FL - Second Duggar Son Joseph Garrett Duggar, 31, Arrested for Crimes Against a Minor, 18 March 2026

[PCHS]

I always wondered about that. How can a parent refuse a CPS request for investigation? I can see why they would want to, but since CPS primarily investigates primary caregivers, that would be the parents.

I truly have no idea - I was really surprised to hear she was able to do that - but I am admittedly not that knowledgeable in this area and I would also presume CPS is a state managed agency and the state they are in may protect more of the guardians' rights to decline state intervention with kids - just a guess.

 

[angelainwi]

Now that is interesting. Could that be why his son, JimBob wanted to be "Holier than Thou" and reject everything to keep his family pure?

There have been many studies done on genetic antisocial behavior. Following genealogy, and even adoptions, to see if it is "nature" or "nurture". This demonstrates, that there are some things that are genetically predisposed to.

I would love to see some of these studies. This is fascinating stuff.

 

[Lore Listener]

This still shocks and disgusts me just like the first time I heard MD say this about her young daughters having been molested by brother JD.


2015
"Michelle Duggar focused on her son’s behavior and intent, saying her daughters “weren’t even aware ... they didn’t probably even understand that it was improper touch.”

Josh Duggar 'was a child preying on a child,' his father says

Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar, stars of the hit TLC reality show "19 Kids and Counting," said they felt like failures after hearing that when their oldest son, Josh, was a teenager, he was involved in inappropriate conduct with several underage girls, including more than one of his younger sisters.

www.latimes.com

Horrfiying the disregard these "parents" had for their own children! Decades ago, I read on a message board about child abuse done by MD that she wrote about in a blog (lol remember those?) to other homeschool/quiverfull mothers. When the TV show happened, those posts were wiped, and I'm not sure screenshots really even existed yet. This would have been the late 90s.

However, these forms of abuse have since been documented in the documentary "Shiny Happy People." Some of them were eventually admitted to by MD. Perhaps even more shocking, M&JB (man would that misogynist hate that I just wrote her initial first, haha) were adherents of a "man" named Bill Gothard who wrote literal child abuse manuals that resulted in the murder of at least 3 children and was himself a prolific pedophilic predator.

Article about the documentary with evidence of MD child abuse: ‘Blanket training’: Duggar family documentary shows harsh way babies taught obedience

WS thread on Gothard-linked child murders: To train up a child, book has lead to the death of 3 children

Wikipedia page on Gothard, including 34 disclosures of sexual abuse and more info on his brutal and deadly child abuse practices: Bill Gothard - Wikipedia

Edit to fix link!

 

[COSCitizen]

I always wondered about that. How can a parent refuse a CPS request for investigation? I can see why they would want to, but since CPS primarily investigates primary caregivers, that would be the parents.

No probable cause for CPS to investigate JoshD's children, since he was arrested for CSAM, and there was no evidence found that he involved his children.

 

[mickey2942]

No probable cause for CPS to investigate JoshD's children, since he was arrested for CSAM, and there was no evidence found that he involved his children.

Because they were never examined or allowed to be interviewed. So, there it is.

 

[mickey2942]

I would love to see some of these studies. This is fascinating stuff.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/surviving-the-female-psychopath/202204/can-gene-psychopathy-be-in-your-family

 

[PCHS]

Horrfiying the disregard these "parents" had for their own children! Decades ago, I read on a message board about child abuse done by MD that she wrote about in a blog (lol remember those?) to other homeschool/quiverfull mothers. When the TV show happened, those posts were wiped, and I'm not sure screenshots really even existed yet. This would have been the late 90s.

However, these forms of abuse have since been documented in the documentary "Shiny Happy People." Some of them were eventually admitted to by MD. Perhaps even more shocking, M&JB (man would that misogynist hate that I just wrote her initial first, haha) were adherents of a "man" named Bill Gothard who wrote literal child abuse manuals that resulted in the murder of at least 3 children and was himself a prolific pedophilic predator.

Article about the documentary with evidence of MD child abuse: ‘Blanket training’: Duggar family documentary shows harsh way babies taught obedience

WS thread on Gothard-linked child murders: To train up a child, book has lead to the death of 3 children

Wikipedia page on Gothard, including 34 disclosures of sexual abuse and more info on his brutal and deadly child abuse practices: Bill Gothard - Wikipedia

Edit to fix link!

