FL - Mass Shooting at Pulse Nightclub, Orlando 12 June 2016 #5

[Everyday Grace]

who is this person?

http://wsvn.com/news/local/woman-arrested-after-allegedly-threatening-to-blow-up-sunrise-mosque/

 

[katsrfun]

Hello all. This is such a horrific story; I admit I have not read all posts. You can only take this a little at a time. I have a couple of questions, maybe someone here can answer, or maybe they have been already answered, and someone can point me in the direction. I am in no way indication any victims are responsible for anything that happened in that nightclub. I am just wondering, when the shooter went in the bathroom, why didn't someone unlock the door that he allegedly locked. Also, what was happening in the club proper while the shooter was in the bathroom; did people escape at that time? In what area of the club was he holding hostages? All of the club-goers could not have been in front of the shooter at all times; I am wondering why one or more did not give each other some kind of eye contact and jump him, or hit him over the head with a chair, bottle, anything? He couldn't possibly see everyone at once. These are just things I haven been pondering. I am sure during the chaos, it must have been difficult to have a cohesive thought. I was once at a carnival, where a few men came in convertibles, and just began shooting randomly. It was beyond one of the most frightening things I have ever been present at. Everyone panicked; people were running on top of each other, and no one knew where to go. The man I was with wanted to go in the bathroom, but I said, "no, we are totally at his mercy if he decides to come in here, or even open the door." We eventually ran into a large field, and laid down, and I ended up with the worst case of poison ivy ever. However, that was the best possible alternative at the time. I can only imagine the panic of these poor people, who only wanted to go out for a night of fun.

Thanks to all, for all of the great comments and thoughts. I would appreciate it if anyone has any insight into my questions. And, thank you Websleuth owner, Tricia, for providing us these great forums, which are more up-to-date than the news; I come here first when anything is happening because I know I will get the latest and best coverage from fellow members. Katt

 

[i.b.nora]

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/join...ding-transcript-related-orlando-terror-attack

Thank you. I had looked on the FBI website who at the time I looked had not changed or updated anything. So many places and entities to keep track of.

 

[human]

Ugh. I wonder why the change in announcing the name? I imagine now some other nutball will have to honor him with an even bigger killing.

 

[CARIIS]

The way that story is told, he shot into the stalls then asked if anyone was AA. Sounds like an afterthought.

Manic, scared, guilt for what he had done, on and off mooo

, what actually happened Will try to find it!), he asked some question, only one turned around a he murdered that person. He is not well

He worked that day, 90 minute drive , there 930, alcoholic, mooo drank a lot ,I think he was gonna do this , at closing as people came OUT, walked up to get a better aim, totally surprised someone started shooting at him, ran in, needed to regroup

stessers, clouded thinking

moo hes drunk, hot (not making excuses) , goes online just to try and see what is happening, what is happening outside , no food, talked to them once, did the best he could do with trying to make it like dad look what I did,

I killed a bunch a of queers, I am not gay dad, posted on FB so that dad knows it was (not) for ISIS. . Hotter, his thinking is gettin worse. his whole life he has not been able to , when stressed control himself, tries to get some control back, he shoots.

He already messed up with not knowing about the armed guard. Stressers. Manic does not cope with that.

Contacted wife, she said I love you. A moment of reprieve.

Then surprised again , exhausted, feeling hate, confusion, the walls start crashing in. Thats noisy - a lot of stimulation. Water pipe breaks, blood all over the place.

Stinks, hot hungry, knows its over, its over, gonna get shot by cops, why he ran out of breach his gun going, at that point he wanted to be dead.

Obivously , through out the whole mess, he had more than enough time to blow his brains out, dad would think that is weak, , better to end this in blaze , could be interpreted as the Paris bombers who blew themselvves up in the name of....

I just think many do not want to Ackowledge bipolar , and conditions as the night went on.

Since he was born he has been unable to deal with uncomfortable feeling states, without loosing it -thats the eratic shooting

moo

 

[human]

Do you think,this is true?

http://www.telesurtv.net/english/ne...into-a-Terror-Plot-in-2013-20160619-0022.html

 

[cady]

I'm beginning to think that he hated just about everyone equally, but no more than he hated himself. He may have chosen Pulse because he was familiar with it, knew people were vulnerable and that it would be crowded and they would be trapped. He just wanted to live out his life-long fantasy of mowing down as many humans as he could, and go out in infamy, a martyr, just to be safe that Allah would accept him as a glorious hero, despite all his previous infidelities. SICKO. Sad, all the way around. JMO

 

[Elley Mae]

Do you think,this is true?

http://www.telesurtv.net/english/ne...into-a-Terror-Plot-in-2013-20160619-0022.html

No, not at all. I would never believe anything coming from Venezuela, Cuba, Ecuador, Nicaragua, Uruguay, or Bolivia anyway. jmo

 

[Everyday Grace]

Thank you. I had looked on the FBI website who at the time I looked had not changed or updated anything. So many places and entities to keep track of.

I know what you mean. Today's been one chase after another for me. Checked FBI when I saw your post; nothing there, but plenty of news stories out there.

Had a thought this might have been a change straight from DOJ, changed my search terms and voila!

Nothing new revealed by filling in the [redacted] spaces. Redaction issue was distracting.

Much ado.

 

[cady]

Ugh. I wonder why the change in announcing the name? I imagine now some other nutball will have to honor him with an even bigger killing.

