FL - Shannon Dedrick, 7 mo., Chipley, 31 Oct 2009 #3

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  • #261
Personally and my opinion only is that SB has brass balls and would do just about anything.

Now why on earth would you think an awful thing like that, of a woman who has had a conviction for aggravated child abuse and faced formal charges in the unsolved disappearance/presumed murder of another, and wrote an indignant letter to the Governor accusing the parents of a child she babysits of child abuse and welfare fraud, while neglecting to mention her own child abuse history, and also neglecting to mention the fact that she's claimed at multiple other times/places to be related to the child in question through the child's father of record, who she claims in the letter isn't really the child's father? < /extreme sarcasm>
 
  • #262
Can anyone confirm that SB claimed that TM told her she wished her daughter would disappear.

-or-

that SB said, “I loved that child,”

Both statements were apparently made in an interview, but I have seen no such interview.

If so, whats with the past tense "loved" ? Does SB know something the rest of us don't?

I don't think I can post the source....very new here :angel: and still trying to figure out the in's/out's.

:Welcome-12-june: Welcome to WS wendypi
 
  • #263
:Welcome-12-june:

wendypi !!!
 
  • #264
She's not looking like a Munchausen case to me...more like a modern day black widow...the term was originally meant for those that killed their family and others in their care, somehow over time, it became used for those that kill spouses/lovers.
 
  • #265
Now why on earth would you think an awful thing like that, of a woman who has had a conviction for aggravated child abuse and faced formal charges in the unsolved disappearance/presumed murder of another, and wrote an indignant letter to the Governor accusing the parents of a child she babysits of child abuse and welfare fraud, while neglecting to mention her own child abuse history, and also neglecting to mention the fact that she's claimed at multiple other times/places to be related to the child in question through the child's father of record, who she claims in the letter isn't really the child's father? < /extreme sarcasm>

Okay, you have successfully made me smile for the first time in 24 hours - :dance:
 
  • #266
well hello there wendypi! Welcome!
 
  • #267
I don't think so, but I'm no expert. I think this woman is like Huckaby in some ways. Controlling personality that harms kids and tries to make it look like it is someone else's fault. Actually more complicated than that, but I'm tired.

Man. Syn and Man. Syn by Prox have more to do with making the self or a child sick so they can take them to the doctor and get lots of attention. I think Huckaby has Man. Syn. in that she does things to herself all the time so she can get attention - BUT it does not cross over to the child. So far, we have not seen where SB tries to make herself or another sick for attention. We have just seen where she harms others - to me that is a control issue.

JMO,

Salem

Makes sense now ... a control freak with brass balls who may on a regular basis insert herself into others lives to gain access to children (referring to her being Paul's babysitter here) and then do harm (SC did not convict her for no good reason IMO).
 
  • #268
I think she called herself the "babysitter" also as a reason to have Shannon away from her parents. I could call her something much worse than a babysitter but I don't want to get a T/O. This woman is an oportunist. I'd like to know how much she had to do with the parents before Shannon was born or did all of her contact start then?

I agree here. I get the sense that this woman who had no known children of her own, had a preoccupation with others' children. But, since she has been convicted of child abuse and is the main suspect in the disappearance of her step-son, it seems fair to say her preoccupation with children was not a positive one. So far I don't get that she is a thrill killer or specifically wanted to grab kids to kill them. However, I can see many possibilities: 1. Controlling and likes to interfere in others' lives. 2. Jealous of people with children. 3. A person filled with rage who likes to take that rage out on those who cannot defend themselves, like little kids. 4. A bitter person who is angry about her past conviction, her current position and somehow tries to ruin others' lives to make herself feel better.

SB sent the letter to the governor, knowing she could one day publish proof that she had been "concerned". She then refused to speak to the media much, except for giving them the letter to the governor she wrote, stating that LE told her not to talk or the baby could be harmed. They refuted that saying they have told no one not to talk to the media. (She also may have fed her niece things to say on line in order to further frame the couple).
I think this woman either tried to get the child removed, out of some sick sense of pleasure it might give her to hurt them and when that did not work, kidnapped the child in an attempt to frame them. Or, she planned to kidnap the child all along and the letter was an attempt to frame the couple. If the latter, what was the purpose for kidnapping the child? Possibly a Munchausen type of personality who wanted to stir up problems for others and insert herself as the "hero" of the story, who tried to prevent the current tragedy. Maybe she wanted a kid to vent her frustrations on with an alibi. I hope it's not the latter but her use of the past tense when describing Shannon (I loved that child), bothers me.

I agree with those who think she may have inserted herself into the family, offering to babysit, asking to take the baby, etc., and took advantage of these people who apparently have cognitive issues and limited intellectual capacity. Again, why? Perhaps because she likes the sense of control and power it gives her. Perhaps due to an obsession with children, who she can control. If SB took this baby, I think we are dealing with a complex and very twisted person.

And, I do think it was SB. Early on, before the sleuthers ferreted out the connection with SB and Paul Baker, some said: "My gut tells me the parents did not do anything". I thought about that. There was no evidence pointing away from them at the time and no reason to (otherwise) feel sorry for the parents, no psychological reason I could see that could influence posters' gut feelings. Thus, those posts struck me. I felt they may be right but I wasn't sure why.

Knowing what we do now about the parents' seeming earnestness about caring for their child, being better parents, their possible gullibility due to intellectual disabilities, and the pure evil of someone in their midst who has already abused children, I think, more than ever, that those early posters were right.
Could it be that SB just coincidentally got linked to case of foul play because she was worried about possible abuse in the home of little Shannon? No way. Abusers don't suddenly start caring about kids, IMO.
 
  • #269
does SB have a NC or SC connection that we know of?
 
