FL - Somer Thompson, 7, Orange Park, 19 Oct 2009 #24

[Noway]

Zannah, I think the fight was more of a squabble. I remember watching the video of the uncle of the little girl. I also remember the Sheriff mentioning it.

But since I'm not posting the links in this thread, consider that JMO until I do. And maybe even after that.


ETA
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mostpo...to-Somer-Thompson/CghyE6_PfUGlZmOMcOl4sA.cspx

Edited to meet the requirements on names.

M told detectives she and Somer got into some kind of argument, Somer ran ahead of her, and that was the last anyone has seen of her.
“We took M inside and asked her if she seen her...she said yea, I walked home with her. And she had said something about, there was a little argument or something, and then she ran off,” said GC..

 

[sadnpod]

According to Sadnpod, Samuel had asked to see Somer; the funeral home director recommended he not.

I don't know if investigators asked the funeral home director (or whoever Sadnpod talked with) to steer people away or whether it was the funeral director acting alone.

I just know what I read and that it surprised me. (see my post from Thread 9 that I posted above)

As far as I know that was the only person he asked, and it was not the director.. Ive often wondered what would have happened if he had insisted.

 

[zannah]

Zannah, I think the fight was more of a squabble. I remember watching the video of the uncle of the little girl. I also remember the Sheriff mentioning it.

But since I'm not posting the links in this thread, consider that JMO until I do. And maybe even after that.

Oh ok--wasn't aware they had identified who the fight was with--some reports had mentioned another child at school--some even said it was with her siblings. I missed the video you're talking about--my firefox has not been video friendly lately.

 

[Noway]

Somer was walking home from school in Orange Park, Fla., Monday afternoon when she ran ahead of her sister and twin brother after getting into a spat with another student.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33446804/ns/today-today_people/


Just to note it's being described various ways but all seem pretty lowkey to involve murder as retaliation. IMO

 

[ccane]

And the truth of the matter is that while we would all like to think we know Somer, we don't. We know OF Somer. As reported by DT and the press. Keep that in mind.

Or some people here did know her or family/friends and don't want to say they do?

 

[Noway]

Diena says (in response to reporter asking what Diena would like us to all remember about Somer): Just how beautiful she was, how sweet and innocent, and just wanted to always -- just wanted to be friends with everybody.

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[human]

here is a study that talks about sexual abuse, the pervs, the kids at risk. I don't know what year the study was done, but it quotes research from 2001. I didn't download the PDF, just the html.

Somer really fits the profile of a child at risk, IMO

http://74.6.239.67/search/cache?ei=...7&icp=1&.intl=us&sig=kzlAYYjq0b3LoNkYGKadjg--

 

[Noway]

I was actually looking for the Sheriff talking about the squabble between Somer and her friend M., and found this.

The Sheriff on video saying he contacted Diena around 9 p.m. on Wednesday, after Somer's body was found in the landfill.

In the same video, the Sheriff says they will be breaking down their Command Center at OPAA and relocating to the OP operations center on Blanding Blvd. (at about 3:17 on video)

hope I caught that right ... it suddenly got very noisy at my house

 

[Dee10]

here is a study that talks about sexual abuse, the pervs, the kids at risk. I don't know what year the study was done, but it quotes research from 2001. I didn't download the PDF, just the html.

Somer really fits the profile of a child at risk, IMO

http://74.6.239.67/search/cache?ei=...7&icp=1&.intl=us&sig=kzlAYYjq0b3LoNkYGKadjg--

Thank you so much for that link and that is the point Pinamia meant when she said stats are on her side (in not being a stranger).

25% of sexual abuse is perpetrated by a parent or "parent
substitute"

25% from other relatives

And the rest are mostly be acquaintances. Only a small percentage
of abuses are unknown to their victims.

I think this is so important to a parent to realize to pay attention to who's place your son or daughter's is spending the night at, watching cousin "Joe", that sort of thing vs. being terrified about the extremely rare stranger. If parents concentrated on the top 3 imagine how many kids wouldn't have to suffer being sexual abused.

