GUILTY FL - Robert, 67, & Myriam Dienes, 56, murdered, 20 Aug 2015 *daughter sentenced LWOP*

Numerous witnesses named:
3 witnesses cleared to testify after speculation of possible mistrial in Nachtman murder case
Published: 12:33 PM EDT July 26, 2019
Updated: 3:57 PM EDT July 26, 2019

TAMPA, Fla. — Nicole Nachtman's trial continued Friday following speculation of a possible mistrial after rumors witnesses heard information outside of the trial or watched a live stream of the courtroom.

Three witnesses were brought in, one at a time, to be questioned by the judge and the defense to their knowledge of the trial before their testimony and were asked if they had watched live coverage online.

All three witnesses denied watching live streams. One witness claimed to have only heard a news anchor discussing the length of jury selection, while another said she had shared a link to the live stream with her parents -- so they could watch the testimony.

After briefly making a notion to strike the first witness, Judge Sabella decided to waive the motion and clear the witnesses to testify.
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More witnesses for the state came forward to testify Friday morning.
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A Publix supervisor began the trial Friday morning, testifying the surveillance video captured on August 18, 2015, was Robert Dienes. Sergeant Carla Perez with the Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office reaffirmed this in her testimony by adding she received the receipts from the transactions between Publix, China Wok and Pep Boys.

It was reaffirmed Friday there were fingerprints lifted from the crime scene matching Nachtman's. Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office forensic print analyst Wesley Zackery, Jr. testified he specifically helped lift the prints, and Nachtman was positively identified.

The cross-examination from the defense questioned the match and said it is not uncommon for someone living in a residence to have their fingerprints lifted.

Nachtman's cousin, David Lehr, also testified in the case telling about his interaction with Nachtman during the summer of 2015. He testified she seemed to have a "regular demeanor" and said she had asked him to borrow $100 for the overflow housing fee she owed since she was late on filing for housing.

Lehr said it wasn't the first time she had asked to borrow money from him, so he didn't see it as odd. He said he drove straight to the Dienes' home after hearing about the murders and called both Nachtman and Nachtman's brother, Joseph.

"I was worried about her, I was just trying to calm her down, I didn't want something to happen at her school, but she said [law enforcement] was already there, so I calmed down," Lehr said.

Cross-examination from the defense tried to minimalize the relationship and bring to question the closeness of the two families. Lehr testified during the cross-examination that Nachtman did indeed seem nervous about the mistake and owing $100 for being late on residency because she didn't want her mother to find out.

Marial Battle, one of Nachtman's prior roommates in overflow housing and who is currently an FSU student testified about her experiences with Nachtman. Battle claimed Nachtman did not arrive at the residency until Friday and told her, if anyone asks, that she moved in the day before.

Battle also testified her mom had recently been in a car accident of some sort in Tampa, and she appeared to be "sweating and nervous."

The cross-examination of the defense again brought to question the fact Nacthman's family had not been present during her move-in like Battle's had been, and Battle agreed she thought it was strange.

Now that their testimonies have been cleared by the judge, three witnesses who interacted with Nachtman in 2015 and had been students at the time were told to expect to testify following lunch.

Following lunch, Petra Henry was brought to the stand to testify. Henry testified she originally met Nachtman on August 21 and she said she was surprised to see her as it was unexpected. Henry said she first saw Nachtman sitting in the top bunk with a blanket wrapped around her and said she seemed disheveled and tired. She added Nachtman didn't have sheets on her bed and was sitting with an empty suitcase and appeared to be mumbling to herself.

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Jessica Gilbert, a residential worker at FSU at the time of the incident in 2015, was next up to testify and said she was employed with FSU for four years. Gilbert testified Nachtman was contacted by FSU in mid-to-late July about housing for fall 2015 after missing the deadline as a returning student. She added the deadline was January 2015, and Gilbert said housing would try to work on a contract with her.
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Christina Chiodi was brought in as a witness and testified she checked Nachtman into Smith Hall, where overflow housing was located around 9 a.m. on Friday, Aug. 21. She testified she informed Nachtman to fill out some paperwork and said she went over rules of the building before providing her a key.

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Gale Berghorn, who was a digital forensics criminal lab analyst at the time of the 2015 incident, testified she extracted information from Nachtman's phone on November 6, 2015, when she assigned the evidence in the case. She testified about the processes and security of the evidence as it is processed, including the use of two programs which allowed her to accurately extract the information from the phone.
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Lacey Zacher, a criminal intelligence analyst with the Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office, was brought forth to testify on cell phone records she helped to investigate starting in May 2016.
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Detective Samuel Portalatin was brought to the witness stand as the state's final witness of the day. He testified on finding and tracking Nachtman's vehicle and said he listened to the call between Detective Messer and Nachtman which he said happened not too long after the shootings. He also testified about other recorded phone conversations between the detective and grandmother and another relative, Eric Lehr.
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The state expects to rest its case Monday. The trial will resume at 9 a.m. on Monday.
 
My laptop is kaput - so I can't do anything on here until about Thursday, maybe Wednesday. I shall have to update the days then. I am in an internet cafe & they charge by the hour, so I shall catch up later with the witnesses & such.

Thanks SeesSeas for keeping the us updated! :)
 
My laptop is kaput - so I can't do anything on here until about Thursday, maybe Wednesday. I shall have to update the days then. I am in an internet cafe & they charge by the hour, so I shall catch up later with the witnesses & such.

