FL - Nubia Barahona, 10, slain, twin injured, West Palm Beach, 11 Feb 2011 *Arrest*

  • #201
I couldn't even bring myself to open this thread for the longest time. And I still cannot read the whole thing. I just can't. I cannot understand the level of cruelty and evil necessary to starve and beat and pour acid on a child. I just don't understand.

I can understand Post Partum depression, Bi-Polar Disorder, ... I can understand lashing out in anger in a moment of weakness...but this, long term torture, this vicious behavior, for no reason...it sickens and baffles me.
 
  • #202
What pops into my head every time I think about this case is that he was exterminating these babies.
I keep thinking that he did intend to kill himself after the children to protect his wife. I don't think Carmen was protecting him at all, I think it's possible she sent him off to kill himself and the surviving twin after Nubia's death.
I can't bring myself to call him their son or even refer to him using their last name.

Does anybody know if family court is usually open to the public like it has been in this case ?
If seems to me like they're putting on quite the show for the public.
They want all to see how hard they work to protect Florida's children.

"We don't work weekends." Or report crimes to the police for that matter.

How would his death have protected her? These children were physically abused, bound, contained in a bath tub or trash can! N was starved and possibly beaten to death!

I can't stand where my head is going on this one, someplace many here jump to on every case and I usually disagree! N was put on a diet because she was "getting fat" according to what that "woman" told N's doctor - the doctor disagreed! Maybe N was just "growing up"....

If he wanted to die all he needed to do was mix a couple chemicals that he carried on his truck together and sit tight, death would have found him. But no!

I think the acid that he used and threw on V was more potent than he realized or something but again - he was found outside the truck if reports are correct and poor V was inside in respiratory distress and having seizures still breathing whatever he concocted.

Cowards and bullies abuse children, try to cover their tracks, lie, run from the law. Helped by a reporting entity that takes weekends off and doesn't call LE!
 
  • #203
  • #204
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Though DCF has so far declined to release their file on the Barahonas, limited records obtained by the Herald show there were plenty of hints things were amiss at their home in suburban Miami.

In addition to Neumann's concerns, several employees at the childrens' school testified against the adoption, and three abuse reports were filed on Nubia's behalf in three years after the Barahonas gained custody in 2004.

The first came when Nubia informed someone at her school that she was being "touched" by her father. Records show child welfare professionals suspected she referred to her birth father, who had already lost custody, and took no action. :banghead: :banghead:

A year later, the girl arrived at school with bruising on her face and neck; teachers suspected abuse. Though the Barahonas were ordered to present themselves and Nubia to the Department of Health’s Child Protection Team, they waited so long to comply that the marks had faded, and doctors accepted the couples' story that the girl had fallen. :banghead:

In 2007, a third report was filed from the school, stating that Nubia regularly complained of hunger, was dirty, and smelled. :banghead:

In June of 2010, a similar report was issued: Nubia was so "uncontrollably" hungry that she was stealing food, had begun losing her hair, and was "nervous" and "jittery." The Barahonas shortly pulled their children for homeschooling.

Circuit Judge Cindy Lederman ordered last week that adoption subsidies estimated at $950 per month for the couple's three surviving children be cut off immediately.

http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local-beat/Volunteer--116554598.html
 
  • #205
How would his death have protected her? These children were physically abused, bound, contained in a bath tub or trash can! N was starved and possibly beaten to death!

I can't stand where my head is going on this one, someplace many here jump to on every case and I usually disagree! N was put on a diet because she was "getting fat" according to what that "woman" told N's doctor - the doctor disagreed! Maybe N was just "growing up"....

If he wanted to die all he needed to do was mix a couple chemicals that he carried on his truck together and sit tight, death would have found him. But no!

I think the acid that he used and threw on V was more potent than he realized or something but again - he was found outside the truck if reports are correct and poor V was inside in respiratory distress and having seizures still breathing whatever he concocted.

Cowards and bullies abuse children, try to cover their tracks, lie, run from the law. Helped by a reporting entity that takes weekends off and doesn't call LE!