Yes I have heard of these books/practices when my friends were having children. My SIL's church started a book club on the Pearl books -and those philosophies were more mainstream then I care to admit about 20+ years ago, at least around here (and I live in a fairly populated, progressive area). Many (not all) of the people, in my circle who I knew though who were exposed to those philosophies stopped subscribing to them and went down the more gentle parenting type route. My anecdote only is that all the people I know all have kids that grew up to be just fine. However the people in my circle who didn't subscribe to the Train up your child & adjacent methodologies and instead were more gentle with their kids, wound up with adult children who are now achieving more, easier to be around then the few people I knew who were more focused on concerns about spoiling etc and subscribed to the Pearl/Ezzo/Dobsen mindsets. Totally anecdotal but just what I see now. I think those types of philosophies (blanket training etc) definitely encourages a blind obedience, which can be a handy tool for an abuser. Again jmo and I hope no offense is taken.

 

[MsMarple]

Yes I have heard of these books/practices when my friends were having children. My SIL's church started a book club on the Pearl books -and those philosophies were more mainstream then I care to admit about 20+ years ago, at least around here (and I live in a fairly populated, progressive area). Many (not all) of the people, in my circle who I knew though who were exposed to those philosophies stopped subscribing to them and went down the more gentle parenting type route. My anecdote only is that all the people I know all have kids that grew up to be just fine. However the people in my circle who didn't subscribe to the Train up your child & adjacent methodologies and instead were more gentle with their kids, wound up with adult children who are now achieving more, easier to be around then the few people I knew who were more focused on concerns about spoiling etc and subscribed to the Pearl/Ezzo/Dobsen mindsets. Totally anecdotal but just what I see now. I think those types of philosophies (blanket training etc) definitely encourages a blind obedience, which can be a handy tool for an abuser. Again jmo and I hope no offense is taken.

Some of us delved into that in the Josh D thread. Wow! Blanket training? And IIRC there were instructions on “training” very young babies to not cry during nap and bed times. Puke.

 

[PCHS]

Some of us delved into that in the Josh D thread. Wow! Blanket training? And IIRC there were instructions on “training” very young babies to not cry during nap and bed times. Puke.

Yes it is all about control..and teaching obedience from the beginning...

 

[TMich6811]

CPS refusal consequences vary drastically by state

 

[TMich6811]

Also I just want to clarify that there is a difference between a CPS investigation/interview and a CPS investigation/interview with a warrant/court order

 

[lonetraveler]

I *do* blame the parents and the religion insofar as they chose to join a religion that purposely teaches that girls/women are responsible for making sure they don’t provoke men by, well, simply being female. And if a male assaults them the first step is to discern what exactly they did to cause it. Step two is to then forgive the perpetrator. What kind of parent knowingly exposes their daughters to such abuse?

Having said that, in the end Joseph is an adult and as such is responsible for his actions. Plenty of people grow up in toxic environments yet manage to live loving, moral lives. What was Joseph’s thought process when he gave himself permission to abuse a little girl?

So are we talking about nature, nurture or some combination here? What was life in the Duggar household like when the cameras were off?

All MOO

Ministry that once nourished Duggar family’s faith falls from grace

Scandal brought “19 Kids and Counting” to an end, coinciding with the waning influence of the Institute in Basic Life Principles.

www.nbcnews.com

https://people.com/tv/duggar-scandal-the-19-kids-and-counting-stars-connection-to-quiverfull/

Duggar-Inspired Chore List

Looking to organize your home but at a loss for which chores (or jurisdictions) to assign? The Duggars can help! For your convenience, TLC h...

duggarfamilyblogs.blogspot.com

BBM: What was life in the Duggar household like when the cameras were off? Exactly! Maybe these two thought it was ok according to what they have witnessed while growing up.

 

[Cool Cats]

Joseph Duggar’s Wife Kendra Released From Jail, See Details

Counting On Joseph Duggar has recently made headlines for a serious crime against a child. He has been sitting in an Arkansas jail awaiting extradition. But a new turn of events happened: his wife, Kendra, was also charged, booked, and jailed today, March 20th. According to a statement from the...

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[airportwoman]

Yes I have heard of these books/practices when my friends were having children. My SIL's church started a book club on the Pearl books -and those philosophies were more mainstream then I care to admit about 20+ years ago, at least around here (and I live in a fairly populated, progressive area). Many (not all) of the people, in my circle who I knew though who were exposed to those philosophies stopped subscribing to them and went down the more gentle parenting type route. My anecdote only is that all the people I know all have kids that grew up to be just fine. However the people in my circle who didn't subscribe to the Train up your child & adjacent methodologies and instead were more gentle with their kids, wound up with adult children who are now achieving more, easier to be around then the few people I knew who were more focused on concerns about spoiling etc and subscribed to the Pearl/Ezzo/Dobsen mindsets. Totally anecdotal but just what I see now. I think those types of philosophies (blanket training etc) definitely encourages a blind obedience, which can be a handy tool for an abuser. Again jmo and I hope no offense is taken.