Thanks SeesSeas for keeping the us updated! :)
Ugh . . . computer problems. :(
You're welcome (re: updates) I know you like to have all of the trial witness names, so I try to find and include those in the media snips.
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Nachtman’s former roommate testifies about her obsession with the Frozen character ‘Elsa’
Updated: 6:20 PM EDT July 29, 2019
TAMPA, Fla. — The second week of Nicole Nachtman's murder trial was off to a late start Monday as conversation swirled around a self-defense and insanity plea for the record.
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Three witnesses were cleared to testify Friday after rumors circulated about the witnesses watching a livestream of the trial and discussing the trial ahead of time.
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Detective Samuel Portalatin was brought to the podium once again, and the prosecution acknowledged it had no further questions for him.
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Shortly after, Leszek Chrostowski -- a forensic and associated medical examiner with Hillsborough County -- was brought forward to testify. He testified the crime scene is under the jurisdiction of the police, but the body is under the jurisdiction of the medical examiner in Florida.
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Yolanda Soto with the Florida Department of Law Enforcement in Tampa came forward to testify about the gun and bullets used in the crime scene. Four bullet casings, a red silicone tip and a gun magazine were extracted from the case when she started to investigate in September 2015, Soto testified.
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The trial started up again around 1:30 p.m. Monday as the state brought in Kimberly Sutton, a DNA analyst with FDLE, as a witness. She testified her role is to look at and investigate a small part of the one percent of DNA which makes a person unique.
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The defense brought forth its first witness, Jacquelyn Roman-Eismann via Skype and a notary swore her in from afar. Eismann, now a stay-at-home mom, testified she was previously one of Nachtman's roommates. She also testified she thought it was strange none of her family helped her to settle into the room, and she said neither the parents nor the family ever came to visit when she lived with her from 2014 to 2015.
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Connie Bell with the FDLE in Tampa was brought forward as another witness for the prosecution and testified about the GPS pinpoints extracted from the Garmin device. Bell said the GPS showed the locations of Nachtman's car from August 19-21, 2015.
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Following a short break, Detective Messer was called to the witness stand as the lead detective and investigator of the case. He said he arrived at the scene of the shooting around 11 p.m. on Aug. 20, 2015.

The state moved to bring to evidence a recorded phone conversation between Nachtman and Messer. During the conversation, Nachtman is heard telling him "I've been in Tallahassee for the last day or two or so."
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The defense introduced DCF and court filings as evidence to be introduced to the jury Tuesday, as well as clips of video of Nachtman's interview.

The state is expected to bring Joseph Kerry, Nachtman's brother, forward to testify at 9 a.m. Tuesday.
 
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Ugh . . . computer problems. :(
You're welcome (re: updates) I know you like to have all of the trial witness names, so I try to find and include those in the media snips.
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Hey! Yes, computer problems, but I should be back up and running tomorrow afternoon (My afternoon) - so I shall get caught up tomorrow! FINALLY!! Withdrawls I do not like...

And a BIG thanks for putting in the trial witness names - It will help faster in catching up, so very much appreciated! :)
 
'I'm going to miss you, Joey': Nachtman's brother testifies she admitted to the shootings
Updated: 5:44 PM EDT July 30, 2019
TAMPA, Fla. — Court began Tuesday morning with some powerful testimony as Nicole Nachtman's brother, Joseph Carey, was called to the stand.
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Their childhood
Carey, now 36, outlined his and Nachtman's back story and childhoods, including the fact the two shared the same mom but had different fathers. He said his biological father died by suicide not long before his mother was killed. He added his full-blooded brother, Kevin Carey, died in a car crash in 2003.

Carey testified he felt the family had a "sturdy foundation" in Tampa and said he felt it was a bad idea for his mother to move to Virginia with Nachtman. Carey said he chose to live with his grandmother and stay in Tampa and Nachtman moved to Virginia with their mother. Myriam would later meet Robert and the two married in Virginia.

Carey said he stayed close with Nachtman over the years and said she would tell him about things going on in her life. He said Nachtman even stayed with him for three to four weeks during the summer of 2015 in Washington State where he lived with his wife and kids, not long before the shootings happened.

The murders
He said he first heard about the murders after he was getting off of a 12-hour shift from the Air Force. Carey said his first indication was Robert had killed Myriam before killing himself.

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Carey's cross-examination
Following a brief discussion outside of the jury and prosecution and defense, the defense began its cross-examination.

The defense went back and questioned both Nachtman's and Carey's past. Carey clarified Myriam had met Nachtman's father, Ronald Nachtman, while she was in the middle of a "bitter" divorce with Carey's biological father in Houston. He testified there was a lot of arguing and even pushing between Ronald and Myriam, and eventually, Ronald would move out before the couple was divorced and Myriam gained full custody of Nicole.

The defense asked Carey if Myriam would "belittle" her children and call them a "disgrace" at times and he testified she did. He went on to testify the defense was correct in saying Nachtman was a "happy" and "bubbly" child before she started becoming more introverted and seemed to lack self-confidence around the sixth grade.
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He also said while Nachtman seemed to be scared of her mom, he never saw Myriam physically harm Nachtman. He said Nachtman was afraid of not meeting the mom's expectations.

Carey said he was surprised by Nachtman at times since she was clearly intelligent enough to get into FSU and would sometimes drive for long distances on her own, maintaining she probably could care for herself.

