FL - Pedestrian bridge collapses at Florida International University, Miami, 2018

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Interesting to watch the doggie she goes out of view for a bit but comes back in -- amazing to watch her !!!

She takes a little pee pee break it was so cute the camera man gives her her privacy!!

Amazingly agile going over all the debris -- they film her for quite while

I heard about this earlier but did not realize what a mess it is -- what a mess

FL does it again .............

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzjXnlXwNS0
 
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Not making sense? It took 6 hours to put it up but it wont have people walking on it until 2019??

So what was going to be going on for the next 9 months?
 
  • #165
Not making sense? It took 6 hours to put it up but it wont have people walking on it until 2019??

So what was going to be going on for the next 9 months?

My exact thoughts!!!
 
  • #166
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#Breaking: One of the four dead is a female FIU student, sources say. She has not been identified yet.[FONT=&amp]
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Official numbers so far:4 dead9 survivors8 cars still under
#fiubridge. @MiamiHerald

Although the cars have not been lifted from under the bridge so that number may or may not rise.

more...including a clip the actual collapse
https://twitter.com/MoniqueOMadan

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[FONT=&amp]Monique O. Madan‏Verified account @MoniqueOMadan

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#Breaking: One of the four dead is a female FIU student, sources say. She has not been identified yet.[FONT=&amp]
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Official numbers so far:4 dead9 survivors8 cars still under
#fiubridge. @MiamiHerald

Although the cars have not been lifted from under the bridge so that number may or may not rise.

more...including a clip the actual collapse
https://twitter.com/MoniqueOMadan

[FONT=&amp]Monique O. Madan‏Verified account @MoniqueOMadan

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Thank you. First video I've seen of the collapse. Shame it only shows part of it.
 
  • #168
"The cables that suspend the #Miami bridge had loosened & the engineering firm ordered that they be tightened. They were being tightened when it collapsed today.

https://twitter.com/officialjoelf/status/974477515594059776 …"



*So, maybe the column with cables was there (I just couldn't see it in early aftermath pics)
 
  • #169
This company underbid other companies on this project. Their horrific safety record and failure of the very same pedestrian bridges in the last few years should have disqualified them from even bidding this project at all. IMO, my personal opinion here, is that someone most likely was bribed into awarding this contract to this company. They cut corners to built the bridge and did not meet the engineering standards, OSHA standards and construction standards required to build the bridge. Again, there are so many violations apparent to me just with the information available, I'm just blown away. This entire roadway should have been closed to traffic and personnel.

JMO, Someone got their palms greased to award this contract and now people are dead. People will be going to prison.

Thanks for your valuable insight.

Remember this is Miami. A city where much business is conducted by who you know and who you pay off.
A city on the official list of most corrupt city in Fl.
local news say they were tightening suspension cable when collapse happened.
Remember somebody has to pay when they stop and divert traffic. Part of contract costs. Why do it if no one forces
you to do this?
Now 6 confirmed dead and several vehicles could still have victims in them.
 
  • #170
BBM

Lax might be a better word to use in describing well almost anything in Florida.

MOO

No not lax- PAYOFFS!!!!! This is Miami, a very very very CORRUPT CITY. Common knowledge here.
 
  • #171
If you look at the pictures, there are cables between the upper and lower decks of the bridge. That may be what they were referring to.

"The cables that suspend the #Miami bridge had loosened & the engineering firm ordered that they be tightened. They were being tightened when it collapsed today.

https://twitter.com/officialjoelf/status/974477515594059776 …"



*So, maybe the column with cables was there (I just couldn't see it in early aftermath pics)
 
  • #172
If they were tightening cables, I wonder if that caused the load to shift to one side such that one support was taking a larger percentage of the bridge's weight.
 
  • #173
Not making sense? It took 6 hours to put it up but it wont have people walking on it until 2019??

So what was going to be going on for the next 9 months?


My guess is, the installation of the suspension tower and cables.

It's a bit late for that though
 
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No not lax- PAYOFFS!!!!! This is Miami, a very very very CORRUPT CITY. Common knowledge here.


I have never been to Miami - pretty obvious I guess! Have no desire to go there, either.
 
