FL - Somer Thompson, 7, Orange Park, 19 Oct 2009 #24

[pinamia]

She was mad at her friend and mad at her siblings (conjecture on my part based on the media reports).

I don't think that necessarily translates to mad at the world at large. Not with a 7 year old. I don't know if Somer was quick to snap at someone and quick to forgive.

A stranger might be just what she was looking for if he/she made the initial approach and was nice to Somer ... then Somer might respond the same way.

I just can't agree with your statement about knowing Somer did not go with a stranger that day.

Stats are on my side.

 

[what about this?]

Wasn't there a "friend" that Somer had that was going to build something for her?

Somer seems like the kind of loving soul who was so trusting and lovable, just because that's who she was, not for any other reason.

What about elderly people in the neighborhood - friends she could have made and not said anything about?

The violence to her little body could surely have come from the trash trucks, even if no compacting took place. IMO

 

[what about this?]

The fact that they decided "homicide" could entirely have come from the fact that she was found in the trash, couldn't it?

 

[Noway]

LogicalMinds, my kids are talkers (imagine that!) and I can easily imagine them having the kind of conversation with the construction worker that Somer allegedly did.

My kids copy what we say and we can often tell exactly who in the family (mom, dad, aunt, uncle) they are copying.

I imagine Somer heard an adult say that about the house on Gano and used it when she stopped to talk.

It's been noted that Diena has a habit of using what others have said ... maybe Somer picked that up too?

I have always been a talker but never went into someone's car especially before I was 20.

Including my quote here because you quoted it.

I did not say anything here about getting into a car. ???? Maybe you meant to quote someone else?

 

[pinamia]

Wasn't there a "friend" that Somer had that was going to build something for her?

Somer seems like the kind of loving soul who was so trusting and lovable, just because that's who she was, not for any other reason.

What about elderly people in the neighborhood - friends she could have made and not said anything about?

The violence to her little body could surely have come from the trash trucks, even if no compacting took place. IMO

I surely hope you are right. I wouldn't want her to have suffered and wish it was instantaneously. I wish she was alive and well.

 

[Noway]

Wasn't there a "friend" that Somer had that was going to build something for her?

Somer seems like the kind of loving soul who was so trusting and lovable, just because that's who she was, not for any other reason.

What about elderly people in the neighborhood - friends she could have made and not said anything about?

The violence to her little body could surely have come from the trash trucks, even if no compacting took place. IMO

BBM

This was someone's theory. That is what I was told. I've never been able to find anything about anyone building something for Somer in media reports.

 

[pinamia]

Including my quote here because you quoted it.

I did not say anything here about getting into a car. ???? Maybe you meant to quote someone else?

I meant you. You asked how do I know she wouldn't well that's how I know. One thing doesn't mean another. Somer was friendly but wasn't getting in a car with a stranger. No one heard anything. So that means it was someone she knew.

 

[ccane]

I want to know why the search area monday night was not the gano area where she was last seen. I find it strange they searched peoples house at 2:00am near the pond when to our knowledge know one said she was seen there

 

[what about this?]

I surely hope you are right. I wouldn't want her to have suffered and wish it was instantaneously. I wish she was alive and well.

I was thinking the same thing - what a sweetheart - wouldn't it be nice to have known her?

 

[alexandra]

I originally thought because they wouldn't let family view Somer's body that it must have been badly injured during her murder. But the more I think about it, I'm leaning toward decomp. Even though it was just 2 days, not sure what the average temp was for those 2 days. But the heat given off from trash is significant. I need to research it to find out exactly how it breaks down. Hubby says dumps actually have to add organic compounds to dump contents to prevent fires from breaking out under layers of trash. He was just telling me our local dump uses the gases from the trash decomp to heat their entire facility during the winter months. So, I'm changing my position on this...I think they didn't want family to view Somer because of already significant decomp...sorry to be graphic

 

[sadnpod]

OK all this drug talk has me back at somethings from yesterday...

She was referred to as "Britney" who's former bodyguard once claimed he feared she would die from a drug overdose after finding her completely "out of it" in a hotel room and then another time Police and ambulances were called to Spears' home after Britney allegedley refused to give custody of her children back to Kevin Federline. She was then taken to hospital after it appeared she was highly intoxicated on an unknown substance. Some speculate it's possible that Britney Spears attempted suicide, or overdosed

Wheels are turning - which leads to other questions - and makes me wonder if ST knows about this "hospitalization"? Or was he in Iraq and missed EVERYTHING...for example, both the party and the hospitalization?!?!?

Just wondering out loud kids. Can I do that here?

You can wonder out loud all you want....

 

[Noway]

I meant you. You asked how do I know she wouldn't well that's how I know. One thing doesn't mean another. Somer was friendly but wasn't getting in a car with a stranger. No one heard anything. So that means it was someone she knew.

Did you know Somer?

I ask because her mother said (when LE asked her if she'd go with a stranger) she would.

If there was no reason to scream there would be no reason for anyone to hear anything.