After Carey and the jury were dismissed for lunch, the discussion over premeditation was questioned on the basis of prior case law. The motion to dismiss the claim of premeditation was denied by Judge Sabella.

The state officially rested its case and the trial continued after lunch around 1 p.m. Tuesday.

The defense's second witness
After a discussion of hearsay and what would be allowed as discussion in the trial, the defense called its second witness, Elana Roe.

Roe said she lived on the same road as the Dienes family and Nachtman. She said their families weren't close, but were neighborly and said she reminded inviting Nachtman over to go trick-or-treating with her daughter.

She also testified she thought it was strange Nachtman had asked for vegetables instead of candy while trick-or-treating.
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Nicole's biological father testifies
Ronald Nachtman, Nicole's biological father, was brought to testify in her defense. Ronald, who now works as a human anatomy college professor, testifies he met Myriam around January 1993 and that she became pregnant with Nicole around mid-April 1993.

He said he knew about her two other sons who lived in Florida with Myriam's mother, but said he had no idea until later Myriam had been married and was going through a divorce.

He said the relationship between he and Myriam "drastically changed" after Myriam started screaming, saying he was "abusive."

He said he moved out while Myriam was pregnant, but moved back in a few months later for the birth of Nicole in February of 1994. He claimed he slept in the same room as Nicole and he alone cared for her for several months.

Ronald testified he moved to a two-bedroom apartment so she could have a nursery but said after November of 1993, Myriam started trying to prevent him from seeing her.

He said at one point in 1995, he had joint custody with Myriam and said Myriam started filing "phony" police reports and would not return Nicole when she was "supposed to."

"I didn't know if her mother was taking care of her," Ronald said.

He testified Myriam continued to fight for full custody and said he and his family were blocked from having contact with Nicole from 1998 to 2015. He said he would not see her again until August of 2015 when he went to the jail.

When the defense asked if Ronald fought to see Nicole, he said, "I never gave up, not one day having a relationship with her." He said he has been mailing postcards and putting money into her account at jail.

The prosecution questioned the legitimacy of the relationship between the father and daughter, and questioned him about another custody issue he had with a different child. After a lengthy pause, he admitted to the issue with the other child he had lost custody of.

Nicole's friends testify
Laura Hessimer was called as the defense's next witness and said she was likely Nachtman's only friend at FSU. She said she first met Nachtman in history class and said she would always wear blue jeans with a T-shirt and an old, windbreaker jacket, year-round.

She said the jacket would become very "smelly" and she would wash it for her and tell Nachtman to take a bath since Nachtman did not wear deodorant. She also said Nachtman would wear weights on her wrists because her mom "wanted her to lose weight."

Hessimer also testified Nachtman was "fearful" of mom and didn't seem excited to go home during the breaks.

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After a short break, Hessimer's roommate, Angelica Henwood was called to testify. She said Nachtman was a "general" friend, but they weren't very close. She said she was very shy, wore a lot of sweaters even though it was hot out, she was a self-drawn person, and said she was very "average."

She testified she had an overall "sad demeanor" and said she didn't seem happy with her major. She said her mom wanted her to change it and she said she should try to be more independent and make decisions for herself. She said Nachtman told her she did what her mom wanted to do.
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Myriam's brothers and Nicole's uncles testify
George Lehr, Myriam's brother and Nachtman's uncle, was brought forward to testify. He testified Myriam was the only girl in a military family with five boys and always wanted to be like "one of the guys."

Lehr said Myriam was "tough" on Nachtman and said he didn't meet Nachtman until she was around six or seven-years-old.

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Another uncle, Eric Lehr, was called to the podium to testify. He said he never met Mr. Nachtman and testified he first met Nicole when she around two or three years old. He said Myriam made it "impossible" for Mr. Nachtman to have access to Nicole.
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Eric testified he brought Nicole to the mall and she suddenly disappeared. Concerned, he said he called the sister to see if she was with her, and she said no, but said she was on her way to pick her up. When he finally found her, he asked where she was and told her her mother was on the way.

He said she started bursting out crying and started saying, "don't let me go with her," adding he saw what he thought was fear in her eyes.
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The cross-examination from the prosecution is expected to resume at 9 a.m. Wednesday and the defense is expected to bring in experts to testify on Nachtman's mental state.
 
This is a fascinating trial. Hadn't heard of the case until just a couple of days ago.
 
'She thought God was protecting her': Mental health expert says Nachtman is 'delusional'
Updated: 5:37 PM EDT July 31, 2019
TAMPA, Fla. — The murder trial for Nicole Nachtman continued Wednesday morning with discussion over the defense's claims of insanity and self-defense.

This following discrepancies over what would be considered "insanity" and "self-defense" with the experts brought forward before the jury.
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Tabled conversations between the defense and prosecution were brought forward without the jury Wednesday morning. During the discussion, Eric Lehr was questioned again about Myriam's alleged abuse of Carey.

The defense claims Myriam and Carey's biological father were both abusive, but the prosecution claims it was only the father who was abusive.

Nachtman's uncle continues to testify
The jury was brought out at a little before 10 a.m. and Lehr was brought back out for cross-examination. The state asked about the apartment Nachtman lived at when she was 17 and still at Sickles High School and the relationship Lehr had with his sister, Myriam. Lehr said he did not agree with some of Myriam's parenting decisions, which caused the two to be estranged from time to time.

