FL - Shannon Dedrick, 7 mo., Chipley, 31 Oct 2009 #3

[LadyL]

So was SB the "Tab" person (I think that was the username) posting on Topix about the mother doing it?

it's possible but she does have a 'friend' on ms named that who seems to be one of the about 25 or so who are actually real

 

[wendypi]

I am amazed that SB has the nerve to (in a nut shell) call Shannon's parents unfit and report them to the Govenor, especially given her own track record with children, so self righteous.

Not to mention she calls out her own relative on her ms by posting her "Chipley's 'Summer Sweep' document. I read her fathers last name was Shirely, so clearly she is calling out member of her own family.

It's almost as if she is trying to justify her own actions....by pointing out things others have done...unfortunately, IMO, having issues with drugs does not even compare to her conviction of abusing her step daughter..so what point is it that she is trying to make? Nothing, thus far that SS or Shannon's parents have done could compare to what SB has done. I smell a rat!

 

[pinkpuddytat]

Threre are two Erica persons .. a child that was just borned this summer and then another one of adult size that lived in the mobile with Shannon's parents. Erica the child jsut borned this summer is the great niece of SB.

Thanks! I had just posted a question about whether there could be two Ericas. What's the source for this info?

I'd been having a lot of trouble reconciling earlier admonitions on this thread not to give Erica's full name because she was a minor, with SB's accusations (which presumably she didn't want to have obviously detected as false the minute investigator walked in the door) that Erica had been engaging in baby shaking and smoking.

If there *are* two Ericas, how the heck do we distinguish between them when discussing them, without naming the one that's a minor? And my earlier comment that we shouldn't have to truncate Erica's name any more, now that DCF has directly released information containing her name to the media, may have to be voided, since it appears that was probably the *adult* Erica (it was SB's letter thatDCF released).

 

[gitana1]

She's not looking like a Munchausen case to me...more like a modern day black widow...the term was originally meant for those that killed their family and others in their care, somehow over time, it became used for those that kill spouses/lovers.

But don't black widows generally kill for money? Insurance policies, etc.? I agree that there is nothing specifically Munchausen in the little we know about SB, I do think she may fit some the general parameters of the Munchausen type. I think Huckaby does as well. Wanting control, attention, to have power, look like the hero, etc. But I think both SB and Hucakby are more complex than that. Of course, my theories are based on very little information. Powerful info, but this case has just begun.
I just really hope the baby is alive and just hidden. Poor little thing.

 

[GourmetSoy]

I have a 6 month old and he is fed every 3 hours while he is awake. He goes to bed about 10ish and wakes up around 9ish. He sleeps through the night and has since birth (not quite as long as he does now though). My son's pediatrician has advised us not to wake him up. She said that he will let us know when he is hungry and he does.

I do check on him through the night though. His crib is located on my side of the bed. If he turns over, moves his arm, makes a noise...I'm awake! I used to be a very sound sleeper; not anymore.

Mine is 8 months old, sleeps from 8pm-8am in her crib. It could be different for breastfed babies though (I don't) I think they may wake more often to eat? If she's sleeping I never wake her but always check on her. Plus, I have an angelcare monitor that will alarm if she doesn't breathe or move for 15 seconds. I don't think it's odd to sleep that long either especially if she was on the parents schedule.

 

[Salem]

I'm thinking SB was very jealous of TM and RD's new baby girl. Little Shannon was born March 11 and, while the DCF report does not specifically state so, it is my opinion that it was either SB or TAB that called CPS on March 23rd. Little Shannon was only 12 days old when the first report was made. In a way, SB might have actually done TM and RD and little Shannon a favor (and Shannon's Grandma) because DCF was involved with this baby almost immediately.

When SB saw that she was not getting the results she wanted - she wrote to the Gov'ner. SB was determined to make CPS and DCF act and act the way SB WANTED them to. Well, she failed again. I'm thinking now she is pizzed - nobody cares about that baby. What the heck - she told CPS and the Gov'ner what was going on. How come nobody took that baby and gave it to her? Okay - if that's the way they want to play...... I'll just take that baby myself.

The remaining mystery to me is: WHERE IS THAT BABY????

