FL FL - Noemi Bolivar, 21, went for a walk, Hollywood, 11 Feb 2021

[spiritseeker31]

Autism & Wandering
''According to survey data published in the journal Pediatrics, nearly half of families reported their children with Autism wandered or eloped from safe environments. Finding and safely recovering a missing child with Autism presents unique and difficult challenges for families, law enforcement, first responders and search teams. The National Center for Missing & Exploited Children has special search protocols and checklists to help first responders.

Children with Autism go missing under a variety of circumstances. They may seek out small or enclosed spaces. They may wander toward places of special interest to them. Or they may try to escape overwhelming stimuli such as sights, sounds, surroundings or activities of others.''

Children with Autism may exhibit interests that pose dangers such as:

• Bodies of water
• Roadways/highways
  
• Trains
  
• Heavy equipment
  
• Fire trucks
  
• Roadway signs
  
• Bright lights
  
• Traffic signals''

''In a 10-year analysis (2007-2016), NCMEC found that 43 missing children with Autism were recovered deceased (4% of the total). In 72% of the cases, the manner of death was classified as accidental; such as drowning.''

Autism Plus Wandering
''An attraction to water
Given the high number of wandering-related drownings, some in the community have come to speculate as to why those on the spectrum are drawn to water; one theory is that it has an alluring, calming effect due to the repetitive pattern of reflections, or the way it puts even pressure on the body, which sensory-seeking children may enjoy. However, Singer says there’s no data from the wandering survey to support those theories: “We just don’t know why.”

All great and true info but I think this is a different situation. She sounds able bodied, thoughtful and quite independent. Nobody in her family felt it was out of place or odd for her to jump on a bus and go explore/walk off frustration.

 

[Filly]

I completely agree with you about her staying on the trail.
Most people on the autism spectrum have pretty exceptional memories, some even have a photographic and/or an eidetic memory. IMHAspieO, I believe Noemi also has an exceptional/photographic memory. MOO. If this park is her happy place, then I 100% believe that she has all of the trails, every detail, and EVERYTHING else in the park memorized. MOO.
—Autistics like going to places of familiarity because they feel safe with familiar people, places and things.
Change on the other hand can cause a meltdown real quick. And an abrupt change, could not only cause a meltdown but also a catastrophic shutdown. And if she’s in shutdown mode, well let’s all just pray, send good vibes, hope, etc...that this has not happened to her. Again, IMHAspieO.

I think back to when I was around her age, not knowing then that I was autistic, got very upset with my dad, ended up having a meltdown and jumped out of the car I was in (passenger) at a very busy intersection. The next thing I knew I was hiding at a gas station, and then went into the woods, for several hours, until almost dark, then walked home (which was a few miles away). When I returned home, I found out that my family had been looking for me for hours, and had the police out looking for me too.
Now that I’m an adult, and a mum of a 20-something y/o, I totally understand why my family was angry, upset and scared.
I say all of this to say that Noemi may still be out there alive. She’s extremely smart, and thinks outside the box. I still have hope that she is alive.

Thank you so much for this post! Very helpful.

 

[Hexe]

The park closed at 6 in Feb.
I think if that park is a normal place she goes I can’t imagine her not heading to the gates way before 6pm. The parks big. She would have known from experience her timing before closing.

Allrighty. Noemi is high functioning autistic person. Autistic people (and I speak from my personal experience of being one) are notoriously bad on defining how much time passed. The only way I can reliably do it is by glancing constantly on my watch/cell. So, if Noemi was just casually strolling through the park, I'm pretty sure she kept the time under control and would move towards the gate before the closing time.

When an autistic person hyperfocuses on something, they loose trace of everything else. There is only that interesting object/view/whatever, the rest of word ceases to exist. If Noemi did hyperfocus on something she would not remember to check the time and could easily miss the closing hours (all the merry times I left the public communication one or two stops further than I intended, because I hyperfocused on whatever I read, or on my thoughts...) .

 

[Hexe]

I completely agree with you about her staying on the trail.
Most people on the autism spectrum have pretty exceptional memories, some even have a photographic and/or an eidetic memory. IMHAspieO, I believe Noemi also has an exceptional/photographic memory. MOO. If this park is her happy place, then I 100% believe that she has all of the trails, every detail, and EVERYTHING else in the park memorized. MOO.
—Autistics like going to places of familiarity because they feel safe with familiar people, places and things.
Change on the other hand can cause a meltdown real quick. And an abrupt change, could not only cause a meltdown but also a catastrophic shutdown. And if she’s in shutdown mode, well let’s all just pray, send good vibes, hope, etc...that this has not happened to her. Again, IMHAspieO

As a fellow Aspie I fully agree with you.

 

[PommyMommy]

Nothing new here, sadly. Just rooting for this sweet young lady. Let today be the day she is found safe.

FEB 23, 2021
Police continue search for missing Hollywood woman – WSVN 7News

 

[swedeheart]

https://byuiscroll.org/recent-byu-i-graduate-goes-missing-in-florida/

"She had texted a friend around 6:15 p.m. and was in the middle of the conversation when she stopped responding.

According to Ryker, Bolivar had been planning on attending an institute class that evening and friends became worried. It was the first time Bolivar missed a class."

 

[UnapologeticallyAspie]

Allrighty. Noemi is high functioning autistic person. Autistic people (and I speak from my personal experience of being one) are notoriously bad on defining how much time passed. The only way I can reliably do it is by glancing constantly on my watch/cell. So, if Noemi was just casually strolling through the park, I'm pretty sure she kept the time under control and would move towards the gate before the closing time.

When an autistic person hyperfocuses on something, they loose trace of everything else. There is only that interesting object/view/whatever, the rest of word ceases to exist. If Noemi did hyperfocus on something she would not remember to check the time and could easily miss the closing hours (all the merry times I left the public communication one or two stops further than I intended, because I hyperfocused on whatever I read, or on my thoughts...) .