The prosecution asked about Nachtman's grades and Lehr testified she had been an honor student before she went to the air academy. He also testified he went to Nachtman's apartment in Tampa and saw only a mattress and no other furniture. He also said he expressed concerns about Nachtman but said Myriam did not listen or react to them.

Video of Nachtman's interview by detectives
The defense played a video clip of Nachtman being interviewed by a state doctor. Nachtman is heard mumbling and talking about a story she wrote about "Elsa the Snow Queen."

She's heard asking for an attorney after the doctor asks if he could record their conversation. She is heard going back to discussing her story soon after.

Mental health professional testifies
Dr. Kathleen Heide, a criminology professor at USF and mental health professional, testifies she evaluated Nachtman eight days after the shootings in 2015 and said she's seen her 13 times in total.

She said she also met with both Joseph Carey, Nachtman's brother, and Nachtman's father, Ronald, in September of 2015.

Heide testifies Nachtman was acting very "bizarre," saying she was going from being very somber to being very animated, telling jokes and acting childish when she was asked about the murders.

She said Nachtman was always "pleasant" and cooperative and would go into "excessive detail," ramblings at times when asked questions. She testified it appeared Nachtman's long-term memory was very poor and did not remember having another brother outside of Joseph. Kevin, her other brother, had died in a car accident in 2003.
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Nachtman told her the shooting of the stepfather was covered up by thunder, Heide said, which Nachtman thought "was a sign from God" and that "God was protecting her."

Heide said Nachtman talked about the rain which was there when her mother was present and the rain stopping when she wasn't around. She said Nachtmant told her the sky opened after she shot her mom.
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She also said Nachtman told her she thought God was protecting her when she was never stopped by police responding to her parent's home on the night of the murders.

Heide testified that while Nachtman's disordered thoughts have come and gone with medication, Nachtman has continued to hold to her delusion that what she did was right and that she was in "fear of her life."

She also said Nachtman was likely experiencing a psychotic break at the time she shot and killed them.
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Myriam was described as not being "warm" or receptive, which Heide testified may have caused further emotional neglect for Nachtman.

Heide testified that when Nachtman told previous doctors about Myriam's supposed abuse, Nachtman would start to cry and rock herself as if experiencing the trauma once again. Heide said the supposed abuse told to other doctors included Myriam pulling Nachtman's hair and slamming her head on the table.

Heide testified it appeared Nachtman was also psychologically abused by Myriam. She said Nachtman told her Myriam would say mean things to her, curse at her, and belittle her.

Heide specifically mentioned Nachtman talking about her graduation from high school when Myriam allegedly called her "an overweight s****."

Lunch break
Following lunch, the mental health expert took the stand once again to continue her testimony. Heide testifies Nachtman said she felt "forced" by her mom to get Lasik eye surgery on Aug. 17, 2015, just days before the shootings. She also said Nachtmant told her she felt "trapped" and "immobilized" at home and perceiving she's failure to her mother.

Heide said Nachtman told her she originally planned to kill herself, but after hearing a conversation, she panicked and killed her stepfather. She said she told her she was "in fear" of her mom, because she said Myriam made indications she would get Robert, so she felt she indeed did "have it in her to kill."

She added Nachtman experienced post-traumatic stress symptoms, high anxiety, and said it was her opinion Nachtman experienced "battered child syndrome."

"I would classify her as a battered child, because there was extreme psychological abuse," Heide said. "She was terrified of her mom - because of the stuff that was currently going on, she thought she was going to lash out at her in anger."

She said Nachtman perceived her mom was going to kill her if she found out about her late residency and everything else she was failing to do. Her clinical evaluation with the evidence presented was that Nachtman "fits schizophrenia."

Heide said the "signs from God" along with Nachtman's ongoing disorganized speech and possible genetic connections helped her make the diagnosis. While not formally diagnosed, Heide says Nachtman's father, Ronald, demonstrated signs of schizophrenia.

Cross-examination of the mental health expert
Following a brief break, the prosecution came forward to cross-examine Heide. She was questioned whether it appeared if Nachtman had rational lines of thought when she decided to kill her mother instead of herself, and she testified it did.

The state also questioned the level of physical abuse, which Heide testified may not have risen to the level of "battered children's syndrome." The state also asked her if all of the records of Nachtman's abuse was based on Nachtman's testimony and there were no hospital reports, police reports, or other witnesses of the abuse. Heide said that was correct.
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Forensic psychologist testifies
The defense called Dr. Charles Patrick Ewing forward to testify as a forensic psychologist. He said he was given Nachtman's jail and family records from the Department of Children and Families to review before his testimony.

He said he evaluated Nachtman in April and said he questioned her at length about what led to the homicides of Robert and Myriam.

"She was off to a rocky start," Ewing said, in reference to the custody battle between Nachtman's parents. He adds the custodial battle caused biological and social problems, which he says was compounded by a "lifetime of abuse." He said her abusive, dysfunctional family eventually caused her psychological breakdown.
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The defense will continue its case with further testimony with the forensic psychologist at 9 a.m. Thursday.
 
Expert: Mother physically, emotionally abused daughter before murder
July 31, 2019
TAMPA — When Nicole Nachtman was in 10th grade, her mother slammed her head against a table because her cursive handwriting wasn’t good enough. The next year, Myriam Dienes kicked her daughter because she “walked like a man.” The mother even called her daughter “an overweight 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬.”