Ultimately it wouldn't have, but I think she might have hoped that with the three of them gone she could have blamed it all on him. Admittedly, it's just wild speculation on my part.
 
  • #206
I have a hard time with cases like this. Way past normal levels of abuse. Warning signs,health issues.Maybe CPS is harming more children then it is saving.
If bio parents who had their kid taken away for not being able to afford them why do we take them away and then pay someone else to take care of them? It seems completely crazy to give some greedy person money to take care of a kid when the parent could have provided for the child had they received the same amount. The foster parents get more in cash and food stamps than the bio parent for the same child. They also have all the resources provided for them they need with an auto support system.

What a backwards system. (I also know we cannot pay bio parents to raise their own kids but often parents seek help and have the help bite them in the tush) I understand some kids end up in there for other reasons as well. Just ranting about that part of it for now.
 
  • #207
I have a hard time with cases like this. Way past normal levels of abuse. Warning signs,health issues.Maybe CPS is harming more children then it is saving.
If bio parents who had their kid taken away for not being able to afford them why do we take them away and then pay someone else to take care of them? It seems completely crazy to give some greedy person money to take care of a kid when the parent could have provided for the child had they received the same amount. The foster parents get more in cash and food stamps than the bio parent for the same child. They also have all the resources provided for them they need with an auto support system.

What a backwards system. (I also know we cannot pay bio parents to raise their own kids but often parents seek help and have the help bite them in the tush) I understand some kids end up in there for other reasons as well. Just ranting about that part of it for now.

I don't know how to "work the system" but if these children all had some level of disability then their parents were eligible to receive benefits for them too (think Octomom). After the adoptions were complete I wonder if the family collects the SS or whatever it is and the "bonus bucks" from the DFS?

What I don't get is why work so hard, seek the children out, manipulate the system to get the kids in the first place - only to abuse them... Why, why, why??

No argument from me that the system is badly broken and has been for years.
 
  • #208
Last night on the 11o'clock news (www.justnews.com) they said DCF is expected (and has announced) that they will release some of the reports on this family the beginning of the week. Since today is a holiday, these reports are expected tomorrow.

Little V.'s condition is now serious and they have said he is improving.

All weekend the local news was just about all the DCF big whigs and head honchos visiting little V. in the hospital. Where were they and why not visit him in the house of horrors? Too little, too late iffen ya ask me.

No more word on the autopsy.

I'm watching very closely and will post articles as they are posted.
 
  • #209
I don't know how to "work the system" but if these children all had some level of disability then their parents were eligible to receive benefits for them too (think Octomom). After the adoptions were complete I wonder if the family collects the SS or whatever it is and the "bonus bucks" from the DFS?

What I don't get is why work so hard, seek the children out, manipulate the system to get the kids in the first place - only to abuse them... Why, why, why??

No argument from me that the system is badly broken and has been for years.

Because victims were needed. Scapegoats are needed for these sickos. Convenient whipping boys and girls. Someone to torture in lieu of their own children. That is the only thing I can come up with in answer to your question. There is no other logical explanation. These children were sought out specifically to be victimized and the system was manupilated into handing them over and then turned a blind eye to all those blinking neon red flags.

I have stayed away from this one for the most part. My soul is still fractured by another current case. A girl named Jeanette who was returned to her mother at age 7 afer 6 1/2 years in foster care and then tortured and beaten and starved by her incubator til her death at age 15. In that case there were also all sorts of reports to CPS, who as in this case, would not see what was right in front of them.

These kinds of cases make you ask hard questions, that there are no logical answers to save one. Evil.
 
  • #210
Noon news (www.wsvn.com) said there was a press conference about an hour ago. Some video fottage from the pc. They are appointing a "very well known names" independent committee to review this case.

It looks like this is going to turn into a CA case as the big news is DCF is going to release THOUSANDS of pages of documents pertaining to this case. The reporter said these docs will be released on the DCF website. I'm assuming (and you know what that does) that they will be released tomorrow.

As for COD for Nubia - that is still be held and will be for a while yet.

Carmen is still free (which, for the life of me, I DO NOT understand).