And I agree with you, 100!

 

[MiamiGuy50]

No new updates.

this youtube reporter continues to make more detailed treks and investigations around the Anne kolb nature preserve:

As one of the comments say: he’s done more investigation than the entire Hollywood police department

 

[ryanmarieee]

No new updates.

this youtube reporter continues to make more detailed treks and investigations around the Anne kolb nature preserve:

As one of the comments say: he’s done more investigation than the entire Hollywood police department

Good for him! The only way to find out new information is to keep looking. There has to be some clue out there as to what happened to her.

 

[ludakristen]

https://byuiscroll.org/recent-byu-i-graduate-goes-missing-in-florida/

"She had texted a friend around 6:15 p.m. and was in the middle of the conversation when she stopped responding.

According to Ryker, Bolivar had been planning on attending an institute class that evening and friends became worried. It was the first time Bolivar missed a class."

OK so the theories about something happening to her while waiting for her bus seem more true now. If she was mid-convo at 6:15 and stopped responding, she was hypothetically OUT of the nature preserve at that time since we know it closed at 6 PM. Although the phone pings might mean she went walking for a bit instead of getting right back on the bus? Or of course, worse options (someone else had her phone during those pings).

 

[ludakristen]

OK so the theories about something happening to her while waiting for her bus seem more true now. If she was mid-convo at 6:15 and stopped responding, she was hypothetically OUT of the nature preserve at that time since we know it closed at 6 PM. Although the phone pings might mean she went walking for a bit instead of getting right back on the bus? Or of course, worse options (someone else had her phone during those pings).

Also, to expand on my own post a bit more, it sounds like something might have *happened* to her right around 615.

 

[Limecat]

Sorry my memory is so awful, so I apologize in advance as I’m sure this has been asked and answered. We have seen video footage of Noemi on the bus, I believe headed toward the park. Has there ever been any footage of her on the bus after supposedly leaving the park?

I agree, her stopping communication in the middle of a conversation is disturbing. I wonder what time the bus would have stopped to pick her up? Is the bus stop right there at the park, or would she had to have walked a bit to get to the bus?

 

[MiamiGuy50]

This is maddening

she either was abducted and/or taken away from us by someone, or a freak accident occurred where she slipped into the water or caught by alligator.

still no clues or updates. Not even commentary from police about what they’re doing. Is it incompetence? Or are they hush because this has become a criminal investigation and they don’t want to alert the suspect? The department will redeem themselves if it turns out there is a suspect or criminal investigation underway.

However if we find out in a few days they “give up and can’t find anything,” I will never ever approve of this city and police. I already don’t really after how they let Adam Walsh slip away from the mall that was directly across the street from the Hollywood police headquarters. Or leila cavett who was abducted and killed in a gas station in Hollywood (dam near the same area as Adam I think)

 

[mlhenn]

Sorry my memory is so awful, so I apologize in advance as I’m sure this has been asked and answered. We have seen video footage of Noemi on the bus, I believe headed toward the park. Has there ever been any footage of her on the bus after supposedly leaving the park?

I’ve asked this as well. I’d assume there would be some time of video footage of her leaving whether right there at the park or farther down the street. Surely there’s a camera of some sort in the vicinity. IMO.

 

[Limecat]

I’ve asked this as well. I’d assume there would be some time of video footage of her leaving whether right there at the park or farther down the street. Surely there’s a camera of some sort in the vicinity. IMO.

You would certainly think so, and of course I’m sure LE has reviewed footage that we aren’t privy to, but what concerns me is we know for a fact there’s video on the bus, so that tells me she never got on the bus at all to go home.

I’m sure that’s an obvious statement. I think if her communication with her friend hadn’t been so abruptly cut off, I might lean toward something happening in the park, whether accident or foul play, but I’m not sure. I’m not sure of anything, except that Noemi needs to come home safe and sound.

 

[MontereyMama]

Bumping for Noemi. I am really, really fearful for this young lady.

 

[janewall]

Bumping for Noemi. I am really, really fearful for this young lady.

Likewise.

It's a shame her conversation with her friend was by text not voice. If the friend had heard something, or had become more immediately aware when Noemi "stopped responding" because a real-time voice conversation doesn't have the kind of lengthy pauses that back-and-forth texts often do, LE and search parties would have a lot more information to work with.

It saddens me that people really can't feel secure enjoying simple activities by themselves any more. (If we really ever could.) Whatever happened to Noemi, whether a natural cause or a human predator has prevented her from returning home or making contact, it would seem to point to the truism that there is greater safety in groups than in relaxing, decompressing, and pursuing a passion in solitude. How utterly unbearable it must be for a high-functioning person on the spectrum to confront the reality that it's not particularly safe to take a breather from the human hubbub they find so stressful.

 

[oceanstarryeyes]

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[oceanstarryeyes]

If she was texting with her friend 11 minutes after the first bus left at 6:04 she wasn’t concerned about missing the first bus if she didn’t mention it to her friend.
She either decided to sit on the bus bench for 29 minutes waiting on the next bus or she decided to walk toward the beach to the nearest store for something to drink which would put her phone where it last pinged.
Checking security video at the stores along that route might show Noemi.

 

[ludakristen]

If she was texting with her friend 11 minutes after the first bus left at 6:04 she wasn’t concerned about missing the first bus if she didn’t mention it to her friend.
She either decided to sit on the bus bench for 29 minutes waiting on the next bus or she decided to walk toward the beach to the nearest store for something to drink which would put her phone where it last pinged.
Checking security video at the stores along that route might show Noemi.

Yes but those pings were hours later, weren't they?