FL - Somer Thompson, 7, Orange Park, 19 Oct 2009 #24

[Noway]

If they had lied to the family, that would be horrific. And as far as I know, you would not be able to stop an immediate family member from viewing someone at the funeral home, whether it was a request from LE or not. I would want to make sure of things myself if it came to that.

According to Sadnpod, Samuel had asked to see Somer; the funeral home director recommended he not.

I don't know if investigators asked the funeral home director (or whoever Sadnpod talked with) to steer people away or whether it was the funeral director acting alone.

I just know what I read and that it surprised me. (see my post from [ame="http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4349221&postcount=180"]Thread 9[/ame] that I posted above)

 

[Noway]

It seems from this discussion there are a number of methods that would lead LE to immediately think homicide (even considering that she was in a trash truck and under tons of garbage).

But nothing that narrows down for me who could have done it. It's just chilling me and making me think this is a level of evil I don't want to know.

 

[houndstooth]

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BBM: my imagination would like to entertain #5 please... ok my imagination envisions a false ceiling in the bathroom & maybe one of the ceiling tiles weren't properly in place. So they looked up there & found some type of evidence that had been hidden. Or someone tipped them off to look in there...just like my imagination feels someone tipped them off about the trash. Good old fashioned detective work my big fat azz.

I'm gonna take that theory and run with it. You game?

A tip comes in, or dogs alert on a certain dumpster. Or even, pull back that first evening depending on how early interviews went. They have undercover cars in the neighborhood who FOLLOW a vehicle that leads to the dumpster.

They keep this person under surveillance, but don't move in because the person who is disposing of the body may not have been the killer, or acted alone.

However it happened, her body is recovered. The next morning several local groups were set to meet to resume the search at 7:30 am. These searches were cancelled. The public is not informed until Wed. that based "on a hunch" or " great training" take your pick, that two different officers are given credit for, that trash trucks were followed to the dump. This to me is further evidence of covering up the fact that S. was already found.

She would most likely have had her body sent to the ME and the autopsy performed before it was even announced that she was found. It would have been done in Fl not GA as claimed in the "official" scenario.

This would be done so as not to tip off the perp(s) of course so that their movements and activities and possibly conversations could be tracked both before and after stating she had been found. Even still, a Wed evening announcement would have come surprisingly early from the perps point of view. The trash trucks would still need to be followed to the dump and logged by area to contain the contents of the original dumpster and other dumpsters in the area in case that evidence may have been dispersed in several. This is how it appears to me Chee.

 

[VirginiaTwo]

TIA but how do you know the party pix are from 2003/2004 when they are dated 01/29/2005?

Oh gosh, I do apologize. I thought they were dated 1/2004. So, knowing they were probably from Halloween of the year before, I put 2003/2004. I was sure I had seen that date. Whoops. I stand corrected.

 

[houndstooth]

From my post

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased FL-Somer Renee Thompson, 7, Orange Park thread #9

Has anyone ever heard of this before? Investigators requesting a closed casket? It would seem to me that there is a specific reason for this. When my sister was killed we were allowed a viewing and it was left up to us whether her viewing and funeral would be open or closed casket. We chose closed. That it was not handled in that way in this case, by investigators and not the funeral home speaks volumes to me. There is something in the nature of the wounds that they did not want certain parties to see that only the perp(s) and LE alone would know. Since COD was not then or now made public.

 

[human]

The next morning several local groups were set to meet to resume the search at 7:30 am. These searches were cancelled. The public is not informed until Wed. that based "on a hunch" or " great training" take your pick, that two different officers are given credit for, that trash trucks were followed to the dump. This to me is further evidence of covering up the fact that S. was already found.



Bolded by me. (learning more things to do on here.)

I didn't know the searches were canceled. They were?

I don't think they saw someone dumping the body or they would arrest that person RIGHT NOW! But I can see some other elements like the dumpster business after she was already on her way. I don't think before.

I think that would really be unethical considering the parents didn't know where she was. Has LE ever done that before? Known the child was dead, but didn't tell the parents until much later?

 

[Noway]

Houndstooth, was the Equusearch search canceled or was that part of your theory scenario?

http://texasequusearch.org/2009/10/amber-alert-somer-renee-thompson-7-yrs-orange-park-fl-101909/

Aren't these photos of search for Somer?

 

[JLMcKenna83]

Has anyone ever heard of this before? Investigators requesting a closed casket? It would seem to me that there is a specific reason for this. When my sister was killed we were allowed a viewing and it was left up to us whether her viewing and funeral would be open or closed casket. We chose closed. That it was not handled in that way in this case, by investigators and not the funeral home speaks volumes to me. There is something in the nature of the wounds that they did not want certain parties to see that only the perp(s) and LE alone would know. Since COD was not then or now made public.

ITA I think they may be trying to trip someone up. They start a line of questioning with someone and the one being questioned pops out with.. "I didn't stab that lady" LE then goes.. "We never said she was stabbed... Sounds like you know something..."

 

[Noway]

Oh gosh, I do apologize. I thought they were dated 1/2004. So, knowing they were probably from Halloween of the year before, I put 2003/2004. I was sure I had seen that date. Whoops. I stand corrected.

LMAO!