The big whigs are still visiting V. and his condition is improving albeit slowly.
 
  • #211
DCF Appoints Blue Ribbon Panel, Investigator Relieved Of Duty, In Barahona Case
February 21, 2011 12:50 PM


MIAMI (CBS4) — One week after a shocking family tragedy which involved the death of a 10-year-old girl and her injured twin brother, a Department of Children and Families investigator has been relieved of duty for the way she handled the Barahona case

The most recent apparent failure came Valentine’s weekend when DCF received a call claiming the twins were being tied up and locked in a bathroom. The DCF investigator who put the investigation on hold for the weekend has been relieved of duty and reassigned to administrative duties. DCF has promised transparency with the release of thousands of pages of documents from the Barahona children’s files.

The Blue Ribbon Panel will be chaired by David Lawrence Jr., the former publisher of the Miami Herald and a child welfare advocate. This is the second time Lawrence has chaired a DCF blue ribbon panel. The first was the case of 5-year-old Rilya Wilson, a little girl lost by DCF and never found, presumably murdered and her body never recovered


**more at link**

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2011/02/21/dcf-searches-for-answers-in-barahona-family-tragedy/


THOUSANDS of pages. THOUSANDS!!!! Yet no one saw the red flags - no one. :furious:

As for this "Blue Ribbon Panel" - please. Notice one guy was appointed to "look into" the Ryla Wilson case - and she was never found. IIRC not really much "change" came outta THAT investigation either. Its a vicious circle.

At least the "unusual" social worker has been fired. That, I believe, was inevitable. They had to put someone under fire.
 
  • #212
W.O.O. I wish I was naive enough to think we will really learn something from this B.R.Panel. I think this will be more of the usual blah, blah, blah... The last person to fail the children will be fired, rightfully - but what about all the other CWs who have dropped the ball on this case? If one goes, they all should go and take everyone who refused to listen to the witnesses against the adoption with them!

I wrote "a book" full of reports over a years time, following the weekly appointments ordered by the court for one of my families - nothing changed, the baby was left with her family. When the family moved my supervisor told me she was relieved they were out of our jurisdiction. I resigned.

These red flags would have filled a football field most likely, red glaring flags, going off like a fireworks display!

Thousands of pages! The files will be cleaned before those pages are released, no doubt. The pages will be reviewed, big deal - they should have been reviewed and recommendations followed, DFS had years to act on those reports! Pushing papers around will not heal Victor, nor return Nubia. This is all too little, too late.
 
  • #213
Here is the frist 153 pages.

Now, be careful. This starts with the twins birth and the first pages are about the bio mom and dad. Seems the twins were placed in foster care because mom lost rights early on and bio dad had them. Then he was arrested for child molestation and jailed and that put the twins into foster care.

Also, Nubia had been absent from school for two weeks (when she was still going to school). There was a report made then - she was supposedly absent because of excessive bleeding. It looks like Jorge was sexually abusing her. Which is probably why the acid - remove DNA.

http://www.dcf.state.fl.us/newsroom...rotective Investigations Computer Reports.pdf
 
  • #214
Well, I've gone through all 153 pages. They are not in chronological order. THERE WERE RED FLAGS ALL OVER THIS CASE FROM THE GET GO!!!!!!

It seems Nubia was sexually abused by her bio father (and possibly V too). As they were very very young when that happened, it can really affect a child's growth. They were seeing therapists for it.

Nubia was absent from school for two weeks due to excessive bleeding.

We've read about Nubia's condition - but I think there was more to it. Its hard to read between the lines and all of that has been redacted from the reports.

THERE IS ONE BIG HUGE THING THAT I HAVE TO ADDRESS:

These reports. All written by social workers or case workers or supervisors or whoever at DCF. The grammar, spelling, noun/verb agreement, ALL OF IT is absolutely ATROCIOUS!!! I mean its like none of these people were educated past the 5th grade (and I know a lot of 5th graders that wouldn't do THAT bad). In one report the writer is talking about "waste" or "wasting" and continually uses the word "waisted". It made my head hurt to read those. I understand the short hand "std" for stated and chn for children but its so much more than that. In one report, it actually says that "Nubia was stealing fun" FUN instead of FOOD! Unbelievable. Just unbelievable. No wonder we have such problems - MOST of these people have a minimal education and certainly CANNOT write a "report" to save their lives, much less investigate reports of child abuse.

