wringing our hands and railing at some person, group or ideology, I think these approaches could change a whole lot of things.

https://acestoohigh.com

BBM, and what exactly would you suggest? To me the article was nothing more than a compilation of thoughts, ideas and how things could/should work in a perfect world. I think parenting classes would be much more to the point.
 
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