Resolved FL - Port St Joe, 2 Children 96UMFL & 66UFFL, bound & gagged in photo, Jun'89

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  • #321
I also think there is a very strong resemblance between the unknown girl and Tara. If it is Tara, it goes against the main theory of her being hit by a car by a couple of boys who were harassing her on her bike ride. I wish we could rule Tara in or out, because if this is Tara, it is more likely she was kidnapped off of her bike, instead of being a victim of a hit-and-run cover up.
 
  • #322
I thought it could be 'lyre__', especially as there could be a lyre-like symbol in the middle of the printing. However, having googled lyres it seems an unlikely subject for a t-shirt or a young girl!

You may be correct about the second letter being a Y. It could be Daffy Duck's (she's wearing a skirt) outstretched arms forming it. If so, the first letter could be a dog with arms folded and foot sticking out (perhaps to form an L or even E), and the third and fifth letters could be similar dogs.

Alternatively the first 'three' letters look very much like a large letter M, with Daffy Duck standing behind it. If so it could either be followed by (and joined up with) a U or V (looking quite cat-like) which would result in a three letter word, or maybe it's followed by a '&' with a single letter after it.

If it is a case of abduction, there remains the possibility that the abductor had articles of clothing that he wanted the abductees to wear. Or just extra clothing that they would change into periodically. The females shirt doesn't necessarily reflect where she had been or what she was wearing prior to this image. It may provide a hint as to the abductors travels, home state etc. The clothing may even be part of the scene staging, some form of clue like the book placement. Which is almost certainly placed like that for the benefit of the polaroid image.

I'm probably overthinking it though.
 
  • #323
If it is a case of abduction, there remains the possibility that the abductor had articles of clothing that he wanted the abductees to wear. Or just extra clothing that they would change into periodically. The females shirt doesn't necessarily reflect where she had been or what she was wearing prior to this image. It may provide a hint as to the abductors travels, home state etc. The clothing may even be part of the scene staging, some form of clue like the book placement. Which is almost certainly placed like that for the benefit of the polaroid image.

I'm probably overthinking it though.

I can see the large 'M' now, as you have mentioned. In which case it would be two or three letters following. Donald Duck and a 'M'. Worth exploring further for sure!
 
  • #324
It looks like the dog/bear is actually wearing an eye patch, as a reference to pirates?
 
  • #325
I've done some image sharpening and a side by side with a pic of Tara. To me, the nose, curve of the right brow, the size and shape of the eyes and the jaw line are close matches. The shape of the ear and especially the hairline are almost exactly the same. I do think it is Tara. As for the left brow (what would be her right, perhaps there is some distortion from the scan of the polaroid, or jpeg artifacting that seem to flatten it, but with her expression, the brow would be dropped, rather than lifted in previous photos of her that I've seen as portraits. Also, with some contrast added, the eyes tell a different story. Maybe one of being worn out and lost. I don't think these expression are staged now. As for the shirt, could it maybe say 'Lyles' or similar?

Wow, yeah that does really look like Tara. The resemblance of Tara and the unknown girl has always fascinated me. And Tara is not an ordinary looking girl either. She had pretty unique and distinct features. With Tara's case recently being reopened i wonder if the police department could release the second shot of the girl which was found in a construction site in Montecito, California, or at least feature it in the upcoming documentary.
 
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I wondered if the shirt had the acronym "LYLAS" on it. Standing for "Love you like a sister," LYLAS was a popular 80's/90's catch phrase. My yearbooks are full of it. I searched for any t-shirts with this on it, but have been unsuccessful. It also appears to me that the "y" is a little cartoon girl with her hands held up in a "V" to form the letter. The body shape of the character reminds me of the roundness of the Peanut characters.

Posted from a Galaxy tablet far, far away.
 
  • #328
I truly think the picture is a hoax. The 2 suspected kids in the photos have already been found or LE knows what happened to them. LE did say that it could be a probable hoax from the beginning. It reminds me of Balloon Boy.
 
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I truly think the picture is a hoax. The 2 suspected kids in the photos have already been found or LE knows what happened to them. LE did say that it could be a probable hoax from the beginning. It reminds me of Balloon Boy.