  • #270
SC (Beaufort) but who knows where she grew up/was at before that time
 
  • #271
Can anyone confirm that SB claimed that TM told her she wished her daughter would disappear.

-or-

that SB said, “I loved that child,”

Both statements were apparently made in an interview, but I have seen no such interview.

If so, whats with the past tense "loved" ? Does SB know something the rest of us don't?

I don't think I can post the source....very new here :angel: and still trying to figure out the in's/out's.

Hi Wendy! Welcome to Websleuths.
Here's a link to a media article that has SB's quotes that you asked about:
http://www.newsherald.com/news/please-78782-child-chipley.html

She did say those things as quoted in the article as follows:

Shannon’s baby sitter Susan Baker claimed the little girl’s mother said she wished her daughter “would disappear” weeks before the tiny infant vanished.

“I loved that child,” Baker said of Shannon in an interview Tuesday. “And I don’t know where she’s at. And I’m really sick and tired with all these games that’s being played.
 
  • #272
Can anyone confirm that SB claimed that TM told her she wished her daughter would disappear.

-or-

that SB said, “I loved that child,”

Both statements were apparently made in an interview, but I have seen no such interview.

If so, whats with the past tense "loved" ? Does SB know something the rest of us don't?

I don't think I can post the source....very new here :angel: and still trying to figure out the in's/out's.


This may have already been posted.....

Susan Baker, who said Tuesday in a News Herald interview she "loved that child" and tried to have the state intervene with the family. Baker also supplied an e-mail she sent to Gov. Charlie Crist pleading that someone help Shannon, whom she said was being abused by her parents. Read that story here »

http://www.newsherald.com/news/please-78782-child-chipley.html
 
  • #273
I think I just re-remembered why I would never want to be in LE or even do any kind of P.I. work. People are so weird it's creepy as h***!
 
  • #274
So was SB the "Tab" person (I think that was the username) posting on Topix about the mother doing it?
 
  • #275
Wow people!

Awesome coverage of this case! No stone unturned.

One thing, though... not sure if anyone has thought of this...

As a mother of three I know that around 7 months kids still need to eat and have diapers changed around every three hours.

Mine had a feeding and change of diapers around 5-6am, then another around 9:00am, then another around 11-12noon.

If the parents of this child saw her last around 3:00am, and the next time they checked on her was 11:30am?? ...

When did this baby have her diapers changed? When was she fed? By whom?

What was this baby's schedule?

:waitasec:
 
  • #276
Dear Prudence,
You are fast!!!
:)
 
  • #277
And, I do think it was SB. Early on, before the sleuthers ferreted out the connection with SB and Paul Baker, some said: "My gut tells me the parents did not do anything". I thought about that. There was no evidence pointing away from them at the time and no reason to (otherwise) feel sorry for the parents, no psychological reason I could see that could influence posters' gut feelings. Thus, those posts struck me. I felt they may be right but I wasn't sure why.

Knowing what we do now about the parents' seeming earnestness about caring for their child, being better parents, their possible gullibility due to intellectual disabilities, and the pure evil of someone in their midst who has already abused children, I think, more than ever, that those early posters were right.
Could it be that SB just coincidentally got linked to case of foul play because she was worried about possible abuse in the home of little Shannon? No way. Abusers don't suddenly start caring about kids, IMO.
<snipped>

I was one of those who just had a strong feeling, without any basis of fact whatsoever, that the parents had no involvement in intentionally causing harm to their child. To me, LE has been very protective of the parents in their public statements (moreso than in any other case I've followed), and that leads me to believe that they're sufficiently convinced that the parents are innocent of any wrongdoing (or at least willing to give them the benefit of doubt at this point). And, the wording of LE's statements has indicated that they feel there is a strong likelihood that Shannon is still alive. This is all, of course, purely my own opinion and I pray that it's accurate.
 
  • #278
does SB have a NC or SC connection that we know of?

As near as I can figure out, she has a sister in Alabama and a brother in Kentucky.

And a made up friend in Beaufort South Carolina on her MS friends page.
 
  • #279
Okay, here we go and I am not even going to try and look up the spelling ... going to do it by ear .... manchausers syndrome - from what is known about SB thus far, does anybody know if SB exhibits any of the normal markers to be considered to have this syndrome?

I don't understand the thought that there's anything like Munchausen Syndrome displayed by SB. There are two forms: Munchausen syndrome and Munchausen syndrome by proxy. Both involve either faking or deliberately inducing conditions requiring medical attention, in order to get medical attention and the general attention and sympathy which ordinarily accompanies illness serious enough to require medical attention. The "plain" Munchausen syndrome is when the person makes themselves the patient, and the "by proxy" Munchausen syndrome is when the person makes some other person (who is not knowingly cooperating in the fraud) the patient -- in most cases, the proxy is a child because 1) young children aren't able to understand everything that's going on and tell other people, and 2) the sympathy and attention and tangible assistance customarily rendered to a parent of a very sick child is huge draw to someone inclined towards this sort of thing.

There's no evidence that SB has evidence faked or caused medical problems in herself or others, and then sought medical attention for it. She brutally abused a little girl, but that wasn't discovered until an big investigation was launched into the disappearance of the girl's sibling, with SB as a suspect. It's not like SB was brutalizing the little girl and constantly running her to the ER claiming accidents or that somebody else had hurt her. She concealed the abuse for as long as she could. And in the case of Shannon, there's no evidence that anybody had ever faked or caused illness or injury to her. Making a false complaint of child abuse certainly doesn't qualify as Munchausen by proxy -- if she actually inflicted the abuse, and then sought medical attention for it, claiming somebody else did it, that *might* qualify as some sort of Munchausen by proxy, if her chief purpose was to draw attention and sympathy to herself.
 
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