FL - Sarah Boone, 42, charged with murdering boyfriend Jorge Torres, 42, by leaving him locked in suitcase, Winter Park, Feb 2020 #2

[aafromaa]

Snipped by me... From the perspective of the battered woman, danger is perpetually imminent. In her view, in her constant state of fear, the battered woman is faced with a dilemma of waiting for her abuser to kill her or striking out first.

Thank you for the info Seattle1.

If I’m following correctly, FL law does not have a battered spouse defense but battered spouse syndrome is brought in to a claim of self defense to show why the defendant’s view of a proportional response and imminent danger maybe different than what is typically accepted as reasonable.

The sentence you highlighted in blue (quoted above) says from the battered woman’s perspective, the danger is perpetually imminent.

If it is perpetually imminent, wouldn’t that mean a battered woman would not need to show immediate danger? Yet, in every FL case I’ve found so far where BSS was successfully used in a self-defense case, it seems that the abuser was killed during or right after an attack. So am I misunderstanding perpetually imminent?

 

[Izzylizzy]

Unfortunately I can see SB thinking this is her time to shine. I've seen how much she likes to talk and don't see her foregoing the opportunity to fill the jury's head with her lies. Reminds me of the recent trial of a ballerina in which she was able to disparage and lie about the deceased victim to no end. Of course the victim couldn't refute or defend himself because she had murdered him. The jury didn't fall for it and found her guilty anyway but the charges weren't stiff enough in my opinion and she is still waiting to be sentenced. JMO

I had also thought of AB.
If SB was in imminent fear of her life she could have partially unzipped the suitcase and ran out of the house and AB certainly didn't fear for her life as she was moving with DB to another state and let him in her house to help her pack and had no problem being alone with him.
I haven't seen any updates on AB's judge speaking with all of her jurors about possible juror misconduct.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Uh Timewaster Owens is wasting time as per usual...

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Ms Boone is still 'absolutely' satisfied with her representation and the defence to be deployed.

Jury are incoming after some busywork time wasting motions disputes and sidebar discussion.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Ms Boone appears to look at jury members in the face and smile at them IMO.

 

[Megnut]

Ms Boone appears to look at jury members in the face and smile at them IMO.

She thinks they're her friends.

They're not.

JMO

 

[Izzylizzy]

This article from a law firm states that SB's attorney said they'll be using the "Battered Woman's Syndrome" defense.
This was in January 2023.

Defendant Relies on Battered Spouse Defense in Upcoming Murder Trial - Pumphrey Law

As the murder trial approaches for defendant Sarah Boone, her defense attorneys have stated that their client will be using the Battered Spouse Syndrome

www.pumphreylawfirm.com

 

[Izzylizzy]

The female detective just said that the baseball bat was collected.
I thought I heard that the bat wasn't analyzed and assumed it wasn't removed from SB's residence?

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Loose items in the suitcase were collected. However, SB's defence who have CK on cross can't find the list of items. Lame.

Off the top of her head CK states they collected things with blood on them, some items of clothing - a necktie, also there was some paperwork (not collected) and a dead cellphone (collected).

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

The female detective just said that the baseball bat was collected.
I thought I heard that the bat wasn't analyzed and assumed it wasn't removed from SB's residence?

It was collected - it was in possession of LE and is present in the courtroom

 

[Izzylizzy]

It was collected - it was in possession of LE and is present in the courtroom

Thanks.
Was it analyzed for blood etc?

 

[Megnut]

What is the Defense doing? Reviewing what the State already elicited from this witness?

It has the feel of stretching time. Are their witnesses running late and he was asked to fill time?

MOO I'm waiting on the State to stand up wearily and object on the grounds of asked&answered, followed by the judge asking, "is there a question/point in our future, Counselor?" MOO

Tiresome. Pointless.

JMO

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Thanks.
Was it analyzed for blood etc?

No it wasn't I don't think, maybe because there's no dispute that the blood is JT's, ditto the blood inside the lining of the case.

I think it was analysed for the shape and size as it seems to be reported that some of JT's injuries were consistent with the shape and size of the baseball bat. Also SB has now stated she hit JT with the bat so somewhat that isn't in dispute.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

What is the Defense doing? Reviewing what the State already elicited from this witness?

It has the feel of stretching time. Are their witnesses running late and he was asked to fill time?

MOO I'm waiting on the State to stand up wearily and object on the grounds of asked&answered, followed by the judge asking, "is there a question/point in our future, Counselor?" MOO

Tiresome. Pointless.

JMO

Busywork Boone and her time wasting time stretcher defence team... trying to bore the court to death and create arguments in empty rooms. This lawyer should be challenged for re-stating already known and agreed facts to no good end.

 

[Seattle1]

Thank you for the info Seattle1.

If I’m following correctly, FL law does not have a battered spouse defense but battered spouse syndrome is brought in to a claim of self defense to show why the defendant’s view of a proportional response and imminent danger maybe different than what is typically accepted as reasonable.

The sentence you highlighted in blue (quoted above) says from the battered woman’s perspective, the danger is perpetually imminent.

If it is perpetually imminent, wouldn’t that mean a battered woman would not need to show immediate danger? Yet, in every FL case I’ve found so far where BSS was successfully used in a self-defense case, it seems that the abuser was killed during or right after an attack. So am I misunderstanding perpetually imminent?

Under the imminent danger rule, a person must believe she is in immediate danger when using force. In my post, I was addressing the expert witness who needs to demonstrate under true BSS, the victim feels danger is perpetually imminent. (SB wasn't being attacked and hadn't been attacked recently by JT). SB in her own interviews negates she was a victim who constantly felt she was in danger.

ETA: See pg 10 for the two rules for self defense.

https://ir.law.fsu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=1574&context=lr

 

[Izzylizzy]

No it wasn't I don't think, maybe because there's no dispute that the blood is JT's, ditto the blood inside the lining of the case.

I think it was analysed for the shape and size as it seems to be reported that some of JT's injuries were consistent with the shape and size of the baseball bat. Also SB has now stated she hit JT with the bat so somewhat that isn't in dispute.

Thanks for clearing that up for me.

 

[Izzylizzy]

What is the Defense doing? Reviewing what the State already elicited from this witness?

It has the feel of stretching time. Are their witnesses running late and he was asked to fill time?

MOO I'm waiting on the State to stand up wearily and object on the grounds of asked&answered, followed by the judge asking, "is there a question/point in our future, Counselor?" MOO

Tiresome. Pointless.

JMO

Owens is trying to show that SB was a wonderful cooperating witness and had zilch to hide? lol

 

[Wishbone]

Why did the atty ask if the detective was pregnant when investigating this murder? His questions are waste of time and I'm bored with him.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Why would Anderson ask the female detective on the stand "were you pregnant at the time"?

She answered that she was.

 

[Megnut]

Defense trying to pin the witness on a conversation about setting up a time to meet with Sarah. Long train to nowhere.

"Did you tell SB you were too tired.... (to bring her phone to her, she's have to come get it) (because you were pregnant)?

Witness: That. Never. Happened.

Far as I can tell, SB lives in her head, making up storylines as she goes.

JMO