I'm a library bookstore volunteer, and whenever one of those Ezzo or Pearl books comes in, I throw it in the recycling bin. The other volunteers know about this too.

p.s. I never had kids, and even I know that with a few exceptions, newborns are NOT to be fed on a schedule. That's just not the way Nature operates.

 

[airportwoman]

Some of us delved into that in the Josh D thread. Wow! Blanket training? And IIRC there were instructions on “training” very young babies to not cry during nap and bed times. Puke.

I've read about babies in Chinese or Romanian orphanages who didn't cry, because they knew nobody would come. This may be what they were wanting, and children "raised" this way never fully recover.

 

[lonetraveler]

Joseph Duggar’s Wife Kendra Released From Jail, See Details

Counting On Joseph Duggar has recently made headlines for a serious crime against a child. He has been sitting in an Arkansas jail awaiting extradition. But a new turn of events happened: his wife, Kendra, was also charged, booked, and jailed today, March 20th. According to a statement from the...

tvspoilernews.com

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This woman does not need to be out of jail.

 

[PCHS]

I *do* blame the parents and the religion insofar as they chose to join a religion that purposely teaches that girls/women are responsible for making sure they don’t provoke men by, well, simply being female. And if a male assaults them the first step is to discern what exactly they did to cause it. Step two is to then forgive the perpetrator. What kind of parent knowingly exposes their daughters to such abuse?

Having said that, in the end Joseph is an adult and as such is responsible for his actions. Plenty of people grow up in toxic environments yet manage to live loving, moral lives. What was Joseph’s thought process when he gave himself permission to abuse a little girl?

So are we talking about nature, nurture or some combination here? What was life in the Duggar household like when the cameras were off?

All MOO

Ministry that once nourished Duggar family’s faith falls from grace

Scandal brought “19 Kids and Counting” to an end, coinciding with the waning influence of the Institute in Basic Life Principles.

www.nbcnews.com

https://people.com/tv/duggar-scandal-the-19-kids-and-counting-stars-connection-to-quiverfull/

Duggar-Inspired Chore List

Looking to organize your home but at a loss for which chores (or jurisdictions) to assign? The Duggars can help! For your convenience, TLC h...

duggarfamilyblogs.blogspot.com

Correct ...Two things can be true at the same time...an abuser or predator may have once been a victim previously. So it is likely a contributing factor/ reason (it doesn't excuse the behavior/crime but can still be a potentially factor/cause/reasoning for the why..)....I think imo it is ok to feel bad for the person who was victimized when they were young while still also being disgusted/repulsed/angry with the person who is the predator....I also have hears that most predators have histories of being victims (obviously there are exceptions) but yes there are other people who are horrifically abused and yet they don't become the predator...and the differentiation between both is really hard to understand and it is more then just not engaging in self control, b/c I don't think people in general have these instincts to victimize children that they are controlling - so I think it is interesting as to what differentiates the victim who becomes a predator and one who does not become a predator.... Note: of course we have no factual idea if he was actually abused s...but I personally usually think predators were victims before unless info comes out that seems to indicate otherwise . I also think that regardless of any background reasons that helped formulate who they became, they shouldn't be free among us anymore as they are a danger imo - JMO only.

 

[lonetraveler]

No probable cause for CPS to investigate JoshD's children, since he was arrested for CSAM, and there was no evidence found that he involved his children.

Do you really think that these "very programed" children will be willing to talk?

 

[PCHS]

I've read about babies in Chinese or Romanian orphanages who didn't cry, because they knew nobody would come. This may be what they were wanting, and children "raised" this way never fully recover.

Yes attachment disorders... Children with attachment disorders often have some very complex issues it is all so sad.

 

[TMich6811]

BBM: What was life in the Duggar household like when the cameras were off? Exactly! Maybe these two thought it was ok according to what they have witnessed while growing up.

I have a hard time with this because while it was drastically worse when the cameras weren’t there, the amount of recording they had over the years means the crew was there a lot a lot a lot. I’m sure the kids were trained to hide it but I am confident they saw much more than they would admit to as they did nothing.