GUILTY FL - Patty & Stephanie Bigbee, Lawrence Works, baby selling, Daytona Beach, 2010

[justbeachy]

HOLLY HILL, Fla. -- A Holly Hill woman has been arrested on charges of trying to sell her own 8-week-old grandson, authorities said on Friday.

Patty Bigbee, 45, was arrested after the Florida Department of Law Enforcement said she offered to sell the child for $75,000 sale price.

FDLE said that after a series of negotiations, Bigbee agreed on $30,000.


www.wesh.com/news/25650299/detail.html

Quote from neighbor: “Maybe they needed money,” Wells said.

Hello?!?! I know times are tough, but there has to be more options available than selling your grandson!!!!!

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Oh my.

As far as the neighbor saying maybe they needed money?????
Give me a fricken break.

This is human trafficking, plain and simple. Lock her up.

JMO

 

[ScorpRising]

I will never understand how people can be so cold. over the state of the world...

 

[Missizzy]

Sad to say, black market adoptions are done all the time in the US. People who cannot pass a typical homestudy, due to all sorts of reasons (ie a criminal background, poor health, etc), can take this route. A healthy infant adoption from a legal private agency currently runs $25,000-$50,000. Private agencies also act as a clearinghouse for public agencies and can place sibling groups and special needs children. Costs for those adoptions will be far lower as there is a federal financial incentive to place "waiting" children. Legitimate private agencies must follow all state and federal laws to stay in business. If an adoption costs more than that and sidesteps any mandated law, it is black market. That's criminal as the needs of the child are not considered--only the desires of the adopting parent.

If this grandmother had legal rights to this child, she could certainly place him for adoption. She would have the right to relinquish the infant to the state or she could choose to place him through a private agency. If she chose that path, some of her costs might be covered ie. travel costs, care of the child up until the placement, out of pocket medical expenses, etc--but not $75,000!!

I'm making the assumption that the child is one of color, due to the mug shots. Florida has tens of thousands of children of color awaiting placement. Anyone who can pass a homestudy and is willing to adopt a "waiting" child, is met with open arms. They will also receive a full medical card and monthly stipend for the child. An adoption from the public agency is almost totally free. So, anyone with good intentions and a clean background would take this route.

I have to believe that this grandmother knew this and just didn't care who took that little guy, as long as she got her money. Her actions are despicable.

 

[Filly]

What gets me is how she bargained. How's that work? Like when you're at the flea market? Did she say $75 and then the undercover agent say "Naw, I'll go $25" and the grandmom actually bartered? Did she say "I'll throw in a coach and a playpen?"

You just can't make that stuff up.

There's got to be so much more to this story. How'd the undercover agents get involved? Maybe the little one's mother dimed her own mom out from wherever she is?

Classic neighbor.

 

[passionflower]

I hope the baby is NOT around this grandmother (I hate to call her that!) ever!
What kind of life will this little one have not being wanted???
Hopefully he is adopted legally to a couple who will love and cherish him!!

 

[Missizzy]

You know I wondered about that too, Filly. Why wouldn't LE have let her hang herself for the higher amount? Maybe they just wanted to seem more authentic.

I'm sure the undercover agents had to give that baby an extra long hug after they were through with that mess. I know I would have. (Oh heck, we all know what I would have done--I've got an up to date homestudy and all....just sayin').

Bless whoever flipped on this woman and bless those agents for playing the part. Sadly, this story will be in the child's files and is his right to have some day. Many would hope that he would never be told but children need the whole story, no matter how sad, at an age appropriate time. The study of adoption and loss have taught us that fact.

 

[mikeysmommom]

She is an unfeeling monster, she should be put away for a long time.I am a Grandmother and I would give my life for my grandson.She had no idea if this baby would be hurt,abused,killed by the buyers.Thank GOD the people she tried selling the child to went to LE.I hope that child is given to a loving family who deserves him.

 

[Filly]

As of 21 minutes ago we learn that Patty Isellmyownfleshandblood Bigbee is an armed robber. Convicted. Did five years in Michigan.

No Florida record though.

No more news on the neighbor who figured Bigbee needed some money probably.



http://www.news-journalonline.com/n...11/07/accused-baby-sellers-still-in-jail.html

 

[Missizzy]

Little guy didn't need these people anyway. He can do much better. My prayers are with him.

Not sure if many people know that many many foster families are certified with the intention to adopt if a little guy comes their way who has parental rights terminated (and I cannot imagine a reunification effort going on here). The baby boy might already be in his forever home enjoying his family, totally unaware of the maelstrom spinning around him.

