FL - Mass Shooting at Pulse Nightclub, Orlando 12 June 2016 #4

[Cryptic]

I think his boasts overstated his Islamic terrorist connections, but I think they stated the truth of his allegiances and his motivation for the Islamic terrorist attack that he committed.

Well said.

At the end of the day, my bet is that OM is an example of somebody responding to a call for "leaderless resistance" attacks. In these types of attacks, the call (ISIS propaganda) is very clear. Those independently responding to the call, however, can have mixed motivations. varying levels of intelligence, and varying degrees of emotional stability. But... they all respond to the call in their own way and the call is their main motivation.

As a side note, leaderless resistance terror attacks are very hard to stop because there is no leader, large formal groups etc. In addition, leaderless resistance as a concept was first advocated by far right and far left activists here in the USA. For example, Earth First has made such calls for attacks against property (they just have not had that many takers). As with ISIS, those responding to Earth First calls have had varied levels of brain power.

 

[human]

There is a lot to read on there re the adverse childhood experiences . There is a ton of research listed throughout .

Here is an easy one. There are also many articles there on dealing with children's violence in a different way than punishment and shame, The body releases cortisol in response to threats. This high cortisol level is of tremendous concern re health issues as well as to how people respond when threatened. These ideas are not just thoughts. They are researched using things such as brain scans,

Anyway, here is one thing being done

https://acestoohigh.com/2012/04/23/...oach-to-school-discipline-expulsions-drop-85/

 

[human]

Childhood abuse has tremendous impacts on adult health

http://www.ajpmonline.org/article/S0749-3797(98)00017-8/abstract

 

[human]

Scary research. If you want to really be scared, see what kinds of things childhood abuse impacts as well.

https://acestoohigh.com/research/

 

[Elley Mae]

Once, in third grade, instead of singing "Mariposa, Mariposa" in the school song, Mateen sang "Marijuana, marijuana," according to records.

bbm

http://www.news-press.com/story/news/2016/06/15/orlando-shooter-omar-mateen-school-records/85945400/

G4S was aware of the FBI investigation, but it never knew of alleged connections between Mateen and terrorists, according to the company's statement.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/florida/fl-omar-mateen-fdle-records-20160616-story.html

Mateen’s first language was Farsi, which was primarily spoken at home, according to records.

http://www.tcpalm.com/news/crime/st...k-to-elementary-school-35548e3-383167571.html

In December 1995, while in fourth grade, Mateen was referred to a student study team — comprising a teacher, psychologist, guidance counselor and parent — for continuing to hit students, talking out in class and screaming at teachers and fellow students, according to records.

http://www.tcpalm.com/news/crime/st...k-to-elementary-school-35548e3-383167571.html

In the years since, other people reported having disturbing run-ins with Omar Mateen, including a bartender who said he stalked her nearly a decade ago and sent so many uncomfortable Facebook messages that she blocked him on the social network.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-omar-mateen-20160617-story.html

A third-grade teacher wrote that he was "very active ... constantly moving, verbally abusive, rude, aggressive." The teacher described "much talk about violence & sex," with Mateen's "hands all over the place - on other children, in his mouth."

bbm

In 10th grade, he received a five-day suspension on Sept. 13, 2001 - two days after the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon.

The records offer no details except to call it a "rule violation." But in recent media reports, classmates have said it was because he celebrated the attacks.

Mateen was removed from an assignment at the St. Lucie County courthouse in 2013 after he made inflammatory comments about women, Jews and a shooting at Fort Hood, Sheriff Ken Mascara said.

 

[human]

Here is a ton of info, research, info on toxic stressors, and interventions that could have helped a student like OM , past shooters, and future shooters.

https://acestoohigh.com/aces-101/

 

[sonjay]

Here is a ton of info, research, info on toxic stressors, and interventions that could have helped a student like OM , past shooters, and future shooters.

https://acestoohigh.com/aces-101/

ACEs are common…nearly two-thirds (64%) of adults have at least one.

the 17,000 ACE Study participants were mostly white, middle- and upper-middle class, college-educated, and all had jobs and great health care (they were all members of Kaiser Permanente).

Have there been any studies done on interventions that might help stop someone who self-identifies as an Islamic terrorist from committing Islamic terrorist attacks?