Salem

 

[elepher50]

If Erica is a relative of SB, SB sure didn't mention that in her letter to the Governor, in which she accused Erica (along with Michael) of shaking the baby and smoking cigarettes and drugs in the same room as the baby. If Erica is indeed a child (as has been mentioned on these threads, though I haven't seen the original source), those are some pretty huge accusations to be making against a child, and it would be seriously bizarre (though well within SB's capacity IMO) to make such accusations about a chld who's related to you, without mentioning the relationship. On the other hand, as I've pointed out before, SB seems to have claimed in many places to be related to Shannon through Shannon's father, and yet claimed in her letter to the Governor that Rusty is not really Shannon's father, and didn't mention that she'd elsewhere claimed a relationship to Shannon through Rusty.

Is there any possibility there are TWO people named Erica involved in this mess? One and adult and one a child?

Yes, there are two Erica persons .. a big one and then an infant.

 

[joybell]

on her blog she always states when she leaves the house...if anyone needs to contact me i will be on my cell......strange...is she always needed...little co-dependent...

 

[elepher50]

Thanks! I had just posted a question about whether there could be two Ericas. What's the source for this info?

I'd been having a lot of trouble reconciling earlier admonitions on this thread not to give Erica's full name because she was a minor, with SB's accusations (which presumably she didn't want to have obviously detected as false the minute investigator walked in the door) that Erica had been engaging in baby shaking and smoking.

If there *are* two Ericas, how the heck do we distinguish between them when discussing them, without naming the one that's a minor? And my earlier comment that we shouldn't have to truncate Erica's name any more, now that DCF has directly released information containing her name to the media, may have to be voided, since it appears that was probably the *adult* Erica (it was SB's letter thatDCF released).

The baby one is in SB's blog with full name and birthdate - just borned this summer. The bigger/older one is the one that lived with Michael in the same mobile as Rusty and Tina. I can't link to the SB blog .. sorry.

 

[gitana1]

Wow people!

Awesome coverage of this case! No stone unturned.

One thing, though... not sure if anyone has thought of this...

As a mother of three I know that around 7 months kids still need to eat and have diapers changed around every three hours.

Mine had a feeding and change of diapers around 5-6am, then another around 9:00am, then another around 11-12noon.

If the parents of this child saw her last around 3:00am, and the next time they checked on her was 11:30am?? ...

When did this baby have her diapers changed? When was she fed? By whom?

What was this baby's schedule?

:waitasec:

I thought I heard a report that the parents got up around 8:00 a.m. but did not report the child missing until 11:30 or so. Some have theorized that SB may have routinely taken the baby with her, just came over and and picked the baby up, so possibly the parents thought she had the baby. hence, they were not too worried. Remember, these people have limited intellectual capacity so they may not be like your average parent.
Apparently they asked the neighbors around 11:15 a.m. if they saw anyone pull into the drive that day. Some have also theorized that the parents called SB, asked if she had the baby and were told no, hence, they called LE. Final theory I have seen on here - that SB drugged the parents the night before which is why they did not wake to care for the baby and why they slept so long. In any event, I'm sure we will find out soon. I hope.

 

[elepher50]

on her blog she always states when she leaves the house...if anyone needs to contact me i will be on my cell......strange...is she always needed...little co-dependent...

Yep, she is wanted.

 

[LadyL]

heh - she inadvertantly used two different shots from the same model on two different profiles (with different names) on ms - oooops

 

[LadyL]

on her blog she always states when she leaves the house...if anyone needs to contact me i will be on my cell......strange...is she always needed...little co-dependent...

which blog?

 

[elepher50]

heh - she inadvertantly used two different shots from the same model on two different profiles (with different names) on ms - oooops

I hate MS ... what would be the purpose behind putting up all those fake MS profiles ... any ideas?

ETA: I mean really Betty Boop??

 

[elepher50]

which blog?

It is all throughout her blog on MS (SB) ... everytime she left the house it seems she dropped a msg on MS blog to call on her cell if needed .. all throughout the blog.

 

[gitana1]

I don't understand the thought that there's anything like Munchausen Syndrome displayed by SB. There are two forms: Munchausen syndrome and Munchausen syndrome by proxy. Both involve either faking or deliberately inducing conditions requiring medical attention, in order to get medical attention and the general attention and sympathy which ordinarily accompanies illness serious enough to require medical attention. The "plain" Munchausen syndrome is when the person makes themselves the patient, and the "by proxy" Munchausen syndrome is when the person makes some other person (who is not knowingly cooperating in the fraud) the patient -- in most cases, the proxy is a child because 1) young children aren't able to understand everything that's going on and tell other people, and 2) the sympathy and attention and tangible assistance customarily rendered to a parent of a very sick child is huge draw to someone inclined towards this sort of thing.