First Zarha and now Nubia - this all has to stop. There has to be a better way.

I would like any thoughts or comments as to what I have discussed.
 
  • #215
Well, I've gone through all 153 pages. They are not in chronological order. THERE WERE RED FLAGS ALL OVER THIS CASE FROM THE GET GO!!!!!!

It seems Nubia was sexually abused by her bio father (and possibly V too). As they were very very young when that happened, it can really affect a child's growth. They were seeing therapists for it.

Nubia was absent from school for two weeks due to excessive bleeding.

We've read about Nubia's condition - but I think there was more to it. Its hard to read between the lines and all of that has been redacted from the reports.

THERE IS ONE BIG HUGE THING THAT I HAVE TO ADDRESS:

These reports. All written by social workers or case workers or supervisors or whoever at DCF. The grammar, spelling, noun/verb agreement, ALL OF IT is absolutely ATROCIOUS!!! I mean its like none of these people were educated past the 5th grade (and I know a lot of 5th graders that wouldn't do THAT bad). In one report the writer is talking about "waste" or "wasting" and continually uses the word "waisted". It made my head hurt to read those. I understand the short hand "std" for stated and chn for children but its so much more than that. In one report, it actually says that "Nubia was stealing fun" FUN instead of FOOD! Unbelievable. Just unbelievable. No wonder we have such problems - MOST of these people have a minimal education and certainly CANNOT write a "report" to save their lives, much less investigate reports of child abuse.

First Zarha and now Nubia - this all has to stop. There has to be a better way.

I would like any thoughts or comments as to what I have discussed.

I do not have time to venture in to read.... But from what you said, I would probably punch my computer if I do :sick:


UN F****ING BELIEVABLE!!!!!!!

Major overhaul of a screwed up system needs to happen like NOW :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:
 
  • #216
WOO, I may have to give those a read but tonight is not the night. I am exhausted having spent a marathon twelve hours on this puter following all the breaking developments on the Zahra case. I am emotionally wrung old like an old wet dishcloth.

In the interem, til I can give these doc appropriate attention with fresh mind, I trust your judgment on it. This is indicitive of a national problem, not just localized areas. What are the educational requirements to hold these positions in child services? How do we fix what is so very very wrong with the current system? This is epidemic. Every day more and more cases of fatal endings to cases which should have been acted upon.

So much senseless death. So much wasted potential. So many little lives comrpised of nothing but pain then blessed release of death. It is just wrong. So wrong. How do we make this right? Who do we rail at? Where do we march?
 
  • #217
WOO, I just finished them all as well. Red flags everywhere... And inconsistencies as well. An injury that Nubia told her teacher came from home, and told the investigator at the house that it came from school. And they let it go, without getting to the bottom of it? That's just one example for those of you who haven't read it all.

Awful.
 
  • #218
I do know here in Florida they have to have some type of "social worker" type degree - I think these are 2 year degrees. That makes it even worse. But, that's just the way it is here in Florida. I've worked in public schools with specialists that can't write a coherent sentence. So nothing really surprises me anymore.

Another thing, in every report there is a sentence that the house was "clean and neat" and "posed no hazards". Give me a break!!! Since when does having a clean house constitute a "good parent"? That bothered me the more I read. EVERY REPORT - house appeared clean and neat. SO WHAT?

It has been bantered down here about bringing back orphanages - run by competent personnel. There was still be cracks.

Its all about the money - the funding stream.In large, mega urbanville areas DCF are overwhelmed. There isn't a day go by when I don't see an article in the local paper about a child (usually babies) that are in the hospital or have died at the hands of a momma's bf or momma herself. Then there are the rural areas (as in Zahra's case) where the workers are somewhat naive about "things that people do to children". Its like they have a mentality of "that can't happen here".