My prayers go out to his foster family too. Bless them for being ready with open arms.

 

[Tinsamd]

The judge ordered Peggy Bigbee, 45, held on a $100,000 bond.

FLDE agents said the couple brought Bigbee's infant grandson to a parking lot off International Speedway Boulevard in Daytona Beach Friday afternoon.

The undercover baby buyer paid the couple $30,000 in cash, and the baby boy was put in their backseat.

"This transaction today was absolutely ‘take this baby, give us our money and go,’" said FDLE Agent Wayne Ivey.

Agents said it was all about the money.

http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news/2010/november/169912/Grandma-accused-of-trying-to-sell-infant

The poor child's mother is already in jail on unrelated charges... Grandma's are supposed to buy you ice cream & spoil you when your parents are away. This little guy has certainly had a rough start, but it could have ended up SO MUCH WORSE had these two not been caught!!

 

[nanny1]

Are you kidding me ??

A couple of months ago my grandson was driving me up a wall and I told him ( he just turned 10)that I was going to sell him on Ebay.. I was seriously kidding with him.. Actually he asked me if we could split the money,I guess I didn't scare him.. Trust me he knew I was kidding.. I just can't beleive that someone would do this.. I will never kid like that again. Now I feel terrible for even joking about it..:banghead:

 

[mommy23]

Are you kidding me ??

A couple of months ago my grandson was driving me up a wall and I told him ( he just turned 10)that I was going to sell him on Ebay.. I was seriously kidding with him.. Actually he asked me if we could split the money,I guess I didn't scare him.. Trust me he knew I was kidding.. I just can't beleive that someone would do this.. I will never kid like that again. Now I feel terrible for even joking about it..:banghead:

Don't feel bad, I have said that to my own children... AS A JOKE!!!! Normal thinking of a caring responsible caretaker, would never fathom ACTUALLY DOING IT!!!!! And our normal, well adjusted children/grandchildren would never believe we would do such a thing!

This is just a horrible case! Mom can't take care of the child, and apparently grandma can't either, what a dysfunctional famliy, and very very sad :furious:

 

[LadyL]

maybe they needed money ...

yeah, that's why the rest of the world WORKS to support their dependants

someone remind me again why we can't legislate sterilization

 

[vokoya]

Here are some more news articles about people trying to sell their kids. Imagine how many people haven't got caught yet.

Accused Kidnapper Mom Willing To Sell Baby::: http://bit.ly/cd0rdT
Alleged Walmart Parking Lot Baby Salesman Beaten In Jail, Say Cops::: http://bit.ly/9bT4V9
Arizona couple suspected of trying to sell baby found at Utah hospital::: http://bit.ly/9iCElQ
Babysitter Admits Selling Child to Pedophile in Plea Bargain::: http://bit.ly/bOLOEw
Babysitter To Be Sentenced For Renting Child To Pedophile::: http://bit.ly/bigPFH
Beer for baby dad facing reckless endangerment charge::: http://bit.ly/afASd3
Man Accused Of Trying To Sell Child Appears In Court::: http://bit.ly/bAlYyi
Mother accused of trying to sell baby::: http://bit.ly/coYg1A
Suspect in fatal crash once sold her baby for 2,000::: http://bit.ly/9B4NGp

 

[Texas Mist]

FDLE: Grandma in baby-sale case wanted to cheat daughter

Her daughter, Stephanie Bigbee Fleming, 22, is also accused of attempting to sell her 11-week old son.

Not only did Patty Bigbee try to sell her 10-week-old grandson on the Internet, she hatched a plan to cheat the baby's mother out of her cut of the cash, investigators said Tuesday.
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On Tuesday, Florida Department of Law Enforcement officials laid out the elaborate scheme they say Bigbee — who moved to Florida with a criminal record and a trail of bad debt — cooked up to sell Aidan Fleming, now 11 weeks old, and enrich herself in the process.

According to authorities and the paper trail in the case, it went like this:

Bigbee won $1 million in the Missouri lottery two years ago, but she apparently squandered it.

Bigbee moved to Florida last year, unemployed and strapped for cash. In July, a small-claims judgment was lodged against her for $2,185. In August, her landlord evicted her from an apartment in Daytona Beach.

Then, on Aug. 24, Aidan was born to Bigbee's daughter Stephanie Bigbee-Fleming, also known as Stephanie Bigbee-Davis. She turns 22 today.