That’s what the former Florida State student on trial for the 2015 murders of her mother and stepfather told psychotherapist Kathleen Heide. The expert witness was hired by Nachtman’s defense to assemble evidence that their client endured physical, verbal and psychological abuse from her mother throughout her life.
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The defense has also suggested that Nachtman suffers from schizophrenia, an assertion Heide said is supported by the daughter’s odd behavior in the years before the slayings; her reports of hearing “screaming voices” when the murders occurred; and her lack of understanding of the consequences of what she did.

In the weeks after Nachtman was arrested and jailed in 2015, she recounted those tales and numerous others for Heide, a University of South Florida criminology professor. Heide built a profile of Nachtman by interviewing her, family, acquaintances and going through school records.
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Heide said Nachtman showed 11 out of 12 common characteristics of severely abused children who kill their parents. They include a pattern of family violence, a failure by the child to escape, a feeling of being trapped and helpless, access to guns at home and a sense of relief after the parent’s death.

In Nachtman’s mind, she believed her life would end three ways: She would kill herself, she would be killed or she would kill her mother.

Heide noted other symptoms of mental illness. Nachtman’s speech was disorganized. She had poor hygiene. She isolated herself and withdrew from social relationships.

Nachtman also talked about what she believed would be appropriate punishment for what she did: having her earnings donated to a charity of the jury’s choice, hours of torture and banishment from Florida.
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Dr Emily Lazarou - Yikes! I was in court and observed her testimony (and demeanor - - including crying on the witness stand) in the John Jonchuck trial a few months ago.

Law & Crime Network‏Verified account @LawCrimeNetwork 1h1 hour ago
#NicoleNachtman - The state does have one more rebuttal witness. Forensic psychiatrist Dr. Emily Lazarou. Dr. Lazarou testified in the John Jonchuck trial. https://lawandcrime.com/live-trials/live-trials-current/nicole-nachtman/watch-live-florida-woman-on-trial-after-she-allegedly-killed-parents/ …


10News WTSP‏Verified account @10NewsWTSP 29m29 minutes ago
Lazarou testifies Nachtman was not insane at the time of the crime and there is no indication she was suffering from any "delusions" at the time of the murders.

10News WTSP‏Verified account @10NewsWTSP 35m35 minutes ago
"She does not fit the criteria of schizophrenia" | Lazarou said Nachtman does not fit the criteria of schizophrenia. She said Nachtman never reported psychotic symptoms to her, including auditory and visual hallucinations.

10News WTSP‏Verified account @10NewsWTSP 1h1 hour ago
Dr. Emily Lazarou, a state psychologist, has come forward as a rebuttal witness for the prosecution. She testifies Nachtman was not formally diagnosed with a mental illness during her time in jail. She also says Nachtman does not fit the diagnosis of battered child syndrome.

  1. Dan Sullivan‏Verified account @TimesDan 14m14 minutes ago
    "All those things told me she knew the murders were wrong," Lazarous says.
  2. Dan Sullivan‏Verified account @TimesDan 14m14 minutes ago
    The doctor also mentioned that Nachtman did internet searches after shooting stepdad for bad areas in Tampa and "people in low places." Says she was trying to find someone who might help her cover up the crime. @TB_Times
  3. Dan Sullivan‏Verified account @TimesDan 14m14 minutes ago
    Lazarou also points out that Nachtman paid talked with her cousin about money, paid for her dorm room, moved her car so her mother wouldn't see it. All are things that require executive functioning. "People with schizophrenia do not have that."
  4. Dan Sullivan‏Verified account @TimesDan 14m14 minutes ago
    She says Nachtman talked about how she cleaned up after the first shooting, thought she would have to get a passport and go on the run, listened to the news on the way up to Tallahassee because she knew she'd committed a serious crime, told her brother she was going to miss him.
  5. Dan Sullivan‏Verified account @TimesDan 14m14 minutes ago
    Lazarou points to a number of things that she says show Nachtman knew the murders were wrong and that there would be severe consequences ...
  6. Dan Sullivan‏Verified account @TimesDan 14m14 minutes ago
    Lazarou says that Nachtman reported that after she killed her stepdad, she actually talked to her mother via phone. Told her she was at FSU. Told her about her roommates, whom she had yet to meet. @TB_Times
  7. Dan Sullivan‏Verified account @TimesDan 30m30 minutes ago
    "She was not insane at the time of the crimes," Lazarou says. @TB_Times
  8. Dan Sullivan‏Verified account @TimesDan 30m30 minutes ago
    Lazarou says that Nachtman was malingering, or exaggerating symptoms of mental illness. @TB_Times
  9. Dan Sullivan‏Verified account @TimesDan 30m30 minutes ago
    Asked about the notion that Nachtman believed her mom was going to kill her, Lazarou says "I felt it was her rationale to get out of the consequences of her actions." @TB_Times
  10. Dan Sullivan‏Verified account @TimesDan 43m43 minutes ago
    State's witness Dr. Emily Lazarou, says Nicole Nachtman does't meet criteria for battered child syndrome. She instead made four other diagnoses: adjustment disorder with depressed mood, avoidant personality disorder, schizotypal personality disorder, and borderline PD. @TB_Times
  1. DaveJordanBN9‏ @DaveJordanBN9 25m25 minutes ago
    Dr. Lazarou testified that #NicoleNachtman told her that she cleaned up the murder scene with bleach after she shot Robert. @BN9 #bn9Hillsborough
  2. DaveJordanBN9‏ @DaveJordanBN9 28m28 minutes ago
    Dr. Lazarou said #NicoleNachtman told her that she killed her stepfather Robert Dienes instead of her killing herself because she knew this was wrong. @BN9 #bn9Hillsborough
  3. DaveJordanBN9‏ @DaveJordanBN9 30m30 minutes ago
    Dr. Lazarou testifies that #NicoleNachtman did not have psychosis at the time of the crime. @BN9 #bn9Hillsborough
  4. DaveJordanBN9‏ @DaveJordanBN9 47m47 minutes ago
    Dr. Lazarou said #NicoleNachtman had “borderline personality disorder.” @BN9 #bn9Hillsborough
  5. DaveJordanBN9‏ @DaveJordanBN9 59m59 minutes ago
    Dr. Lazarou said there was nothing wrong or unusual about #NicoleNachtman huge interest in anime, or the character Elsa from the film “Frozen.” @BN9 #bn9Hillsborough
  6. DaveJordanBN9‏ @DaveJordanBN9 1h1 hour ago
    Dr. Lazarou said the amount of abuse #NicoleNachtman “doesn’t rise to the level of battered child syndrome.” Said her parenting style was “done as a means of motivating her children to do better.” @bn9 #bn9Hillsborough
  7. DaveJordanBN9‏ @DaveJordanBN9 1h1 hour ago
    Dr. Lazarou says Myriam was raised in a house with all boys, had a military background and her strict nature was “her style” of parenting. Said she used bad language and “I don’t agree with that.” @BN9 #bn9Hillsborough
  8. DaveJordanBN9‏ @DaveJordanBN9 1h1 hour ago
    Dr. Lazarou said she believed Myriam Dienes was a strict parent who wanted the best for her children. @bn9 #bn9Hillsborough
  9. DaveJordanBN9‏ @DaveJordanBN9 1h1 hour ago
    Dr. Lazarou said #NicoleNachtman doesn’t meet the standard for child battered syndrome. This differs from Dr. Kathleen Heide’s earlier testimony she does. @BN9 #bn9Hillsborough
  10. DaveJordanBN9‏ @DaveJordanBN9 2h2 hours ago
    Court is back in session. The state has called Dr. Emily Lazarou, a psychiatrist to the stand. @BN9 #bn9Hillsborough
 
