FL - Mass Shooting at Pulse Nightclub, Orlando 12 June 2016 #4

[SweetT]

No, because he was not 'insane' nor unable to comprehend that what he was doing was wrong.

I agree..Islam is an ideology that they somehow cannot tolerate another religion or anyone else's beliefs. Therefore they should be eliminated. I say these people are more brainwashed with their ideology than mentally unstable..Of course I see the argument can be made that any killer is unstable..I agree but would these people kill if not for their religious ideology? I don't get honour killings, these people have condoned that behaviour and convinced themselves that it is a good thing. Something is very wrong with that mindset, but all of these people are not suffering from mental illness. They suffer from their f'd up beliefs. How on earth do we change that?

 

[bluesneakers]

I wonder why they would remove his talk about his allegiance to radical islamic groups, not the first time they have edited things out.


Lynch said the FBI on Monday willl release a partial transcript of Orlando police department hostage negotiators talking to Mateen inside the nightclub. However, much of his talk about allegience to radical Islamic groups has been removed, she said.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ts-in-orlando-club-massacre.html?intcmp=hpbt2


bbm

U.S. to release partial transcripts of Orlando killer calls to police - Lynch

"As we have said earlier, he talked about his pledges of allegiance to a terrorist group. He talked about his motivations for why he was claiming at that time he was committing his horrific act," the Attorney General said.

Lynch said, however, that the transcripts would be edited to "avoid revictimizing those who went through this horror, but it will contain the substance of his conversations."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/re...ripts-Orlando-killer-calls-police--Lynch.html

 

[HMSHood]

Why don't we talk about the patriarchal attitudes of Muslims? That would be more relevant to this discussion. And the horrific crimes being committed by radical Muslims in the name of Islam. That would be more relevant to this discussion.

It is extreme patriarchal in Muslims.

 

[Jax49]

I hope we get a new thread soon. This one is leaving a bad taste in my mouth. SMH.

 

[bluesneakers]

No, they are not allowed. If female, absolutely not. If male, I would suggest calling ahead and explain why. Which in the atmosphere today, I doubt very seriously they will allow you. Who could blame them....

Do you have a link or source? I've been in Mosques and am not Muslim. Most Mosques I know of are welcoming, and the Muslims I know are eager to share their faith with others (like practitioners of most religions).

 

[tangelo]

And if you look at dads lifestyle very American, monetary, ties etc western

If you look at OM house I did not see one Koran lying around - totally unlike the other ones,

he had korans & other islamist reading material. nice try

 

[human]

Here is one link re mosques. I know in the city where I lived, they have in their website the invitation to come.

http://muslimvoices.org/muslim-mosque-rules/

 

[Jax49]

I agree..Islam is an ideology that they somehow cannot tolerate another religion or anyone else's beliefs. Therefore they should be eliminated. I say these people are more brainwashed with their ideology than mentally unstable..Of course I see the argument can be made that any killer is unstable..I agree but would these people kill if not for their religious ideology? I don't get honour killings, these people have condoned that behaviour and convinced themselves that it is a good thing. Something is very wrong with that mindset, but all of these people are not suffering from mental illness. They suffer from their f'd up beliefs. How on earth do we change that?

You want to eliminate (kill) 1,570 million people?

 

[cady]

I wonder why they would remove his talk about his allegiance to radical islamic groups, not the first time they have edited things out.


Lynch said the FBI on Monday willl release a partial transcript of Orlando police department hostage negotiators talking to Mateen inside the nightclub. However, much of his talk about allegience to radical Islamic groups has been removed, she said.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ts-in-orlando-club-massacre.html?intcmp=hpbt2


bbm

Not sure why. We have already heard that he cherry picked allegiances that were incompatible w each other.....especially Hezbollah, which is Shiite, and he was Sunni. We do know that the last cherry he picked was AlBaghdadi of ISIS......I don't know why we can't read what he said, except that maybe he named some names that intelligence wants to look further into...?

 

[human]

Here is another one for Raleigh re visiting mosques. They have rules for women, but I did not see anything about having to holler, "Nike!"

http://raleighmasjid.org/islam/visiting-mosque.html

 

[SweetT]

I don't often see Muslims killing other Muslims here in the states unless it is what is called an 'honor killing' by those who feel their family member had become too westernized.