 

[CARIIS]

“In the next few days you will see attacks from the Islamic state in the usa.”
FBI officials say they have found no evidence of a larger plot, or any evidence that Mateen had any previous contact or support with Islamic State or other terrorist groups.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/sfl-orlando-shooting-facebook-posts-20160616-story.html

 

[human]

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Have there been any studies done on interventions that might help stop someone who self-identifies as an Islamic terrorist from committing Islamic terrorist attacks?

I think the stressors that he had are identified in the studies. And it as reported that middle
Eastern is considered white ( some post here in the last day) . He was certainly from a well to do family.

The stressors can result in health issues. One is obesity which apparently he had as a child. Hence the focus in his apoearance with exercise,

Another possible impact from stressors is violence. No need to expand on that.

Another possible impact is alcoholism. Sounds like he may have issues there.

So, yes, the interventions could have helped him. Shame and punishment only increases the disfunction ,

 

[sonjay]

I think the stressors that he had are identified in the studies. And it as reported that middle
Eastern is considered white ( some post here in the last day) . He was certainly from a well to do family.

The stressors can result in health issues. One is obesity which apparently he had as a child. Hence the focus in his apoearance with exercise,

Another possible impact from stressors is violence. No need to expand on that.

Another possible impact is alcoholism. Sounds like he may have issues there.

So, yes, the interventions could have helped him. Shame and punishment only increases the disfunction ,

I looked through the site you linked. I saw lots of references to their study that focused primarily on white middle- and upper-class college educated people.

I saw nothing about anything discussing Islamic terrorism.

I believe it's naive to think that we can negate the threat of Islamic terrorism by dealing with disruptive students differently. They are completely different problems.

 

[CARIIS]

[FONT=Adamina, Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]FBI will be releasing limited interactions between OM and hostage negators

CNN


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[human]

I looked through the site you linked. I saw lots of references to their study that focused primarily on white middle- and upper-class college educated people.

I saw nothing about anything discussing Islamic terrorism.

I believe it's naive to think that we can negate the threat of Islamic terrorism by dealing with disruptive students differently. They are completely different problems.

If you want to believe that you can of course. But many people are taking these studies and interventions seriously.

They are used in ghetto schools where children are under high stress and live on high alert. Because of that, any touch or bump is seen as a threat. A call to fight. The interventions deal with these cortisol threats using different calming methods.

I worked in a school setting where children lived BELOW the Federally Identified poverty level. We used these interventions. They work. Hopefully these interventions will spread across the country and give children a chance to not have to descend into horrifying continuation of their lives to ruin.

 

[human]

I looked through the site you linked. I saw lots of references to their study that focused primarily on white middle- and upper-class college educated people.

I saw nothing about anything discussing Islamic terrorism.

I believe it's naive to think that we can negate the threat of Islamic terrorism by dealing with disruptive students differently. They are completely different problems.

You may also wish to look at other studies that looked at stressors such as having a parent in prison. The studies are numerojs and extensive

 

[Elley Mae]

I think the stressors that he had are identified in the studies. And it as reported that middle
Eastern is considered white ( some post here in the last day) . He was certainly from a well to do family.

The stressors can result in health issues. One is obesity which apparently he had as a child. Hence the focus in his apoearance with exercise,

Another possible impact from stressors is violence. No need to expand on that.

Another possible impact is alcoholism. Sounds like he may have issues there.

So, yes, the interventions could have helped him. Shame and punishment only increases the disfunction ,

I know they are not white and from what I read below they are not happy about it either, looks like it may change as it should jmo idk


bbm,

Activists have been lobbying the U.S. Census Bureau to grant minority status to Americans with roots in the Middle East and North Africa (MENA). The campaign began in 1980s, picking up steam in the last decade in response to government policies in the “war on terrorism.” The bureau has considered Americans of Middle Eastern and North African descent white since the 1920s and has repeatedly rejected appeals for minority status citing the 1997 Office of Management and Budget (OMB) guideline that defines white as “a person having origins in the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East or North Africa.”



http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2015/2/middle-eastern-americans-push-census-change.html

Since 9/11, discrimination against Americans of MENA descent has risen precipitously as a result of hate crimes and policies associated with the “war on terrorism.” However, community leaders are not able to keep a proper count of those crimes or lobby for policy changes since the official classification lumps together people of MENA descent with whites.