Several months ago, I reviewed the Facebook posts of Dr Lazarou. Good to know the defense is looking, too!
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#NicoleNachtman - Under cross-examination the defense is questioning Dr. Lazarou about her Facebook posts. The night before jury selection she posted this on her business fb page. "Lets do this..."

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#NicoleNachtman - Sidebar ends. Dr. Lazarou says she was a victim of abuse by her parents. This line of questioning started after the defense asked her about injecting her own personal experiences into interviewing defendants.

Dan Sullivan‏Verified account @TimesDan 32m32 minutes ago
On cross examination, PD Julianne Holt asks Lazarou numerous questions about her work history, jobs she's held, her professional practices, apparently trying to discredit her testimony.
 
'The trauma is severe': Psychologist says abuse may have led Nachtman to kill parents
Updated: 5:52 PM EDT August 1, 2019
TAMPA, Fla. — The jury was brought forward Thursday morning following arguments over case law and legal concerns of evidence which may have been taken unconstitutionally.
[...]
The jury viewed a video of Nicole Nachtman being interviewed by a state doctor which showed her requesting an attorney before being recorded. While Judge Sabella said he did not agree with it, he decided not to suppress the evidence.

Forensic psychologist continues to testify
After the jury was brought out, Dr. Charles Patrick Ewing was brought forward to finish his testimony.

"The trauma was great, the trauma was severe," Ewing said in reference to Nachtman's childhood and background.

He testified Nachtman remains mentally ill and her mental illness has deteriorated over the years as a result of her stunted personality and the abuse he claims she suffered at the hands of her mother, Myriam.

He testified he agreed with Dr. Kathleen Hiede's testimony that Nachtman suffers from battered child syndrome.
[...]
Ewing said she was heard saying, "I don't think I really live on the outside - It's like being buried alive, but I'm already dead."

He also agreed with Heide's testimony that Nachtman suffered from severe schizophrenia, saying she would go on tangents, start rambling and was thinking disorderly.
[...]
Ewing testified Nachtman knew killing her parents was legally wrong but did not know what she was doing and didn't know the consequences.

He added Nachtman was suicidal but wasn't able to do it. He said during her interview Nachtman said she was afraid her parents would kill her because of the financial problems they were discussing over the phone, so she panicked and killed Robert.
[...]

The state cross-examines the forensic psychologist
After a short break, Ewing was cross-examined by the prosecution. The state questioned Ewing's diagnosis of schizophrenia and the defense's claim of insanity.

Ewing continued to testify Nachtman was in a "psychotic state" when she killed both Robert and Myriam. He added she was "suicidal" and "didn't know what she was doing."
[...]
The jury was allowed a break and Judge Sabella asked Nachtman if she wished to testify in her own trial. After a few questions, she declined and the defense rested its case.

The prosecution brought forward David Lehr, Nachtman's cousin, once again in its rebuttal case against the defense.

Lehr testified to some of the family photos, including photos of the family going to a horror convention together at the age of 18.

The jurors were dismissed and Ronald Nachtman, Nachtman's biological father, was brought forward for questioning about abuse of Myriam.

