FL - Sarah Boone, 42, charged with murdering boyfriend Jorge Torres, 42, by leaving him locked in suitcase, Winter Park, Feb 2020 #2

[stripehaven2]

She's no suck up she's a manipulative control freak, however, she might have been forced to do others laundry by intimidation I guess. Bullies often succumb to being bullied because it's a hierarchy they understand and respect.

I don’t think she’s a sick-up in general but in a prison setting she might become one to be perceived as useful and not some kind of target.

 

[Izzylizzy]

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[nodamselindistress]

I have been so curious about their jobs/joblessness and today I finally heard that SB had numerous jobs but nothing specific and seemed to me she indicated they were in the past. SB had not been employed since her divorce/split from BB. It was also mentioned JT worked at a hardware store "when he showed up".

Seems like SB thought she was so special she did not need to work!

 

[arielilane]

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[Izzylizzy]

I have been so curious about their jobs/joblessness and today I finally heard that SB had numerous jobs but nothing specific and seemed to me she indicated they were in the past. SB had not been employed since her divorce/split from BB. It was also mentioned JT worked at a hardware store "when he showed up".

Seems like SB thought she was so special she did not need to work!

I never heard the forensic woman's name so...it's "she".

She didn't want to divulge any info if possible about SB's work history or lack thereof.

The prosecutor should have at the very least asked her what SB's last job was and when.

He also should have asked her why she didn't meet with Brian and their son and anyone else he thought would be relevant.

She only reviewed a "Melissa".

She was more than obvious that this wasn't an unbiased report after meeting 9x with SB.
Then again she was hired by the defense so I guess that's how these people roll.

 

[jepop]

I suppose they need to bring in the mental health testimony to get to the BSS but that’s not even the question for me. I think she has PTSD and I believe she has BSS. I suspect the jury does too. None of that is an issue for me. The issue for me is does any of that mean she was acting in self-defense that night when she zipped him in the suitcase and taunted him when he begged her to help when he was struggling to breathe and then hit his hand with a bat and poked his hand back in with the bat to the point that she was comfortable he could not get out and then just left him there to die? I don’t think it does. I’m not sure whether this should be murder or manslaughter but if she hadn’t tried to get away with this by claiming self-defense I really think she would have gotten a manslaughter conviction - perhaps even involuntary manslaughter. Her narcissistic traits have caused her to make poor decisions about her defense and made this even worse for her.

I guess I’ll have to wait for closing arguments for them to get to the issues that I think are key - which is not her psychological issues but whether or not self defense applies when you start the fight or whether leaving someone to suffocate in a suitcase after at least poking them with a bat if not pummeling the with it.

Agree with all this. Her behaviour, self admitted actions, and indisputable inaction simply does not amount to self defence imo; nor can what she did be justified by BSS, PTSD or anything else imo.

I still haven't got around to watching State's cross examinations properly yet but if I'm understanding correctly, the particulars around structure of this trial, because BSS was ruled in mid trial, mean the state are entitled to present an entire rebuttal after the defense rests?

So imo the state won't wait until closing arguments to get to the crux of the issue; think prosecutors will shortly present a rebuttal case and provide additional evidence to help jury more fully understand how SB's actions and her testimony demonstrate second degree murder and not self defence (immediate threat to life by violent partner).

I think state should call counter experts to debunk defense contention SB actions that night were a direct result of BSS; then reiterate, via the videos, interviews with LE and, if admissible, testimony demonstrating previous violence by SB inflicted on JT, SB's callous indifference to human ( JT's) life. She killed him with a combo of violence on his person once he was vulnerable inside the suitcase which weakened him physically imo (she used the bat on him literally while he was down and impaired by alcohol to hinder his escape), and callous inaction (not releasing a vulnerable, asphyxiating and abused man calling weakly for help cos he could not breathe). Jmo

I'm trusting the state was pre-prepared for BSS getting a foothold because SB is a killer imo and she needs to be held accountable. JT has been dragged through the mud and his voice from the suitcase currently appears to me to be drowned out by SB's fabrications about what happened that night. What happened was that she killed him. The state need to up the ante now and give him more of a voice. I also hope they elicit more testimony from ME and lay out clearly exactly what his injuries were that night and seek additional expert opinion on what may have caused them ( or has this been done satisfactorily already? (Need to watch more trial!). All is moo.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Yep and BSS that doesn't even exist formally in any of its names (Battered Woman / Spouse / Person).

It's just a working theory, a hypothesis, by some random people who are not Psychiatrists and they propose that it should sit under the category of PTSD in the DSM.