No worries. But I won't tell you how much time I spent on that website looking at the properties of pix and trying to figure out some dating system! I was SO needing Cam for this one! (teasing you there Cam ... )

 

[human]

I wish cam was still here!

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Did Nevaeh or Sandra Cantu have thier viewing?Maybe they just suggest it for murdered children.I don't think Nevaeh's mom got to see her daughter either.If Somer was shot in the head.It could have been the face or other possibilities.I won't get into it.I don't like to think about it.Poor little Somer.I pray they find her killer soon.This is very sad.

 

[human]

I think it would have to be the face that is at issue because they can cover everything else up.

I was thinking rats, but she was under garbage so I think that is out. (sorry)

 

[houndstooth]

Houndstooth, was the Equusearch search canceled or was that part of your theory scenario?

http://texasequusearch.org/2009/10/amber-alert-somer-renee-thompson-7-yrs-orange-park-fl-101909/

Aren't these photos of search for Somer?

On a story posted that Tuesday, I believe, the seach that was scheduled to meet and search parties organized WAS CANCELLED. It was to meet at the school. The elementary or middle school on Gano. The Equus Search I don't know about beforehand, but I believe it as scheduled for Thurs. Since the announcement was Wed. it was a moot point.

 

[sorrell skye]

Has anyone ever heard of this before? Investigators requesting a closed casket? It would seem to me that there is a specific reason for this. When my sister was killed we were allowed a viewing and it was left up to us whether her viewing and funeral would be open or closed casket. We chose closed. That it was not handled in that way in this case, by investigators and not the funeral home speaks volumes to me. There is something in the nature of the wounds that they did not want certain parties to see that only the perp(s) and LE alone would know. Since COD was not then or now made public.

AFAIK, LE cannot prevent next of kin from viewing the body of the deceased, unless they have a court order.

AFAIK, once the body is released to family members, next of kin & the funeral home make decisions regarding viewing/burial/cremation, etc.

If there was a court order preventing anyone from viewing the deceased, there has been no mention of it in the media or by LE.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

I was thinking.Something important must have been found at the Gano house for them to bring heavy equipment and start digging there.They did this right?Were they looking for Somer or evidence?

 

[houndstooth]

The next morning several local groups were set to meet to resume the search at 7:30 am. These searches were cancelled. The public is not informed until Wed. that based "on a hunch" or " great training" take your pick, that two different officers are given credit for, that trash trucks were followed to the dump. This to me is further evidence of covering up the fact that S. was already found.



Bolded by me. (learning more things to do on here.)

I didn't know the searches were canceled. They were?

I don't think they saw someone dumping the body or they would arrest that person RIGHT NOW! But I can see some other elements like the dumpster business after she was already on her way. I don't think before.

I think that would really be unethical considering the parents didn't know where she was. Has LE ever done that before? Known the child was dead, but didn't tell the parents until much later?

Not necessarily. I am sure LE knew that Susan Smith's children were dead before they "told" her. This may or may not be a good example depending on your point of view. I will add this however. My family has had more than one brush with death in which LE CAME to the door of our family to inform us of a death. Never did they pick up the phone and call to tell us this.
Now you make of that what you will.

 

[human]

I was thinking.Something important must have been found at the Gano house for them to bring heavy equipment and start digging there.They did this right?Were they looking for Somer or evidence?

They were there after Somer was found.

 

[Noway]

On a story posted that Tuesday, I believe, the seach that was scheduled to meet and search parties organized WAS CANCELLED. It was to meet at the school. The elementary or middle school on Gano. The Equus Search I don't know about beforehand, but I believe it as scheduled for Thurs. Since the announcement was Wed. it was a moot point.

This says EquuSearch was to arrive on Wednesday but maybe that was changed to Thursday. IDK

bbm

10/20/09 — Texas EquuSearch will be joining law enforcement in the search for Somer Renee Thompson, age 7, on Wednesday, October 21, 2009, at 8:00 a.m. The Command Center will be located at Orange Park Athletic Association, 1086 Fromhart St., Orange Park, FL 32073. The website for the park is www.opaa.us.

http://texasequusearch.org/2009/10/amber-alert-somer-renee-thompson-7-yrs-orange-park-fl-101909/

 

[human]

Not necessarily. I am sure LE knew that Susan Smith's children were dead before they "told" her. This may or may not be a good example depending on your point of view. I will add this however. My family has had more than one brush with death in which LE CAME to the door of our family to inform us of a death. Never did they pick up the phone and call to tell us this.
Now you make of that what you will.

Did they call DT? I think they called ST, which I thought was weird. Youwould think they would ask an officer of the other state to go talk to him.

 

[VirginiaTwo]

You're probably right;Or maybe her throat was slashed!!

We knew a little boy who was killed by a car. He had huge lacerations on his face and chunks of skin missing (sorry) where he had been dragged on the asphalt. He had an open casket at his funeral. The mortuary folks had tried so hard to rebuild his face, but he did not look like the same child. You could see the putty or whatever it was. The whole thing was heart-breaking. Whatever reason his folks had for wanting his casket open, it was their call and I respect that.

Having seen his little face "recontructed" so to speak, I was thinking about Somer. Could they have put a turtleneck or scarf on Somer after some kind of "reconstruction", if her wounds were to the neck? I hate to think whatever killed this angel could be worse than slashing of the throat, but I'm leaning that way, (with tears flowing.)