The minority status campaigners proposal seeks to expand the official definition of the MENA region, by adopting the Arab League’s designation of the Arab world, which encompasses Sudan, Somalia, Djibouti and Comoros. They are also calling for the inclusion of three non-Arab states — Turkey, Iran and Israel, as well as four subnational communities — Assyrians, Chaldeans, Kurds and Berbers.

Activists have been lobbying the U.S. Census Bureau to grant minority status to Americans with roots in the Middle East and North Africa (MENA). The campaign began in 1980s, picking up steam in the last decade in response to government policies in the “war on terrorism.” The bureau has considered Americans of Middle Eastern and North African descent white since the 1920s and has repeatedly rejected appeals for minority status citing the 1997 Office of Management and Budget (OMB) guideline that defines white as “a person having origins in the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East or North Africa.”

 

[human]

I looked through the site you linked. I saw lots of references to their study that focused primarily on white middle- and upper-class college educated people.

I saw nothing about anything discussing Islamic terrorism.

I believe it's naive to think that we can negate the threat of Islamic terrorism by dealing with disruptive students differently. They are completely different problems.

Islamic terrorism is violence . Why does it matter if it is white supremacy or if it is Islamic terrorism? The roots causes are the same re the rage an individual feels. They choose to express their rage in their way.

 

[CARIIS]

We all are pretty up to date on this. I just saw this

New reports are emerging that Disney warned the FBI about Omar Mateen several months ago. Mateen visited the parks with his wife, who told the media that he was considering attacking Disney Springs.

and it blew my mind. I thought I was wrong , not that I was wrong! happens all the time but that she was aware of what he wanted to do. I reread it (its like media is messing it up again?)

New reports are emerging that Disney warned the FBI about Omar Mateen several months ago. Mateen visited the parks with his wife, who told the media that he was considering attacking Disney Springs.

Then when I reread it , it actually says told the media.

That changed me back to media gotta it all messed up, again. My thinking was, give me a break, that is certainly a big event. If she TOLD media he was considering attacking Disney - that would be reported huge in the media.

I have never seen an anchor stating she told us that...." "

All they have said is Disney reported them to FBI.

Have any of you seen , the actual video , ( I have not) where she states something akin to "he was thinking about attacking Disney".

My take from angle was that the Disney angle was why the media blew up from the "casing".

SO, the question becomes - if the wife actually told the media this, why would this not be reported like that ---that she SAID he was going to...

makes me think this artictle screwed up by writing "she told the media"

hopes this makes sense!

And then I thought oh please he has been threatening to kill people since he was 8, so it makes sense that she would just think that he was talking "like that", again. He had never done any killing before, why beleive him this time?

I can understand her thinking he is just blowing up little big man stuff again. Like cry wolf stuff--- Identical to Osama being his father - he just runs his mouth about these terrible things he is gonna do cause he is this big bad ISIS terrroist. Throughout his life since childhood he has been immersed in "little man sydrome" stuff since youth.

Anyone see anything where she directly told the media? The only thing I can up as to why she has not been arrested is the notion of cry wolf/fear of what he threatened he might do to her child if she said something

Actually what we should be sluething is HER! moo

 

[sonjay]

Islamic terrorism is violence . Why does it matter if it is white supremacy or if it is Islamic terrorism? The roots causes are the same re the rage an individual feels. They choose to express their rage in their way.

I don't believe the root causes of Islamic terrorism are the same as those of someone who was abused as a child or had a parent in prison. I believe it's naive and detrimental to our national security to believe they are.

 

[CARIIS]

CNN is just now reporting that the commitee wrote Zuckerman - I saw the letter 3 days ago. I will find it!