However, it is not in the DSM-V TR which is the holy grail of legal standard diagnosable mental health problems in a court of law.

If, god forbid, SB gets off on this defence which would be an outrage IMO because there is no proof of her trauma from JT and there is plenty of evidence she's a liar, it would set a precedent for people all over the USA to claim they had some form of prior trauma and then set about murdering the people who irritate / trigger them. Which people do already do but we don't condone it!

IMO:
Yep right up there with the worst of the worst laws.
'Stand Your Ground.'

 

[acehard]

I never heard the forensic woman's name so...it's "she".

She didn't want to divulge any info if possible about SB's work history or lack thereof.

The prosecutor should have at the very least asked her what SB's last job was and when.

He also should have asked her why she didn't meet with Brian and their son and anyone else he thought would be relevant.

She only reviewed a "Melissa".

She was more than obvious that this wasn't an unbiased report after meeting 9x with SB.
Then again she was hired by the defense so I guess that's how these people roll.

IMO The prosecutor was not asking the right questions. Feels unprepared or something. I hope they have a good rebuttal. For those who never heard of this case, the trial can be a bit confusing. MOO

 

[Izzylizzy]

IMO The prosecutor was not asking the right questions. Feels unprepared or something. I hope they have a good rebuttal. For those who never heard of this case, the trial can be a bit confusing. MOO

He lacks total follow through when he's on to something.
I don't know if the state is navigating very lightly through Sarah's BSS - in fear of alienating any jurors, especially female ones?

Does anyone know if the jury selection/vior dire would have been different by the prosecutors if they knew then it was a BSS case?

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I don’t think she’s a sick-up in general but in a prison setting she might become one to be perceived as useful and not some kind of target.

See how fast she'll be doing laundry for the yard bosses when she hits big girl prison!

 

[Luna20]

BBM
They could be of LE speaking with JT when they arrived wherever it was that the calls were made from, including the 911 calls whoever made them
That's great news because hopefully it changes the dynamics in the court of AB being the poor, abused victim and not as I believe a willing co-partner in all the violence.

Who is AB?

IMO:
She most likely went through the settlement money and I don't get why the alimony ,it;s not like she gave up a career(lol) when she married BB or the child maintenance when their son was half a week with each parent, but that's me.

She was a lazy entitled abusive drunk who used and abused both men.
She was one lucky gal with a wimp for an ex husband.

What was the last job that she had?

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Seems to me that both the psychologists who were called by the defence were showboating and trying to promote a whole new theory of 'BSS' in quite the narcissistic grandiose way themselves. They probably want to go down in the history books as being on the cutting edge of a whole new approach of managing murder cases and named in this case (as a test case) which will be eternally referred to by the legal profession. I hope that cannot happen.

They aren't psychiatrists, they have no right to make psychiatric diagnosis of SB or anyone, they aren't qualified to. They can't be held accountable for their theories or poor research or failing to be scientific or skipping evidence because they're not the correct people for the job in the first place. It's a circular and empty argument, just like the ones SB makes.

Also seems that Owens and his team may not be acting ethically if they've come to some shady agreement with SB to all make a lot of money off her story or promotion of this BS theory. Owens cannot explain what sort of financial agreement he has with SB or how he's being paid. I think maybe this whole dynamic is going to be put out to the Judge for consideration. JMO MOO

 

[Luna20]

He lacks total follow through when he's on to something.
I don't know if the state is navigating very lightly through Sarah's BSS - in fear of alienating any jurors, especially female ones?

Does anyone know if the jury selection/vior dire would have been different by the prosecutors if they knew then it was a BSS case?

They are dropping the ball in my opinion. I don’t understand why and I don’t understand how they can be so unaware.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Who is AB?



What was the last job that she had?

Izzy keeps calling SB AB by mistake.

Re SB working... there's been no mention of her having had any job(s) in any context which is very strange IMO. You'd have thought it'd come up one way or another, say for example when her ex was being asked how he knew her or such.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

They are dropping the ball in my opinion. I don’t understand why and I don’t understand how they can be so unaware.

I think they're going easy so they don't alienate the jury.

 

[sasha17]

Also seems that Owens and his team may not be acting ethically if they've come to some shady agreement with SB to all make a lot of money off her story or promotion of this BS theory. Owens cannot explain what sort of financial agreement he has with SB or how he's being paid. I think maybe this whole dynamic is going to be put out to the Judge for consideration. JMO MOO

SBM. Did you see the motion the state filed on Monday on this exact topic? Basically, Sarah Boone is indigent, having costs (actually only investigator Billy Lane) being paid by the court. "The Defendant has secured the services of four attorneys and a jury/trial consultant — and perhaps more people that the State is unaware of at this time."