Right, they are usually killing other muslims cause that's usually what is around over in Syria and Iraq etc. Other muslims that disagree with this particular faction. the Sunni's and shiites (Sorry spelling) oh and christians obviously they ISIS don't get along with anyone do they?

 

[Elley Mae]

U.S. to release partial transcripts of Orlando killer calls to police - Lynch


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/re...ripts-Orlando-killer-calls-police--Lynch.html

That is Sooo lame. Why release any of it. I mean honestly that does not even make sense that only the islamic terrorist part is victimizing. She out to lunch. that's a pathetic reason. jmo idk

 

[human]

That is Sooo lame. Why release any of it. I mean honestly that does not even make sense that only the islamic terrorist part is victimizing. She out to lunch. that's a pathetic reason. jmo idk

The quote.
Lynch said, however, that the transcripts would be edited to "avoid revictimizing those who went through this horror, but it will contain the substance of his conversations."

It could be that he had a lot of ugly things to say about the patrons of Pulse.

 

[Elley Mae]

Do you have a link or source? I've been in Mosques and am not Muslim. Most Mosques I know of are welcoming, and the Muslims I know are eager to share their faith with others (like practitioners of most religions).

I can tell you that my daughter's friend's brother converted and took her to his mosque for a visit, when she realized she was not allowed to go to the part of the mosque that the males/men went to she said I want to leave, and did. Before that she was not happy that she had to remove her shoes. She said she will never go back. jmo idk

 

[Tony1902]

It is extreme patriarchal in Muslims.

Just a fast & extremely anthropologically & archaeologically biased opinion-- we can thank the Neolithic Revolutiom for that. JMO

 

[SweetT]

The quote.
Lynch said, however, that the transcripts would be edited to "avoid revictimizing those who went through this horror, but it will contain the substance of his conversations."

It could be that he had a lot of ugly things to say about the patrons of Pulse.

Yea right. I'm sure that's the reason.

 

[bluesneakers]

That is Sooo lame. Why release any of it. I mean honestly that does not even make sense that only the islamic terrorist part is victimizing. She out to lunch. that's a pathetic reason. jmo idk

I think she means he's describing what he's done and in detail. It would be disturbing, especially to victims and their families, and it would serve no purpose. It's not too much to respect the people who directly and indirectly suffered, is it?

 

[DexterMorgan]

I respectfully disagree I feel there are women who are just as evil and possibly more than men. These women a lot of them WANT to be in this muslim religion and like all this stuff. Look at how many women have snuck off to be with these men. Also there have been muslim women suicide bombers. It's not a male and female thing other than the fact that the women are pretty much treated like crap and owned. But apparently some of these women are fine with it. What about the women who kill their own daughters? How sick is that? The woman who killed her 2 yr old daughter because grandpa molested her and she was protecting the man ....No not buying that women are any less evil.

That's called the Stockholm syndrome. Many captives usually sympathize and protect their captors after years of being abused and brainwashed and whatever else.

Plus its not like the Ohio kidnapped victims that could get help from the passing guy. Some victims don't even leave due to the fear of getting caught.

So I truly doubt that most women would think that way without the years of being brought up like that.

Now as far as the women leaving free countries to join isis. I truly think that some have changed their minds once getting there.

Idk.

 

[Elley Mae]

I think she means he's describing what he's done and in detail. It would be disturbing, especially to victims and their families, and it would serve no purpose. It's not too much to respect the people who directly and indirectly suffered, is it?

They don't have to listen if they are bothered by it do they? Are they strapped to chairs and forced to listen? I don't think so. Just like I don't watch the beheading's or terrorist video's. It's a choice.

 

[SweetT]

I think she means he's describing what he's done and in detail. It would be disturbing, especially to victims and their families, and it would serve no purpose. It's not too much to respect the people who directly and indirectly suffered, is it?

She said this :" However, much of his talk about allegience to radical Islamic groups has been removed". No reason that this would be disturbing to the victims families, the only people this protects at all are radicalized muslims. If we don't talk about it, it doesnt exist that is our govt's mentality. Let's cover it up. sweep it under the rug.