FL FL - Pensacola, WhtMale, 25-45 - Lion, Cross with Halo and "ex-con" tattoos- UP103127- March 8, 1989 - Charles E. Collier - NamUs Reinstated

[PatLaurel]

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

0 Missing Person Exclusions


Estimated Year of Death 1988-1989
Estimated PMI 2 Months

Height 5' 9"(69 inches) , Estimated

Circumstances of Recovery- Unidentified white male found extremely decomposed and partially skeletonized. Located in a thicket between an abandoned building and refrigerator-freezer trailer on Palafox street. Believed to be a transient. Believed to have been deceased 2-4 months at the time of discovery.

Distinctive Physical Features​

Tattoo
Lion on lower anterior sternum, Cross with Halo over superior medial aspects of nipples bilaterally and “ex con” overlying the anterior medial aspect of the left lower leg (just above the ankle)

Clothing and Accessories​

Clothing
HIS brand blue jeans Dark blue/black nylon socks Brown rubber sole casual lace-up shoes Blue/green fish net underwear (jockey)
On the Body

 

[PatLaurel]

UP103127

Clipping found in Pensacola News Journal published in Pensacola, Florida on 3/9/1989. UP103127

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[PatLaurel]

 

[PatLaurel]

UP103127

Clipping found in Pensacola News Journal published in Pensacola, Florida on 3/11/1989. UP103127

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[PatLaurel]

UP103127

Clipping found in Pensacola News Journal published in Pensacola, Florida on 6/19/1989. UP103127

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[PatLaurel]

UP103127

Clipping found in Pensacola News Journal published in Pensacola, Florida on 4/12/1995. UP103127

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[PatLaurel]

UP103127

Clipping found in Pensacola News Journal published in Pensacola, Florida on 10/17/1997. UP103127

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[PatLaurel]

NamUs profile was updated and there's a different description of the Lion tattoo.

"Seated Lion with possible necklace rosary around the neck(...)"

I did notice a cross when I uploaded the photo, but not a rosary and, now that that detail was added, I believe the animal depicted is not a Lion, but a Dog. What appears to be the mane is the "possible" rosary (and some other indiscernible symbol) around the neck. Also, the short tail resembles that of a Dog, same with the snout. MOO

As to the crosses above the nipples, they are "Pachuco Crosses", and since they represent gang affiliation and are usually accompanied by the gang initials, I wonder if the Lion/Dog could be the symbol of the gang our JD was affiliated with? Pachuco Cross Tattoo Meaning and symbolism - MyTatouage.com


MOO JMO

 

[John/Jane Doe]

Now Othram is working on the case:

Escambia County John Doe (1989) is Now identified

District One Medical Examiner's Office and Othram Team to Identify 1989 Escambia County John Doe

dnasolves.com

 

[MadMcGoo]

UP103127

Clipping found in Pensacola News Journal published in Pensacola, Florida on 3/11/1989. UP103127

www.newspapers.com

A couple of articles suggest investigators thought he may have been from California. I wonder what made them come to that conclusion. If true, he was pretty far from home.

Personal effects indicate the man may be from California.

 

[Beccalicious]

Bumping

 

[DS2021]

Identified as Charles Collier

Escambia County John Doe (1989) is Now identified

District One Medical Examiner's Office and Othram Team to Identify 1989 Escambia County John Doe

dnasolves.com

 

[PatLaurel]

Glad to see you've got your name back. Would love to know the story of your life...
R.I.P. Charles E. Collier

 

[PatLaurel]

This John Doe is back on NamUs.
Any idea why, @othram?

https://www.namus.gov/UnidentifiedPersons/Case#/103127

 

[iamshadow21]

This John Doe is back on NamUs.
Any idea why, @othram?

https://www.namus.gov/UnidentifiedPersons/Case#/103127

The listing says partial remains. Sometimes that plays into it, I think. In case they find more, or another UID case turns out to be more.

 

[PatLaurel]

The listing says partial remains. Sometimes that plays into it, I think. In case they find more, or another UID case turns out to be more.

It's the exact same description as prior to his identification. If a different set of remains it should be a new case, IMO.

MOO JMO

 

[The4TierBridge]

It's the exact same description as prior to his identification. If a different set of remains it should be a new case, IMO.

MOO JMO

They also made new and nicer pictures of his tattoos. Very strange.

 

[PatLaurel]

They also made new and nicer pictures of his tattoos. Very strange.

Could it be a case of misidentification?
I have to admit, I was a little surprised when this JD's ID came out. Was expecting him to be Hispanic and most likely Mexican, given his Pachuco tattoos.

I'm sure @othram will clear this up for us.

MOO JMO

 

[MadMcGoo]

I moved the thread back to the Unidentified, as the 'new' images on NamUs were uploaded a few days ago. I wonder what happened with the ID.

 

[DS2021]

The listing says partial remains. Sometimes that plays into it, I think. In case they find more, or another UID case turns out to be more.

I've seen missing people listed in namus if part of their remains are still missing.

I don't know why they would re open the uid case, unless maybe they've determined that there were remains of another person intermixed.