[FONT=&quot]Mr. Mark Zuckerberg
Founder, Chairman, and Chief Executive Officer
Facebook, Inc.
1601 Willow Road
Menlo Park, CA 94025[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Dear Mr. Zuckerberg:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs is examining the June 12, 2016 terrorist attack in Orlando, Florida. It is my understanding that Omar Mateen used Facebook before and during the attack to search for and post terrorism-related content. I appreciate Facebook’s support of the law-enforcement investigation into this attack and previous attacks. While Facebook is not a target of the Committee’s inquiry, I respectfully request your assistance with the Committee’s inquiry.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]According to information obtained by my staff, five Facebook accounts were apparently associated with Omar Mateen. On June 12, 2016, Mateen apparently searched for “Pulse Orlando” and “Shooting.” Mateen also apparently posted “America and Russia stop bombing the Islamic state..I pledge my alliance to abu bakr al Baghdadi..may Allah accept me.” He then posted “The real muslims will never accept the filthy ways of the west” and “You kill innocent women and children by doing us airstrikes..now taste the Islamic state vengeance.” In a final post, Mateen apparently wrote, “In the next few days you will see attacks from the Islamic state in the usa.” [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]In addition, my staff learned that in May 2016, Mateen used Facebook to search for information on the San Bernardino terrorists and on June 4, 2016, Mateen apparently searched “Baghdadi Speech.” My staff has also learned that Mateen apparently used Facebook to conduct frequent local law enforcement and FBI searches, including searching for specific law enforcement offices.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]As the Committee examines the attack and considers legislative proposals to address homegrown extremism, I respectfully request your assistance with the Committee’s inquiry given Mr. Mateen’s use of Facebook. I ask that you please provide all Facebook data on Mr. Mateen’s activities on his account and any affiliated Facebook accounts, including but not limited to activity logs, Facebook timeline information, Facebook messages, photos, and posts. In addition, I request that appropriate company staff arrange a briefing with Committee staff on the information available to Facebook prior to and during this terrorist attack. Please provide this briefing and material as soon as possible but no later than 5:00 p.m. on June 29, 2016. When delivering production sets, please produce to Majority staff in room 340 of the Dirksen Senate Office Building and to Minority staff in room 613 of the Hart Senate Office Building. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs is authorized by Rule XXV of the Standing Rules of the Senate to investigate “the efficiency, economy, and effectiveness of all agencies and departments of Government.”[SUP][1][/SUP] Additionally, S. Res. 73 (114th Congress) authorizes the Committee to examine “the efficiency and economy of operations of all branches and functions of the Government with particular reference to (i) the effectiveness of present national security methods, staffing and processes….”[SUP][2][/SUP] For purposes of this request, please refer to the definitions and instructions in the enclosure.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Sincerely,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Ron Johnson
Chairman

Yeh and CNN breaking news

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/1...acebook-regarding-orlando-shooters-posts.html[/FONT]

 

[ninij9]

That is not my point. My point is he was living a delusion that he was some great martyr. Holmes was obsessed with BatMan. It is the same kind of thing. They live in their minds.

We are getting mass shootings every two months now, Why are people so freaked about ISIS when the numerous other mass shootings had nothing to do with ISIS.

Why not be more afraid of the white kid shooting up malls, theatres, schools, etc etc efc. And throw in some old guys too that did some shooting. Why go so freaked out over this one?

The goals of some of these shooters is to get a higher and higher body count. Now there is a new benchmark to surpass.

Somewhere out there is a new shooter planning to right his wrongs by shooting up something else. Probably someplace no one has contemplated.

I'm not more afraid of some white kid shooting up malls (which is a great horror and 21st century problem for another thread), I'm afraid of RADICAL TERRORISTS like OM because when they kill, there are a whole lot of people in the Middle East rejoicing. People that reject gays, women, freedom, America.
People that strictly adhere to jihadism and Sharia law.

All ways of getting killed are awful. When you are targeted for your Americanism, Sexual orientation or Democracy, our very way of life here in America is threatened.

Mental illness should not be ignored, and everyone here that is at odds on this thread, have very much been in accord on others regarding mentally ill shooters. It just so happens that many of us recognise another element here. The wildly politically incorrect phrase "Radical Islamist". Our government has no good plan to combat this.

Our disgruntled teens, and disillusioned adults are being swooned on the internet and are becoming a whole new monster. The shooter, in his own words offered his shooting to the radical cause. We should take him at his word, or 49 gentle souls have truly died in vain.



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[ninij9]

Is that what you think human meant? I can't understand why Protestants and Catholics would want to kill non-Christians during the Northern Ireland conflict.

I'm missing something.

Delete. I wasnt playing nice. Sorry

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