At some point, Bigbee-Fleming left Aidan at her mother's Holly Hill apartment and moved to Bradenton, where she lives with Aidan's presumed father, according to the FDLE report. Bigbee said the man, who has not been arrested, wanted more children with her daughter so they, too, could be sold, the report states. The man's criminal record includes convictions for aggravated assault with a weapon, domestic battery and child cruelty with physical and/or mental injury.

more here

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/florida/os-grandma-baby-sale-arrested-20101109,0,2432982.story

grrrrrr

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Good grief!!!! What a mess.

We had a case in Louisiana where a lady tried to trade a child for 2 parrots. I don't remember the details.

 

[Filly]

FDLE: Grandma in baby-sale case wanted to cheat daughter

Her daughter, Stephanie Bigbee Fleming, 22, is also accused of attempting to sell her 11-week old son.

Not only did Patty Bigbee try to sell her 10-week-old grandson on the Internet, she hatched a plan to cheat the baby's mother out of her cut of the cash, investigators said Tuesday.
.............................................

On Tuesday, Florida Department of Law Enforcement officials laid out the elaborate scheme they say Bigbee — who moved to Florida with a criminal record and a trail of bad debt — cooked up to sell Aidan Fleming, now 11 weeks old, and enrich herself in the process.

According to authorities and the paper trail in the case, it went like this:

Bigbee won $1 million in the Missouri lottery two years ago, but she apparently squandered it.

Bigbee moved to Florida last year, unemployed and strapped for cash. In July, a small-claims judgment was lodged against her for $2,185. In August, her landlord evicted her from an apartment in Daytona Beach.

Then, on Aug. 24, Aidan was born to Bigbee's daughter Stephanie Bigbee-Fleming, also known as Stephanie Bigbee-Davis. She turns 22 today.

At some point, Bigbee-Fleming left Aidan at her mother's Holly Hill apartment and moved to Bradenton, where she lives with Aidan's presumed father, according to the FDLE report. Bigbee said the man, who has not been arrested, wanted more children with her daughter so they, too, could be sold, the report states. The man's criminal record includes convictions for aggravated assault with a weapon, domestic battery and child cruelty with physical and/or mental injury.

more here

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/florida/os-grandma-baby-sale-arrested-20101109,0,2432982.story

grrrrrr

Dysfunction Junction. You couldn't make that up for a plot for a movie.

Convicted felon wins a million dollahs. Spends it. Splits to Florida. Takes her own grandchild and along with the child's "mother" goes online and sets up a deal to sell the child. Oh and I forgot barters for a real, live, flesh and blood infant for the most loot she can get.

That's not bad enough she figures she'll beat her own daughter for the money by giving a different figure.

Lord keep and love that child. In all actuality little Aidan was saved from that pack of nutters.


Ohhhhhhhhhhh, I'm sorry. There's more. The person who gave the tip to police is Bigbee's biological daughter who she hasn't seen since 1983! Danielle Skiver aged 27 is Bigbee's biological DD. They found eachother on Facebook. Skiver told her "mother" she wanted a baby, and that whackadoodle offers to sell Aidan to her.

Danielle Skiver Bless you and I pray that you had a decent life and thank goodness you were spared being raised by Bigbee.

Now what I'd like to know is how the heck she found the "mother" on FB with all those different aliases. Unbelievble!

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2010/no...sparked-child-sale-investigati/news-breaking/

 

[Filly]

Informant in baby selling plot speaks out!

Danielle Skiver said this isn't the first time her biological momster sold a baby. She did the same thing with Skiver when she was 1 year old.


http://www.wftv.com/countybycounty/25749206/detail.html


Ms. Skiver is working on trying to get custody of her nephew Aidan.

 

[Rayemonde]

June 2011:

A Holly Hill, Fla., grandmother accused of trying to sell her newborn grandson last year, pleaded no contest Thursday to two felony charges of illegal sale of a child and using a cell phone to commit a crime...

The Missouri Lottery confirmed that in 2008, Patty Bigbee won a $1 million lottery prize in Hazelwood, Mo. Reports are that Bigbee blew through the money in two years and became desperate for money...


Lawrence Works and Stephanie Bigbee Fleming were later charged with being a principal to illegal sale or surrender of a child. Works was released after spending 133 days in jail. Bigbee Fleming was sentenced to two years in prison.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/grandmother-attempts-sell-grandson/story?id=13870637