YUP..And I'm willing to bet that it with be some other homegrown kook.....UGH. JMO

 

[Everyday Grace]

Do you think,this is true?

http://www.telesurtv.net/english/ne...into-a-Terror-Plot-in-2013-20160619-0022.html

Backtracking the roots of that piece:

The FBI launched an investigation into Mateen after Sheriff's Office officials reported the incident to the agency. As part of its investigation, the FBI examined Mateen's travel history, phone records, acquaintances and even planted a confidential informant in the courthouse to "lure Omar into some kind of act and Omar did not bite," Mascara said. The FBI concluded Mateen was not a threat after that, Mascara said.

http://www.tcpalm.com/news/special/...e-2242-e053-0100007fa-383208751.html?d=mobile

My understanding is that it is fairly common for federal investigators to use that method (among other tools) when trying to assess a potential terror threat.

 

[CARIIS]

Their web servers? They didn't stop broadcasting via scanner apps. I was alerted to unusually high traffic on Orlando Fire around 3 am and didn't turn the scanner off until after 7 am.

oh is there anyway you can link that night I -could never find it.......................

 

[i.b.nora]

Backtracking the roots of that piece:

http://www.tcpalm.com/news/special/...e-2242-e053-0100007fa-383208751.html?d=mobile

My understanding is that it is fairly common for federal investigators to use that method (among other tools) when trying to assess a potential terror threat.

Argh, you beat me to it! LOL! I came up with the same article as likely being the source. It was written June 15. Of course, some are having a field day with it.

 

[CARIIS]

Hello all. This is such a horrific story; I admit I have not read all posts. You can only take this a little at a time. I have a couple of questions, maybe someone here can answer, or maybe they have been already answered, and someone can point me in the direction. I am in no way indication any victims are responsible for anything that happened in that nightclub. I am just wondering, when the shooter went in the bathroom, why didn't someone unlock the door that he allegedly locked. Also, what was happening in the club proper while the shooter was in the bathroom; did people escape at that time? In what area of the club was he holding hostages? All of the club-goers could not have been in front of the shooter at all times; I am wondering why one or more did not give each other some kind of eye contact and jump him, or hit him over the head with a chair, bottle, anything? He couldn't possibly see everyone at once. These are just things I haven been pondering. I am sure during the chaos, it must have been difficult to have a cohesive thought. I was once at a carnival, where a few men came in convertibles, and just began shooting randomly. It was beyond one of the most frightening things I have ever been present at. Everyone panicked; people were running on top of each other, and no one knew where to go. The man I was with wanted to go in the bathroom, but I said, "no, we are totally at his mercy if he decides to come in here, or even open the door." We eventually ran into a large field, and laid down, and I ended up with the worst case of poison ivy ever. However, that was the best possible alternative at the time. I can only imagine the panic of these poor people, who only wanted to go out for a night of fun.

Thanks to all, for all of the great comments and thoughts. I would appreciate it if anyone has any insight into my questions. And, thank you Websleuth owner, Tricia, for providing us these great forums, which are more up-to-date than the news; I come here first when anything is happening because I know I will get the latest and best coverage from fellow members. Katt

I think,becasue this horror has been going on, we are making mistakes,.

We are thinking this is like a lock down, where baricade the door , , and wait.

Do not read further if skirmish


Do not read further if skirmish

There kids.

Do not read further if skirmish


The murderer is 8 ft away. Think United 93, they had time to orcherate a plan

Blood is slippery

They are buried under people

how could they orchesrte anything

many are bleeding to death

femer bones shattered

death brings bladder and bowel stuff slippery

There is no way they can orchestate an United 93 attack.moo

They are kids not in physical condition to do much, but organize an overthrow aint possible mooo

 

[cady]

I think that investigators figured out that he was full of BS. He was all over the map, and his so-called associations were incongruous. And he hadn't actively partaken in what they consider domestic or international terrorism. I JUST wish that one of his wives had reported his domestic violence....but Dad would bail him out, and wife would be in great danger. First one was at least smart enough to ditch the marriage. JMO

 

[CARIIS]

Argh, you beat me to it! LOL! I came up with the same article as likely being the source. It was written June 15. Of course, some are having a field day with it.

I think this is all lawsuit prep

Noone can predict human behavior


moo

 

[cady]

Do you think,this is true?

http://www.telesurtv.net/english/ne...into-a-Terror-Plot-in-2013-20160619-0022.html

I think that it could be true.......but that is a method that is commonly used on a suspicious person. By law, a person is only "entrapped" if they are goaded into doing something that they would not normally do. And DO it. That has to be proven, in court. When he didn't buy into it, they probably realized that he was just a blowhard. Obviously, eventually he did it on his own terms. But at the time of their investigation of him, if he didn't respond, they had nothing to charge him with. JMO

 

[CARIIS]

I think that investigators figured out that he was full of BS. He was all over the map, and his so-called associations were incongruous. And he hadn't actively partaken in what they consider domestic or international terrorism. I JUST wish that one of his wives had reported his domestic violence....but Dad would bail him out, and wife would be in great danger. First one was at least smart enough to ditch the marriage. JMO

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This is mental illiness solely moo

nutin else

Different flavors, this is Jmes Homes, adam , congresswoman


Does that get the same viewers as this rukus that has been proven wrong for the last week nah

he was a disturbed, mentally ill man, no capacity to be be this big bad terroist

I just do not think a child who has demenstrated intense violence from 4 yrs old to 10 years old is aligned with some global terrorist network

and that reality, sadly culminated in last week mooo

 

[Everyday Grace]

Argh, you beat me to it! LOL! I came up with the same article as likely being the source. It was written June 15. Of course, some are having a field day with it.

LOL, I've suspected that you and I take similar approaches to vet what we read/hear and deploy similar Google-Foo techniques.

Good habits, IMO, particularly when the much ado elements are heavily in play in a news story.

 

[CARIIS]

The most amazing thing here is the focus that he came under FBI scrrtiny 2X, while ignoring that 2x the FBI concluded that both were hot air !!

THAT, imo is the takeaway!!