  • #175
I'm so angry right now, I hope I make sense here. First, I have twenty-five years experience in heavy construction, Capital project administrator experience with DuPont. I've built industrial plants, railways, chemical tank farms, roadways, bridges, many, many, major concrete support structures. This bridge project, in my opinion, was not built to any approved concrete design standards at all, the fact that the span was not supported at the time is totally unacceptable. At no time is it acceptable for the entire construction site to be open to pedestrian or for any traffic or work personnel until all spanning cables are in place for support, and for all testing is completed and signed off by structural engineering. Concrete testing reports of each and every pour is required to pass all standards. Concrete core samples have to pass a cure test as well. But most importantly, absolutely no personnel, equipment is allowed in the construction area at all times until the bridge is 100% complete, inspected and signed off from every engineer and state inspector there is. There are so many violations here it is impossible to cover them all right now. This is a multiple homicide event. There had to have been a lot of corruption and inferior work and lack of oversight on this project. Heads should roll.

I feel your anger my friend and totally understand it.

During my career I once worked for a large bridge construction company for 20 years. The DOT regulations are stringent as they should be. Each small phase has to be inspected by a certified DOT Engineer before they are allowed to go further.

Even if each span is built in the precast yard and erected at the site it still goes through extensive testing both when being in the precast yard being poured and onsite when its placed. Core testing of the concrete each time it is laid is a must along with the proper curing time for every new pour.

Every material that goes into the bridge goes through many tests. All of those things must be done and that is why it usually takes a long time for bridges to be completed.

Some seem to think it is the lack of regulations when that is totally misinformation. The regulations that must be followed when erecting any type of bridge is so many it will make most people's head spin. But they are a must and ethical bridge building companies know this and do it correctly each and every day across our highways.

Not once was our company fined by OSHA or by the DOT for not adhering to all the regulations required. We even imposed our own company safety regulations at all bridge sites to make sure the public and the bridge crew were protected. Safety was our number one priority. The company I worked for has been in business now for over 58 years, and not one bridge, overpass, or a overhead walkway bridge like this one has collapsed nor did they have to come back once completed to redo something that wasn't done properly.

The company I worked for is at the top pay scale for bridge construction crews so we were able to obtain very qualified workers with prior bridge building experience and once employed they have little turnover with many still being employed after 30-35 years or more.

Since this company was cited for having inexperienced and careless workers it seems to me all they cared about was cutting cost to make more profit. Probably many of these workers had no prior experience in bridge building and were paid minimal wages. Sadly, you get what you pay for and they would rather cut cost than build it correctly to ensure the safety for all.

ITA! Someone made a pact to pick this particular bridge company for why would they select them when they had already shown how little they thought about safety or having the proper bridge crew workers?

I would like to see a copy of the bids on this project to see if they low balled others when they bid. It could have even been bid rigging where someone tells this company what the other bridge companies bid on this job so they could do a lower bid. Bid rigging is a federal offense if it happened. Something sure smells to high heaven.

JMO
 
  • #176
sorry if posted

tid bits

apparently the cables had come loose and they were called in to tighten that is what was going on when.......

Crumbling was still occurring throughout the night

it has come out that from the FDT the university did not hire a pre approved additional contractor to do a secondary design test

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  • #177
The bridge was 174' long and it seems to have had supports. I was looking at it and it reminded me of the Sunshine Skyway Bridge. I was down there right after the former one dropped into the ocean, when hit by a barge, iirc. That was a very eerie site going over the remaining bridge, too. I digress, the new, well, now old, Sunshine Bridge is spectacular, and,







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Confused is this the same bridge?

I am visual and this pic is helpful and enraging.

I had a different image as far as the cables went

what idiot would not close the road instantly ?

the cables are like holding it UP (not what I visualized) i was thinking more horizontally as opposed to vertically

but then -- is this the same bridge? I do not see any grass medium in this one??
 
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Wondering if temperatures might have had something to do with it -- we have been swinging about 20 22 degrees over the past several weeks

you post was helpful thankyou!

Wonder how long it had been sitting on the side after being completed.

If we think about swinging around giant structures in six hours SURE sounds like more than ample opportunity for something to stress out right then - the more I think about it sounds like a totally flat out stupid idea

ok "roll her out and stick her up"

bridges are not designed to be moved

and attaching a 900 ton "anything" sure sounds like a rush item to me!

Shoot it can me more than 6 hours to do some deep cleaning!!!

The bridge was 174' long and it seems to have had supports. I was looking at it and it reminded me of the Sunshine Skyway Bridge. I was down there right after the former one dropped into the ocean, when hit by a barge, iirc. That was a very eerie site going over the remaining bridge, too. I digress, the new, well, now old, Sunshine Bridge is spectacular, and,







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Is this the one that collapsed? I dont see a grass medium on the one the fell?
 
  • #180
Is this the one that collapsed? I dont see a grass medium on the one the fell?

This pic is a simulation. The part to the left of the center support is not done yet
 

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