There's no evidence that SB has evidence faked or caused medical problems in herself or others, and then sought medical attention for it. She brutally abused a little girl, but that wasn't discovered until an big investigation was launched into the disappearance of the girl's sibling, with SB as a suspect. It's not like SB was brutalizing the little girl and constantly running her to the ER claiming accidents or that somebody else had hurt her. She concealed the abuse for as long as she could. And in the case of Shannon, there's no evidence that anybody had ever faked or caused illness or injury to her. Making a false complaint of child abuse certainly doesn't qualify as Munchausen by proxy -- if she actually inflicted the abuse, and then sought medical attention for it, claiming somebody else did it, that *might* qualify as some sort of Munchausen by proxy, if her chief purpose was to draw attention and sympathy to herself.

Based on several books I have read, I think SB could share personality traits with Munchausen types. What we know of her and the case does not point to Muchasuen's true, and I don't think anyone's really saying that. But, if she stole Shannon, her actions somewhat mirror some of the behaviors of people with Munchausens by Proxy, IMO. Wanting to watch people's kids, seeming really into children, creating an emergency scenario that she inserts herself into by acting as the hero who tried to prevent a tragedy, etc. I think people with Muchasuen's share similarities with other nuts who do terrible things. Their disturbance just manifests itself in different ways. Again, though I think this person's problems are much more complex than any one diagnosis. cause' evil usually is.

 

[joybell]

the blog on her ms page.....

 

[LadyL]

I hate MS ... what would be the purpose behind putting up all those fake MS profiles ... any ideas?

I have some ideas ... beyond just generally being a troll, some people do it to actually scam the naive into giving them $$$ with sob stories and by pretending to be say, a 21 yr. old model who has fallen in love with someone on ms but just desperately needs $$$ to fly over from wherever to meet that special someone etc. etc.

maybe I've seen too many datelines lol

also, the other thing I was thinking was if someone is seriously disturbed, maybe they make all these fake profiles up with names of people they feel have wronged them and then proceed to garner a nasty rep under that name ...

but I'm going with the scam aspect ... wth has that much time & energy to waste unless they're getting something tangible in return like $$$

 

[gitana1]

Here's some characteristics of MPB. I'll bold the ones I think could apply with SB if she is involved.
Munchausen by Proxy (MBP) - The Basics[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica][FONT=Times New Roman, Times New Roman, Times][/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica] [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]MBP/FDP is NOT a formal DSM-IV mental health diagnosis. It is a recognized form of maltreatment.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Many MBP maltreatment cases happen within the outpatient setting, rather than inpatient settings.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Most MBP maltreatment cases are confirmed through solid circumstantial evidence; very few are confirmed through direct evidence such as covert video surveillance.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica] There is virtually no physical or psychological-behavioral-mental health problem that cannot be exaggerated and/or fabricated and/or induced.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica] Exaggerate: The perpetrator deliberately embellishes a genuine problem.
Fabricate: The perpetrator deliberately makes up a problem story - OR makes it look as if a problem exists.
Induce: The perpetrator deliberately causes a problem to exist.
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Exaggeration/fabrication cases should be considered as potentially lethal as cases in which inducing is suspected or confirmed.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]A caretaker may perpetrate MBP maltreatment through one or a combination of exaggeration, fabrication, or inducing. The perpetrator may change methods throughout the life of the case.[/FONT]

 

[not_my_kids]

But don't black widows generally kill for money? Insurance policies, etc.? I agree that there is nothing specifically Munchausen in the little we know about SB, I do think she may fit some the general parameters of the Munchausen type. I think Huckaby does as well. Wanting control, attention, to have power, look like the hero, etc. But I think both SB and Hucakby are more complex than that. Of course, my theories are based on very little information. Powerful info, but this case has just begun.
I just really hope the baby is alive and just hidden. Poor little thing.

Targets Are Changing; Strangers are Becoming victims

However, Christiana Evripidou of the University of Virginia found in a 2004 study that the traditional targets of the Black Widow may be changing. "An increase in strangers as victims has occurred in recent years," she says.

So although it seems as though the Black Widows may be targeting strangers rather than loved ones and family members more often than in the past, they may still be killing more as a substitute for security rather than just from pure greed and covetousness as many people believe.



Read more: http://forensicscience.suite101.com/article.cfm/black_widows_female_serial_killers#ixzz0VxCfrFSe