There was a photo that surfaced in a Port St. Joe Florida parking lot many years ago of 3 boys tied and gagged in a bed. That turned out to be a hoax. It turned out to be 3 brothers from Tampa and the mom recognized them when it hit the news. She had said something like that they used to do this for fun and take pics (seriously???). Yup good old family fun gone wrong. Used to do that with my family too. Just kidding.

Anyways, if you note my prev post to this, it seems that LE had renewed their efforts to find the identities in 2009, the 20th anniversary. So I don't think that these kids ever came home or where identified, unless it is a hoax and LE hasn't been privy to it.
 
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I truly think the picture is a hoax. The 2 suspected kids in the photos have already been found or LE knows what happened to them. LE did say that it could be a probable hoax from the beginning. It reminds me of Balloon Boy.

If it was a hoax, and I damn well hope it was, then I do think it is unusual that nobody came forward that recognised the subjects in the pic. It did get a lot of coverage way back when it happened, and has had renewed media interest a couple of times since. Surely somebody, whether it be school friends, neighbours, people that lived in the town etc, would have come forward to say "I know that female/boy" and that would have put an end to it. I don't think LE would intentionally let Tara's family go on thinking it was her, had they any clue that it was, indeed, a fake. That makes less sense to me than the sad possibility that it is real.
 
  • #333
If it's a hoax, then it's probably a brother and sister (and maybe another sibling, who took the picture) who did it as a joke and accidentally dropped the photo -- why would they purposefully leave it in hopes of getting people riled up, in 1989? It's not like there'd be immediate news coverage, or anything that they could look at necessarily with the technology of the time. So, if it's a hoax, it's awfully weird why these kids would do such a thing in the first place. And, as mentioned, if it were a hoax then you'd think someone who knew the hoaxers would come forward.

And, of course, they would hardly know who Tara Calico was, or most other missing kids, in order to purposefully stage it with that intent.

I think it is real. There are a million reasons why we don't know who the kids are yet; it's also perhaps more likely that they were abused by a family member, and so never abducted in the first place. Sad, but it's a sad world. The expressions on the boy and girl's faces look quite unnervingly "real" to me.
 
  • #334
I agree, except I don't think it's a family member - I imagine they mentally gag their kids rather than physically.
 
  • #335
I think these kids may have never been reported missing or anything. I think they may have been victims of child abuse, whether it be through a family member, acquaintance, neighbor, friend's parent, etc. They may have never even told anyone about it, and I can understand why if this is so, as sad as that is. If they are still around, it'd be nice to have them come forward to clear the air and put the mystery to rest.
 
  • #336
If it's a hoax, then it's probably a brother and sister (and maybe another sibling, who took the picture) who did it as a joke and accidentally dropped the photo -- why would they purposefully leave it in hopes of getting people riled up, in 1989? It's not like there'd be immediate news coverage, or anything that they could look at necessarily with the technology of the time. So, if it's a hoax, it's awfully weird why these kids would do such a thing in the first place. And, as mentioned, if it were a hoax then you'd think someone who knew the hoaxers would come forward.

And, of course, they would hardly know who Tara Calico was, or most other missing kids, in order to purposefully stage it with that intent.

I think it is real. There are a million reasons why we don't know who the kids are yet; it's also perhaps more likely that they were abused by a family member, and so never abducted in the first place. Sad, but it's a sad world. The expressions on the boy and girl's faces look quite unnervingly "real" to me.

Just a few thoughts in response to your post:
1. If the picture is real, why would they leave it behind and draw the attention to law enforcement?
2. I can think of one good reason why a hoaxer would not come forward- fear of getting into trouble.
3. The kids look remarkably clean. There are no signs of bruises, the clothing is free of stains and the boy looks like he recently has his hair trimmed. They do not look like they've suffered years of abuse.
4. I think that many people saw the picture and thought they looked like some kids that they knew but never reported it because the kids were still in the area riding bikes, hanging out, etc. I think people were looking for 2 missing kids instead of looking for 2 kids who may/may not be missing.
5. Kids do weird things all the time. The boys in the Johnny Gosch hoax pictures were trying to enter a contest.