He said Myriam choked him while she was pregnant and punched and shoved him while he was holding Nicole "several times." He even claimed she fractured his skull at one point because he said she hit him so hard.

Ronald was dismissed as a witness and the trial was paused for lunch.

The state psychologist and psychiatrist testifies
The trial resumed around 1 p.m. as the prosecution brought Dr. Emily Lazarou forward as a rebuttal witness. Lazarou is a state psychologist, psychiatrist, and forensic psychologist and was the first doctor to evaluate Nachtman.

In the jail records, Nachtman was not diagnosed with a mental illness and is not taking medications for a mental illness, Lazarou testified. She said she believes she spent around 14 hours with Nachtman.

She testified she does not believe Nachtman fits the diagnosis of 'battered child syndrome' she said due to the "limited scope" of the reported physical abuse. She also said she is not aware of the personality scales used by Dr. Heide to diagnose Nachtman.

Lazarou testified Myriam was a "strict" parent who "wanted the best" for Nachtman. She said after speaking to Joseph, Nachtman's brother, she said she gathered Nachtman had a "crude" style of speaking with her cursing, but said that was due to her being raised in a household with all boys and being in the military.
[...]
Lazarou diagnosed Nachtman with 'adjustment disorder with depressed mood,' meaning Nachtman has a hard time adjusting to change in her life. One of the depressive issues she had was Nachtman not succeeding in college and college not being "what she expected" since she had a 3.8 GPA in high school.

She also testified she has diagnosed Nachtman with 'borderline personality disorder' and says she fits six of the criteria for the disorder. She said Nachtman has an unstable personality with limited interpersonal relationships, has no sense of "self," a chronic feeling of emptiness due to the lack of sense of self, and was overly paranoid about her mom finding out about things, causing severe dissociative symptoms.

Lazarou said Nachtman does not fit the criteria of schizophrenia. She said Nachtman never reported psychotic symptoms to her, including auditory and visual hallucinations. She adds Nachtman was not insane at the time of the crime.

She said it was strange that someone who could not clean themselves could clean an entire murder scene. She also testified it was strange it was reported Nachtman could not do her laundry, but that she could wash the clothes at the murder scene.
[...]

The defense cross-examines the state psychologist
Following a short break, the defense tried to discredit Lazarou and her testimony and analyses of Nachtman during cross-examination.

During the cross-examination, Lazarou testified she asked Nachtman if she had been hearing voices or seeing things others could not see, and she said Nachtman had said no, she hadn't. She also testified she disagreed with the definition of insanity that Ewing had presented in terms of experiencing hallucinations.

After another quick break, the defense questioned Lazarou's testimony of Myriam's parenting styles and the alleged abuse. Lazarou said she would have provided counseling to the parents if she had heard about the reported head slamming and kicking Myriam was accused of against Nachtman.

She again testified there was no documentation of physical abuse outside of Nachtman's reporting of the abuse.

Video interview between Nachtman and Lazarou
The defense showed part of a 22-minute-long video of the interview between Lazarou and Nachtman.
[...]
She admitted Nachtman did tell her she was feeling suicidal. Lazarou testified, however, it was due to Nachtman's borderline personality disorder, not her having schizophrenia.

Lazarou admitted Joseph had told police that Nachtman was "terribly afraid" of her mother, Myriam.
[...]
During a redirect, the prosecution asked if Nachtman was "forced" to get liposuction and Lazarou said there was no indication she was based off the depositions she read. She said, instead, one of the friends had testified she "felt lighter" and "could actually eat." She was also questioned about the Lasik eye surgery, which she testified Nachtman said she preferred so she could "exercise more freely."

Lazarou was excused and the judge asked one juror to stay behind due to a time commitment on Friday. The judge decided an alternate juror will be put in the juror's place.

The defense and prosecution went over further case law over what would be allowed in closing statements.

The trial is expected to resume at 9 a.m. Friday with closing statements on both sides.
 
Jury weighs if Nicole Nachtman is guilty of killing mother, stepfather
August 2, 2019
TAMPA — Nicole Nachtman’s fate is in a jury’s hands.

Attorneys made closing arguments Friday morning in the case of the former college student accused of murdering her mother and stepfather in 2015 at their Carrollwood home.

The jury began deliberating just before 1 p.m., capping a two-week trial which at times felt less like a murder case than an examination of the parenting style of Nachtman’s mother and the way she molded her daughter’s psyche. Her defense argued that Nachtman endured years of psychological, verbal and physical abuse from her mother and suffered from battered child syndrome.

“She wasn’t a perfect parent,” Assistant State Attorney John Terry told the jury. “She made mistakes. But those mistakes do not give Nicole Nachtman the right to kill her.”
[...]
If the jury convicted her as charged, she faces a mandatory sentence of life in prison.
 
  1. Dan Sullivan‏Verified account @TimesDan 52m52 minutes ago
    After consulting with the attorneys, the judge is sending the jury a written response. It says "“The DSM-5 was not introduced into evidence. You should rely on your memory of the testimony regarding mental health diagnoses.” @TB_Times
  2. Dan Sullivan‏Verified account @TimesDan 57m57 minutes ago
    Judge Sabella says they can't give the jury anything that wasn't entered into evidence.
  3. Dan Sullivan‏Verified account @TimesDan 58m58 minutes ago
    The jury's written request says "1.Request – DSM-5 or full definitions of mental health diagnoses." @TB_Times
  4. Dan Sullivan‏Verified account @TimesDan 1h1 hour ago
    The Nicole Nachtman jury has a question. @TB_Times
 
computer fixed - sorry this is kind of late....

