FL FL - Pinellas Co, WhtFem, 35-55, Headless & Weighted Down, Belleair Beach, 25 Apr 1972

[Romulus]

Bump!

 

[Mrs. Badcrumble]

Looks like Parabon Nanolabs has created DNA phenotype recons of Belleair Beach Jane Doe

Mary Jane VanGilder is also ruled out per NamUs.

 

[BrownBear]

4 Exclusions
MP5639 Peggy Byars-Baisden 04/02/1965 Polk, FL
MP1670 Mary Cook 11/14/1970 Polk, FL
MP4388 Kathaleen Folk-Hine 01/15/1972 Manatee, FL
MP52034 Mary Vangilder 03/07/1945 Richland, OH

 

[victoriarobinson642]

via NAMUS:
Parabon Nanolabs Genetic Genealogy Research indicated that Jane Doe 1972 has Italian ancestry. The identified genetic descents of Jane Doe 1972 are all originally from New Jersey and New York.

 

[Bit of hope]

Also Interesting:

Possible First Name Rose/Julia
Possible Last Name Devito / Devita / Sorel / Gorel / Goril
Haircolor: Brown
Eyecolor: Parabon Snapshot Phenotype Report Jane Doe predicted to have green or blue eyes.

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

 

[luulabobss]

Also Interesting:

Possible First Name Rose/Julia
Possible Last Name Devito / Devita / Sorel / Gorel / Goril
Haircolor: Brown
Eyecolor: Parabon Snapshot Phenotype Report Jane Doe predicted to have green or blue eyes.

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

Very interesting. I wonder where this information about her name came from - is it from the Genetic Genealogy research?

 

[Bit of hope]

Very interesting. I wonder where this information about her name came from - is it from the Genetic Genealogy research?

I think so. Sadly they weren't able to find the right family tree yet or couldn't pinpoint the exact or close enough siblings, so it seems.

If you are interested and have the time, this is an interesting and fairly recent publication on the topic. DEFINE_ME

 

[luulabobss]

I think so. Sadly they weren't able to find the right family tree yet or couldn't pinpoint the exact or close enough siblings, so it seems.

If you are interested and have the time, this is an interesting and fairly recent publication on the topic. DEFINE_ME

Thank you for this! I have only read a little bit so far but definitely makes for interest reading.

 

[Bit of hope]

I find it amazing that they are able to make a recon of a face from a headless body. Really fantastic! Based on experiences with other phenotype recons it still will be hard to recognize somebody purely based on the looks.

Looking at the age range at her Namus file she must have been born between approx. 1907 - 1937, so it's a pretty broad range.

 

[PayrollNerd]

I find eye color interesting because the predictions one would normally expect, are not what happened in our family. It’s like we are outliers or something. So when I see a report that predicts blue or green, I am always curious to see what it actually is. Hopefully with Ancestry DNA tests on sale, more testers will upload to GEDmatch this winter.

 

[Mrs. Badcrumble]

Also Interesting:

Possible First Name Rose/Julia
Possible Last Name Devito / Devita / Sorel / Gorel / Goril
Haircolor: Brown
Eyecolor: Parabon Snapshot Phenotype Report Jane Doe predicted to have green or blue eyes.

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

Looks like they are closing in on her identity; her NamUs page was recently updated and it now says

"Possible First Name
Julia

Possible Middle Name
--

Possible Last Name
Devito

Nickname/Alias
Julia Sorel"

 

[Caring1]

4 Missing Person Exclusions:

Missing Person / NamUs #MP5639Peggy Byars-Baisden
Date of Last ContactApril 02, 1965
StateFL
CountyPolk

Missing Person / NamUs #MP1670Mary Cook
Date of Last ContactNovember 14, 1970
StateFL
CountyPolk

Missing Person / NamUs #MP4388Kathaleen Folk-Hine
Date of Last ContactJanuary 15, 1972
StateFL
CountyManatee

Missing Person / NamUs #MP52034Mary Vangilder
Date of Last ContactMarch 07, 1945
StateOH
CountyRichland

 

[victoriarobinson642]

Investigators have uploaded census records of Julia DeVito-Sorel. It appears that she was born around 1910 in New Jersey and was married.

 

[Friday Fan]

I find eye color interesting because the predictions one would normally expect, are not what happened in our family. It’s like we are outliers or something. So when I see a report that predicts blue or green, I am always curious to see what it actually is. Hopefully with Ancestry DNA tests on sale, more testers will upload to GEDmatch this winter.