 

[ccane]

I was actually looking for the Sheriff talking about the squabble between Somer and her friend M., and found this.

The Sheriff on video saying he contacted Diena around 9 p.m. on Wednesday, after Somer's body was found in the landfill.

In the same video, the Sheriff says they will be breaking down their Command Center at OPAA and relocating to the OP operations center on Blanding Blvd. (at about 3:17 on video)

hope I caught that right ... it suddenly got very noisy at my house

On another web site it is posted 10-21-2009, 01:08 PM that they were searching the landfill" ..

Channel 4 also learned that a search was conducted at the Folkston, Ga., landfill where Clay County's garbage is dumped. Clay County officials said the search was routine, not the result of a tip, and nothing related to this case was found."

This is the same day I think DT did her 1st interview with the sheriff?

Why would they still do the interview if they where searching the landfill and not wait it out a bit?

 

[sadnpod]

Ive been reading to catch up... I was at ST's house around 3pm on wednesday when LH said the sheriff called about the body, but not a positive ID. I dont know what time he called that night as ST left with me and did not talk to him. The birthmark was enough ID for him..

ST deployed for Iraq early oct 2005.

Sorry, I cant check the bathroom ceiling tiles.. Im out of town and wont be back for a week or so.

 

[ccane]

Thank you so much for that link and that is the point Pinamia meant when she said stats are on her side (in not being a stranger).

25% of sexual abuse is perpetrated by a parent or "parent
substitute"

25% from other relatives

And the rest are mostly be acquaintances. Only a small percentage
of abuses are unknown to their victims.

I think this is so important to a parent to realize to pay attention to who's place your son or daughter's is spending the night at, watching cousin "Joe", that sort of thing vs. being terrified about the extremely rare stranger. If parents concentrated on the top 3 imagine how many kids wouldn't have to suffer being sexual abused.

You are right... trust no one. Have the sleep overs at your house
I learned the hard way... trust no one

 

[cathdawg]

Hi Gang: Back @ my friends place who just moved , no puter. So...I am at an Internet Cafe once again. This is crazy but I was watching TV and all of a sudden I thought OMG what about a crossing guard????? This is a person that would see Somer everyday, know her patter and know when the refuse was picked up , ie: a local. The guard did not recall seeing Somer @ Debarry that day...Maybe I am crazy but.....what do you think???? TIA Are there Male Crossing Guards in this area , hello any locals out there???? In my town they tend to be Mom's or G Mom's just making some extra $$$ .

 

[txsvicki]

The video with DT talking about stranger danger kind of annoys me. She talks about how she feels she failed, because she had tried to teach Somer about stranger danger. Then on another interview she admits that Somer would have gotten into a car with someone. This is like putting the blame on the victim. No one knows yet whether Somer willingly got into a car or went to a secluded area with a stranger. Somer was all alone, known to have done it before, and could have been grabbed into an area or vehicle. If Somer defended herself and scratched the attacker ( we don't know that for sure yet either), that could rule out going willingly. If an attacker gets a person secluded easily they have a better chance of overcoming the victim without much of a fight. Especially a child.

 

[cathdawg]

The video with DT talking about stranger danger kind of annoys me. She talks about how she feels she failed, because she had tried to teach Somer about stranger danger. Then on another interview she admits that Somer would have gotten into a car with someone. This is like putting the blame on the victim. No one knows yet whether Somer willingly got into a car or went to a secluded area with a stranger. Somer was all alone, known to have done it before, and could have been grabbed into an area or vehicle. If Somer defended herself and scratched the attacker ( we don't know that for sure yet either), that could rule out going willingly. If an attacker gets a person secluded easily they have a better chance of overcoming the victim without much of a fight. Especially a child.

Yes, a total contradiction.