I have no clue what to offer up as a suggestion of where this agency should go or how to fix this nationwide problem. But I think about it every day!
 
  • #219
WOO, I just finished them all as well. Red flags everywhere... And inconsistencies as well. An injury that Nubia told her teacher came from home, and told the investigator at the house that it came from school. And they let it go, without getting to the bottom of it? That's just one example for those of you who haven't read it all.

Awful.
What did you make of her condition and the medication she was on? I noticed even the meds were redacted. Why don't they want us to know what she was taking?

And the report of her masturbating at age 4. AND the dr. she was sent to said that 40% of children that age do it? Really? I believe that is involved in not only her condition but the abuse she must have suffered from her bio father.

These twins belonged in a theraputic foster home. One where they could have been guided and where the adults were aware of these conditions and how they manifest in children.

Also, there was a report that said that Nubia had spent the night with a friend from school and that the friend "saw". That could be where the teasing started from at school. Poor child.
 
  • #220
Well, I've gone through all 153 pages. They are not in chronological order. THERE WERE RED FLAGS ALL OVER THIS CASE FROM THE GET GO!!!!!!

It seems Nubia was sexually abused by her bio father (and possibly V too). As they were very very young when that happened, it can really affect a child's growth. They were seeing therapists for it.

Nubia was absent from school for two weeks due to excessive bleeding.

We've read about Nubia's condition - but I think there was more to it. Its hard to read between the lines and all of that has been redacted from the reports.

THERE IS ONE BIG HUGE THING THAT I HAVE TO ADDRESS:

These reports. All written by social workers or case workers or supervisors or whoever at DCF. The grammar, spelling, noun/verb agreement, ALL OF IT is absolutely ATROCIOUS!!! I mean its like none of these people were educated past the 5th grade (and I know a lot of 5th graders that wouldn't do THAT bad). In one report the writer is talking about "waste" or "wasting" and continually uses the word "waisted". It made my head hurt to read those. I understand the short hand "std" for stated and chn for children but its so much more than that. In one report, it actually says that "Nubia was stealing fun" FUN instead of FOOD! Unbelievable. Just unbelievable. No wonder we have such problems - MOST of these people have a minimal education and certainly CANNOT write a "report" to save their lives, much less investigate reports of child abuse.

First Zarha and now Nubia - this all has to stop. There has to be a better way.

I would like any thoughts or comments as to what I have discussed.

Not taking up for this particular caseworker or anyone attached to this case. They screwed up and they screwed up big time.

But in fairness to the caseworkers, it is their fault but it also goes higher than that. They have too many cases usually. That is true. They don't have a lot of time to spend on their neediest clients. Because they have a heavy caseload and more coming in every day. When a DCF agency gets low on funds, a hiring freeze is instituted before anything else. If that doesn't help, then layoffs follow. Home care workers and other support personnel are also in short supply, for the same reason usually.

Another problem is burnout. They see the worst things out of life, abused injured abandoned kids. But many times when they make recommendations problems arise. Sometimes it is the kids themselves. Not wanting to leave the parents they know, they may deny problems. Or they may resist entering the system. Then there are supers who haven't seen the kids, but decides not to remove them. Or the attorneys decide there isn't enough evidence. Or the court rules against them despite lots of evidence (just like in this case.) Many times they feel helpless and useless. That can lead to the apathy.

If a police officer or fire fighter comes in contact with a traumatic event, often they are given counseling. Caseworkers don't usually have that. They deal with it the best they can.

After the Rila Wilson case, IIRC they did a major study of the CPS in Florida. High caseloads, low caseworkers and support personnel were factors noted. CPS promised to correct that. Poor supervision was also a factor. They promised to correct that. Failure to visit and failure to investigate complaints were also problems. They promised to review their procedures and do what was necessary to correct that. Looks like it is time to review the review and see what and how many of those corrections were actually done.

As far as their use of English, most caseworkers rush through the paperwork because they have to budget their time between writing the reports and visiting their caseload. While they are writing they are also answering phones, filing and all the many other duties that surrounds their duties. That affects their writing.
 

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