Eye color is easy to predict with DNA.
It's one of those "fun tricks" you can do when you get your DNA results: Plug your DNA into GedMatch and it will show a picture of your eyes!

The rest of the gimmicks aren't quite as accurate.

However, Promethease showed I had lactose intolerance in huge red letters LOL That one is true!

 

[Friday Fan]

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Investigators appear to have uploaded census records of Julia DeVito-Sorel. It appears that she was born around 1910 in New Jersey and was married.

She would have been 62 as opposed to 35-55

 

[victoriarobinson642]

She would have been 62 as opposed to 35-55

The NAMUS age range is now 35-65, so she'd be on the upper end.

 

[carbuff]

View attachment 356573
Investigators have uploaded census records of Julia DeVito-Sorel. It appears that she was born around 1910 in New Jersey and was married.

I may be reading these wrong, but it looks to me like she grew up in institutions, St. Joseph's Home For Girls and House of the Good Shepherd. No parent listed anywhere that I saw.

 

[victoriarobinson642]

I may be reading these wrong, but it looks to me like she grew up in institutions, St. Joseph's Home For Girls and House of the Good Shepherd. No parent listed anywhere that I saw.

That would definitely explain the trouble they had narrowing down her identity.

 

[citizen_sleuth]

Apparently it is thought that her was not deliberately severed, as no cut marks were found, but fell off due to stress from floating in the water. However, her body had been cut open from the second rib to the center of the body and then down to the hip and the wires holding the weights were actually embedded in her flesh.

She may been dumped from a boat 4 or 5 miles offshore in the Sarasota-Bradenton area and was carried north by the currents in the gulf.

"Headless Body Found on Beach," News-Press [Fort Myers, FL], 26 April 1972, 10B.

A headless body wired with weights was found by a 15-year-old surfer Tuesday after it washed ashore here near a Gulf Coast residential area, police said.

"Belleair Surfer Finds Headless Body," Tampa Tribune, 26 April 1972, 9A.

The body was reportedly tied with wire and screen and had weights imbedded into the flesh. "There is a definite indication of foul play," Anderson remarked.

[...]

Police would not release the name of the boy who found the body which washed onto the beach between Sixth and Seventh Streets. Anderson said the boy was "very upset" over the incident.

Fred Kellander, "Headless Body May Have Drifted North," Tampa Tribune, 27 April 1972, 2B.

The results of an autopsy on a nude headless body that washed onto Belleair Shores Beach Tuesday morning indicate the female corpse had been floating in the gulf from five to seven days and probably drifted onto the beach from somewhere south of here.

Dr. John Shinner, Pinellas County medical examiner, told the sheriff's department yesterday that the corpse evidently had been a well-nourished female of about 125 pounds and stood about 5 feet 4 inches tall. She evidently had rather stocky legs and a well-tanned body or naturally dark skin, he remained.

According to Shinner, she was a well-groomed person, having finely manicured toenails and fingernails.

[...]

The corpse -- which had a wire through it with lead weights attached -- was found at about 6:30 a.m. by a 15-year-old boy who was surfing.

Police indicate that fishing sinkers and a 10-pound weight were attached to the corpse with the aid of wires of a clothesline variety.

Shinner told police the body had been cut open from the second rib to the center of the body and then down to the hip. Concerning the severed head, Shinner said he found no cut marks and is fairly sure the head wasn't deliberately cut off, but rather was severed at a joint with the neck bone, perhaps by stress while floating in the water.

Because of the general direction of the currents in the gulf and the recently prevailing southern winds, police theorize the body may have come from somewhere in the Sarasota-Bradenton area, however, Lt. Robert Falk of the Sheriff's department added that an investigation into wind and current factors is continuing.

"Shot-Up Boat Linked To Body?," Tampa Bay Times [St. Petersburg, FL], 27 April 1972, 3B.

Shinner said a cut from the chest to the pelvic area was made deliberately, probably in an effort to make the body less buoyant, Falk said.

[...]

Wires holding lead weights were tied around and through the waist area. There were indications that other weights were missing.

"Headless Body: Simple Funeral," Tampa Bay Times [St. Petersburg, FL], 10 May 1972, SN2.

Based on a study of tides, currents, winds and other relevant data, a marine biologist aiding the sheriff's department estimates that the body came from about four or five miles off shore and about two miles south of a where it was found, said Lt. Robert Falk of the sheriff's department.

"This is strictly theory," he added.

 

[Caring1]

One new exclusion. Marjorie Wilson has been added.

5 Missing Person Exclusions