 

[txsvicki]

Hi Gang: Back @ my friends place who just moved , no puter. So...I am at an Internet Cafe once again. This is crazy but I was watching TV and all of a sudden I thought OMG what about a crossing guard????? This is a person that would see Somer everyday, know her patter and know when the refuse was picked up , ie: a local. The guard did not recall seeing Somer @ Debarry that day...Maybe I am crazy but.....what do you think???? TIA Are there Male Crossing Guards in this area , hello any locals out there???? In my town they tend to be Mom's or G Mom's just making some extra $$$ .

I've posted about this before, and maybe the majority of these cross guards in the U.S. are okay, but the nuttiest person I've ever ran across was one of them. Being old didn't matter or that they are hired by police. The police might refuse to admit one of their hires is mean. The nut that acted obsessed with me and was touching little girls on their bare arms as they crossed is still on the job and even drove by my home last month and it looked like he gave my 8 year old grandson the finger. Complaining did no good and got me threatened with having charges filed on me because I would not quit complaining.

 

[ccane]

The video with DT talking about stranger danger kind of annoys me. She talks about how she feels she failed, because she had tried to teach Somer about stranger danger. Then on another interview she admits that Somer would have gotten into a car with someone. This is like putting the blame on the victim. No one knows yet whether Somer willingly got into a car or went to a secluded area with a stranger. Somer was all alone, known to have done it before, and could have been grabbed into an area or vehicle. If Somer defended herself and scratched the attacker ( we don't know that for sure yet either), that could rule out going willingly. If an attacker gets a person secluded easily they have a better chance of overcoming the victim without much of a fight. Especially a child.

You can't just talk to kids about safty ,if you want to keep your kids safe You have teach them how to fight back.. tai kon do or any Martial Art. Let them practice screaming and kicking so they know what to do. They need the confidence of being able to react in stead of being in shock and not knowing what to do. You have to fight fire with fire

 

[cathdawg]

Bye Friends, must go. BBL

 

[human]

From the link I have up above which has other info as well.

children tend to classify persons as strangers or friends accord-
ing to how often they see them, so a child might believe he or
she “knows” a passing acquaintance and thus be vulnerable to an
abuser.
For a vulnerable child, no place is safe from sexual abuse.
Although Shakeshaft said there’s little data on the careers abusers
are likely to choose or the sites where abuse most often occurs,
the experts agreed that it’s irrelevant: Perpetrators make it their
business to find children, wherever they are.
“Individuals who are going to prey on children are going
to put themselves in situations where they have access to children.
That could be anything [from] volunteering [to] sports programs,”
said Gilmer-Tullis. She believes parents too often worry about
their children’s safety on the playground, but aren’t concerned
enough about other situations.
Perpetrators of sexual abuse, most of whom are male,
speak a language that vulnerable children often want to hear.
Gilmer-Tullis recalled instances in which predators acted appalled
at a parent’s limits on a child, telling the child, “But you’re so
mature.” Abusers also build trust by claiming to understand the
child better than anyone else, and flatter their victims with com-
pliments.

 

[ccane]

From the link I have up above which has other info as well.

children tend to classify persons as strangers or friends accord-
ing to how often they see them, so a child might believe he or
she “knows” a passing acquaintance and thus be vulnerable to an
abuser.
For a vulnerable child, no place is safe from sexual abuse.
Although Shakeshaft said there’s little data on the careers abusers
are likely to choose or the sites where abuse most often occurs,
the experts agreed that it’s irrelevant: Perpetrators make it their
business to find children, wherever they are.
“Individuals who are going to prey on children are going
to put themselves in situations where they have access to children.
That could be anything [from] volunteering [to] sports programs,”
said Gilmer-Tullis. She believes parents too often worry about
their children’s safety on the playground, but aren’t concerned
enough about other situations.
Perpetrators of sexual abuse, most of whom are male,
speak a language that vulnerable children often want to hear.
Gilmer-Tullis recalled instances in which predators acted appalled
at a parent’s limits on a child, telling the child, “But you’re so
mature.” Abusers also build trust by claiming to understand the
child better than anyone else, and flatter their victims with com-
pliments.

And they go after the shy kids who wont talk most of the time..