It goes on: "The defense team is expending a tremendous amount of costs having traveled from Milton, Florida to Orlando, Florida for a several week trial. The team returned to Milton, Florida prior to the arrival of Hurricane Milton in central Florida and then travelled back after it had passed — incurring additional costs."

And their point is: "The State is concerned about a potential conflict of interest between the Defendant and her team... The only way for the Court to know if there is an actual conflict of interest, rather than a potential conflict of interest, is to review the financial arrangements between the Defendant and her team."

The state's request is for the court to look into this and figure out what's going on. No filed response from the defense or the court yet, and I haven't heard this brought up at all during the trial.

Orange County Clerk of Courts Records Search

 

[CrimeStoppers]

Who is AB?



What was the last job that she had?

For newer people to this website, it can be difficult to navigate and keep up with the comments. However, the person who keeps using the initials ‘AB’ instead of SB despite numerous asking and the poster continuing to do so is ..it is really not cute or humorous. Can we please be professional and not conflate ‘Ab’ (Ashley Benefield) with Sarah Boone? Totally different defendants and really should not be used interchangeably. Just poor taste IMO although we probably agree both defendants have / had major issues with truth.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

SBM. Did you see the motion the state filed on Monday on this exact topic? Basically, Sarah Boone is indigent, having costs (actually only investigator Billy Lane) being paid by the court. "The Defendant has secured the services of four attorneys and a jury/trial consultant — and perhaps more people that the State is unaware of at this time."

It goes on: "The defense team is expending a tremendous amount of costs having traveled from Milton, Florida to Orlando, Florida for a several week trial. The team returned to Milton, Florida prior to the arrival of Hurricane Milton in central Florida and then travelled back after it had passed — incurring additional costs."

And their point is: "The State is concerned about a potential conflict of interest between the Defendant and her team... The only way for the Court to know if there is an actual conflict of interest, rather than a potential conflict of interest, is to review the financial arrangements between the Defendant and her team."

The state's request is for the court to look into this and figure out what's going on. No filed response from the defense or the court yet, and I haven't heard this brought up at all during the trial.

Orange County Clerk of Courts Records Search

Good! It needs urgently looking into. Something sucks about this whole case and Owens being seemingly coerced or forced into taking it. I've been tracking that keenly since SB was pro se for any indications of who is paying for this entire circus.

After Owens tried and failed to negotiate the plea deal because SB 'couldn't agree to terms' then he by his own words did not want to take her as a client. He turned her down three times. Next thing he claims he was being phoned at home by a 'very persuasive lovely woman' IIRC and has taken the case on. It's not pro-bono and it's not paid for by the tax payer, so who is funding it all? He says 'Sarah owes me' to a news reporter.

This whole BSS crackpot theory (as it is applied in this case) is making me lean into a conspiracy that some type of covert lobby group or social justice faction are funding him to see they can make it fly, using it as a test case.

 

[Megnut]

Perhaps the State was lobbing softball today, but after they make a case for SB being violent toward JT, they'll come on stronger?

It really shouldn't be a trial of who hurt whom worse, but only one person is dead. After a perfectly good day of games and puzzles.

JMO

 

[jepop]

She has said it multiple times how they sit out on the deck because they can smoke out there and not inside the house. So this evidence that there were several (four, I think) well-used large ashtrays around the home which is only a small two bed, is quite a shocker. She's a pathalogical liar IMO not a compulsive liar, there's a difference. She thinks the truth is that which defends her ego and actions IMO. She has no concept of what truth means. She's obviously been playing people off against each other since the day she was born - probably her parents / grandparents / siblings.

JMO MOO

Yeah agree. So much here indicating she is a compulsive liar. I mean smoking in or outside the house has no bearing on her case, defense or prosecution so she must lie on auto, possibly whenever she registers the lie might bolster her own self image ie lied re only smoking outside cos it makes her look like a more considerate person/ better mother/ cares about passive smoking etc yet the lie is easily provable along with many others and eats into her credibility. Yet she can't seem to help herself which is where the whole notion of compulsive lying gets its definition I suppose. Jmo

ETa sorry, read your comment more fully and see you differentiate between compulsive and pathological lying. I guess I view compulsive lying as one form of pathological lying. Thinking about it moo pathological lying seems more of an umbrella term. I'm not a psychiatrist though and ignorant of any DSM or other psych based definitions.