Say the person said their dog had puppies and would she like to go over to the house (it was close by) and see them? If the person didn't give any reason for Somer to feel alarm then there would be no reason to scream and no reason for anyone to hear anything.

You knowing that Somer would not get in a car with a stranger is your opinion, and that's all I was trying to figure out.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

We all do now. We've only discussed her day and night. Live and breath till this monster is caught. I know a little about children, having been one and having 3 kids as well as babysat some and converse with some. The last thing any kid wants to do is get into a stranger's car.

In and around 1974.I was walking home and in front of my house.A man in a car stopped and said your mommy is in the hospital come with me.I looked around there was no one outside.I don't think anyone would have seen me leave with this guy.I would have went willingly.No noise.Because I thought he was going to take me to my mom.I didn't go.I really don't know why.I walked in my house and called my mom at work like I did every day.She was ok.I have never forgotten this.So it is possible she could have went with a stranger.But I personally feel she walked in the house on Gano where the contruction workers were.

 

[human]

I have read that Debarry is a really busy street. I don't know as I have never been there. But if it's busy, I can't see a car being able to stop and lure her in. Is there parking on Debarry? There is not on Gano. You'd have to pull over and stop. Definitely a noticeable act. Would be remembered by someone, I'm sure.

If she made it further, then the streets might not be so busy, but a chance. But I'm sure these perps take chances.

Honestly, kids fight all of the time about stupid stuff that has no meaning.

IF and that's a BIG if in my eyes, the comment by Kyle at the Gano house would lead me to believe that Somer was no longer that crabby.

I agree, Noway, that kids do say things they hear others say. But she was in first grade. She would have to have the abstract reasoning to think to herself, "Someone is working on a house. A thing that people say in this particular situation is, ' You're doing a good job.'"

Would she? She might repeat it if someone had commented on it. Then she might repeat it. I just don't believe a first grader would think that. But maybe she is a very bright child. How would I know?

 

[JLMcKenna83]

I meant you. You asked how do I know she wouldn't well that's how I know. One thing doesn't mean another. Somer was friendly but wasn't getting in a car with a stranger. No one heard anything. So that means it was someone she knew.

BBM...
Not necessarily. There could be 100 different reasons why no one heard anything. Construction in the area, the children walking home making noise (children tend to be loud), She could have been over powered and her mouth covered....

I'm just saying that nothing can be ruled out at this point....

 

[houndstooth]

I originally thought because they wouldn't let family view Somer's body that it must have been badly injured during her murder. But the more I think about it, I'm leaning toward decomp. Even though it was just 2 days, not sure what the average temp was for those 2 days. But the heat given off from trash is significant. I need to research it to find out exactly how it breaks down. Hubby says dumps actually have to add organic compounds to dump contents to prevent fires from breaking out under layers of trash. He was just telling me our local dump uses the gases from the trash decomp to heat their entire facility during the winter months. So, I'm changing my position on this...I think they didn't want family to view Somer because of already significant decomp...sorry to be graphic

I still maintain that decisions based on inability to completely repair damage by the embalmers/funeral home personnel is discussed with the family to determine whether they would prefer an open or closed service.

This is not ordinarily the perview of LE that I am aware of.

 

[JLMcKenna83]

And the truth of the matter is that while we would all like to think we know Somer, we don't. We know OF Somer. As reported by DT and the press. Keep that in mind.

 

[Noway]

Human, I was responding to those who didn't think the comment alleged by Kyle was anything a kid would say. I think it is something a kid would say. If they couldn't come up with it on their own, then perhaps copying someone else.

I'm not even sure now what Somer was alleged to have said. (good job, good job on the renovations, ?)

JMO

 

[zannah]

I can think of a couple of possible scenarios for getting in a car with someone. Suppose the kid she fought with, or possibly that kid and several friends, caught up with her and beat her up. Then a teen or adult comes upon her offering a ride home.

Or suppose someone close enough to the family to be aware of the divorce situation tells her her dad sent him to get her and take her back to NC since he couldn't come himself.

I could see her willingly going with someone in one of those situations.

But I really think the fight at school is a key element--what it was about and who it was with. Suppose one of the kids had brought something like a weapon to school and she threatened to tell on them . . . her sister tries to keep her quiet, but she runs off . . .

I wouldn't count out an accident either--she goes to hide somewhere--treehouse (there must be one in the area or the babysitter wouldn't have mentioned it) or even in that construction dumpster, and something untoward happens.

Just some of the ideas that have rambled through my brain.

 

[human]

I can't remember the study, but there was one done. Mothers were told that their child would go with a stranger. The mothers said, "No way." Then they did whatever it was, and most of the kids did whatever it was. I think they watched in one of those 2-way mirrors.Went with the stranger. I know this is really vague.

Kids are kids. That's the problem.

Then there was another study where some researcher and maybe older kids simulated an abduction. Hardly anyone did anything about it.

Although in this case, someone would mention if they saw something, I'm pretty sure, unless it's someone proetecting the perp.