"“I literally could not breathe. I could not get my breath,” Gosch told Channel 13′s Brilbeck. “I was so totally unprepared to see something like that. All these years had gone by and here was this picture.”

The image in question depicted a young boy, hog-tied and wearing only his underpants and socks.

Gosch took the photos to the West Des Moines police department.

“When I did we spread them out and the detective kept saying ‘That’s Johnny, that’s Johnny,’” said Gosch. “I said ‘I know that’s Johnny.’”

The press went wild. Newspapers and television stations across the country reported Gosch’s story. Then came a call from the West Des Moines police, who told Gosch they were planning a press conference of their own; they planned to announce the pictures weren’t of Johnny after all.

“I said that picture is Johnny, and the detective said to me, ‘Well, somebody from Florida called in and said he used to be an investigator and remembered the pictures — those pictures — from a case in 1970-something,’” Gosch said.

Noreen Gosch said she asked the detective if the caller had provided them with any evidence, and he’d responded with ‘no,’ telling her they just had the phone call.

“And based on his phone call you’re going to do a press conference and say that picture’s not Johnny?” she recalled asking him. “And he said, ‘Well, yes I am.’”

To this day, Gosch believes the boy in the photo is her son, and that he was bound, gagged and abused, and taken for the purpose of satisfying pedophiles. Police continue to insist it’s not him.

“We found out where the photos were taken,” Lt. Miller told Brilbeck. “We talked with investigators in Florida and they were able to identify all of the kids in that picture and they weren’t Johnny Gosch.”
http://iowacoldcases.org/case-summaries/johnny-gosch/
 
  • #337
I've always thought this picture was a hoax. The girl doesn't even look bound to me--just like she is pretending to be. Also, the Sheriff's story about what likely happened to Tara sounds a lot more probable than that she was kidnapped and kept as part of some sex ring, and is depicted in this photo. People have said, "Well, if the Sheriff says he has enough to arrest these people, why doesn't he?" Simple. Enough to arrest is not enough to convict. Not by a longshot. And heck, with everyone out there who thinks this picture is Tara, including her mother, that's enough reasonable doubt right there, no? Especially with no body. I'm sure he's hoping time and conscience, maybe alcohol and loose lips, something, anything, will eventually lead them to her body, and then, they can finally move forward.
 
  • #338
I will admit that it does look staged with the V.C. Andrews book setting there like that.
 
  • #339
The problem I have with it being a hoax however is the fear in the boy's eyes and the fact that subsequent pics where found of the girl and the polaroid film was dated several months later. If it where a hoax like the photo of the boys why would someone continue to take these pics and deposit them in locations across the US? There would have to be an adult involved because the photos where at different states across the country and children would not travel that distance by themselves or be able to set up this elaborate hoax. What adult would do this? An adult that is a predator who is getting some perverse reaction from doing this and it would not be a hoax.

At the minimum, yes brother and sister who are being used as some part of a parent's sick fantasy and probably abused molested or worse. That would be criminal and disturbing itself and should be found.
 
  • #340
The problem I have with it being a hoax however is the fear in the boy's eyes and the fact that subsequent pics where found of the girl and the polaroid film was dated several months later. If it where a hoax like the photo of the boys why would someone continue to take these pics and deposit them in locations across the US? There would have to be an adult involved because the photos where at different states across the country and children would not travel that distance by themselves or be able to set up this elaborate hoax. What adult would do this? An adult that is a predator who is getting some perverse reaction from doing this and it would not be a hoax.

At the minimum, yes brother and sister who are being used as some part of a parent's sick fantasy and probably abused molested or worse. That would be criminal and disturbing itself and should be found.

If I am not mistaken, those photos have never been made public. Only 2 were; the bound and gagged and the one of the boy. If you look at the Johnny Gosch pictures, they look far worse but the back story isn't; in fact, all the boys who participated said that they had fun. I don't think an abuser would intentionally draw law enforcement's attention to his pictures.
 
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