Friday, August 2nd:
*Trial continues (Day 8)-Verdict Watch! (@ 9am ET) – FL – Robert (67) step father & Myriam Carey Dienes (56) mother (Aug. 20, 2015, Tampa) - *Nicole Gene Nachtman (21/now 25) arrested (8/21/15) with 2 counts of 1st degree murder with a firearm. Plead not guilty reason of insanity. Held without bond.
Defense says Nachtman suffers from “Battered Child Syndrome”, which drove her to kill.
Trial began 7/22 with jury selection which ended 7/23/19. Trial began 7/24 and is scheduled for 2 weeks.
7/22/19 Day 1: Jury selection begins. The initial pool of 100 was whittled down to approx. 50-60 jurors. Could have opening statements by afternoon on Tuesday. Back at 9am 7/23 as Jury selection continues.
7/23/19 Day 2: Jury selection will hopefully be done by mid-afternoon when opening statements “might” start. If Nicole Nachtman’s defense wants to tell a jury that battered child syndrome led her to kill her mother, they can only do so if it’s tied to a claim of self-defense. That’s what a judge decided six months ago. That could mean that Nachtman will have to testify about how she shot & killed the couple in August 2015. Jury selection continues to Wednesday, 7/24.
7/24/19 Trial Day 1: Opening statements. State witness: Emma Rowe (neighbor, who was 14 at the time of the killings). Trial continues on 7/25. Jury was seated in morning & opening statements started in afternoon.
7/25/19 Trial Day 2: State witnesses: Wesley Rowe (lives next door to the Dienes & step father of Emma). Sheriff HCSO Detective Michael Pecylak (was the first officer to arrive on scene). Sheriff HCSO Lt. Robert Carr. Shelby Garman (crime scene investigator). Brandon Douglas (forensic investigator with the Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office). Jennifer Normana (crime scene investigator). Robert Der III (another Hillsborough County forensic investigator). Jacob Becker (crime scene investigator). Homicide detective Greg Thomas. Trial continues on 7/26.

7/26/19 Trial Day 3: The judge says there could be a violation of sequestration after witnesses were allegedly heard discussing the trial and watching the livestream of the trial outside of the courtroom. Judge Sabella has said he's going to exclude one of the witnesses in Nachtman's trial because of word that some witnesses have discussed their testimony outside the courtroom. Witness is one of Nachtman's roommates at FSU. All three witnesses in question have been cleared by the judge and the defense.
State Witnesses: A Publix supervisor. Sergeant Carla Perez with the Hillsborough County Sheriff's office. Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office forensic print analyst Wesley Zackery, Jr. Nachtman's cousin, David Lehr. Marial Battle, one of Nachtman's prior roommates. Petra Henry (roommate). Jessica Gilbert (residential worker at FSU). Christina Chiodi (worker at FSU). Gale Berghorn, who was a digital forensics criminal lab analyst. Lacey Zacher, a criminal intelligence analyst with the Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office. Detective Samuel Portalatin. The state expects to rest its case Monday. The trial will resume at 9 a.m. on Monday, 7/29.

7/29/19 Trial Day 4: State witnesses: Detective Samuel Portalatin. Leszek Chrostowski (forensic and associated medical examiner with Hillsborough County). Yolanda Soto (with the Florida Department of Law Enforcement in Tampa). Kimberly Sutton (DNA analyst with FDLE).
Defense witness: Jacquelyn Roman-Eismann (former roommate) via Skype.
State witnesses: Connie Bell with the FDLE in Tampa. Detective Messer (lead detective). Trial continues on 7/30.

7/30/19 Trial Day 5: State witness: Joseph Carey (Nachtman's bro). State rests their case. The defense motion to dismiss the claim of premeditation was denied by Judge Sabella. Defense witnesses: Joseph Carey. Elana Roe (neighbor). Ronald Nachtman (Nicole's biological father). Laura Hessimer (Nachtman's friend at FSU). Angelica Henwood (roommate at FSU). George Lehr (Myriam's brother & Nachtman's uncle). Eric Lehr (Nachtman's uncle). Trial continues on 7/31.
7/31/19 Trial Day 6: Defense witnesses: Eric Lehr (uncle). Dr. Kathleen Heide (criminology professor at USF and mental health professional). Dr. Charles Patrick Ewing (forensic psychologist). Trial continues on 8/1.
8/1/19 Trial Day 7: Defense witnesses: Dr. Charles Patrick Ewing (continues). Defense witness: Dr. Charles Patrick Ewing. Nachtman will not testify. Defense rests.
State rebuttal witnesses: David Lehr (Nachtman's cousin). The jurors were dismissed and Ronald Nachtman, Nachtman's biological father, was brought forward for questioning about abuse of Myriam. Dr. Emily Lazarou, a state psychologist. The defense showed part of a 22-minute-long video of the interview between Lazarou and Nachtman. Judge asked one juror to stay behind due to a time commitment on Friday. The judge decided an alternate juror will be put in the juror's place. Closing arguments set for tomorrow morning 8/2.

8/2/19 Trail Day 8: State & defense closing arguments done. Judge reads jury instructions. Jury started deliberations about 1pm.
 

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