FL - Somer Thompson, 7, Orange Park, 19 Oct 2009 #26

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BBM

I can, but it probably didn't happen that way. What if she climbed into a dumpster and hid from her siblings like she supposedly hid behind the big tanks and someone not knowing she was in there dumped a load of heavy material in there on top of her and some of it hit her on the head and killed her? She could still have ended up in the landfill that way.

I know it's far fetched and I don't think it happened, but just saying "found in a landfill" would not necessarily have meant it was a homicide like "found in a shallow grave" would.

Far fetched is an understatement. Somer was murdered and intentionally at that. She was targeted and this wasn't random at the very least.

 

[sadnpod]

Ive had a problem with this from the beginning. The video I have seen and cant find, showed big (bigger than garage trucks) going into the landfill. When I called rosemary hill I was told by an employee that Somers body was not with the construction garbage, but the residential. Garbage trucks pick up in OP go pick up in GCS and all end up in the transfer building in rosemary hill. All trash is moved mechanically from trucks to transfer building. Then moved mechanically from transfer building to semi trucks and then moved again mechanically to chesser landfill. These semi trucks were what I saw goin into the landfill. Rosemary hill employee also told me that they have two transfer buildings, one for residential and one for construction. She told me the one for residential was the one searched by LE AFTER they found somers body. IF all of this is true, then somers body could have come from residential trash from OP or GCS. LE then searched each truck's contents as it was mechanically moved from truck to dump. This tells me that we do not know if somers body was actually disposed of in OP, or even from her neighborhood. Does anyone else feel this way or do I have the scenario all wrong? I cant find the video.. and help in that would make my day!

 

[Lipin One]

copied from the above document



Killers' Occupations
Construction Worker
28%
Truck Driver
8%
Food Industry Worker
8%
Student
7%
Service Industry
5%
Auto Maintenance
4%

You forgot the non-employed people. 40%?

Like transients (hobos) or welfare people, or those who live for free with a relative, or an older person who is on SS, Veterans benefits, etc...

 

[Dee10]

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BBM

I can, but it probably didn't happen that way. What if she climbed into a dumpster and hid from her siblings like she supposedly hid behind the big tanks and someone not knowing she was in there dumped a load of heavy material in there on top of her and some of it hit her on the head and killed her? She could still have ended up in the landfill that way.

I know it's far fetched and I don't think it happened, but just saying "found in a landfill" would not necessarily have meant it was a homicide like "found in a shallow grave" would.

You're right however, we don't know where the dumpster in question was located. If it say, a couples miles away, that would automatically indicate homicide. We saw on video the dumpster at Gano was almost full and perhaps it was emptied Tuesday and refilled, we just have no way of knowing unfortunately.

 

[sadnpod]

Blackberry was funny (thanks!)
If somer took the shortcut beside the park, this is after 1080 and right about where the dogs lost her scent approximately right after the 1100 house, also, if she went this way then she would have missed the crossing guards, and could have made it home (IF she did) 15-20 minutes before the other kids.

(Bolded by Me, but not on Blackberry. lol)

So, since the house numbers get larger the farther one gets from the school, Somer caught up with her siblings soon after passing the 1080 Gano house that was searched.

Perhaps she told the workers they were doing a good job and then left and caught up with ST and AT. I had always pictured it as being after she had left ST and AT, not before. Especially, since we have heard over and over that Kyle may have been the last person to see Somer.


The imfamous 1080 house is only the third house from the corner of Grove Park Dr. and Gano. This is also the 2nd crossing guard's station. He says he does not think he saw Somer. In fact, he said he did not think it was odd that he had not seen her with ST & AT. They would have had to fight very quickly to part them in beween 1080 and the corner of Grove Park & Gano. If Somer ran ahead, and disappeared into a large crowd of children - or a crowd of big children, perhaps he really did not see her.

When did the little boy see her at the tanks? Those were a ways before the Gano house. Would Somer have back-tracked? If not, the boy could have seen Somer running to catch up with AT & ST.

Just a note: On google earth, the gentleman crossing guard has a motorcycle parked on the sidewalk near the corner. I'm assuming it is his. Someone at one time mentioned a motorcycle.??? Sorry - digression.

However, I think Somer made it past the crossing guard at Grove Park & Gano, and then something happened after that.

Direction 1 - She crossed Gano and turned right at the corner of Grove Park Dr. without noticing ...... kind of going along with the crowd she had disappeared into. (The street of Grove Park Dr here has a jog or jag, if you will. Kids must cross Gano, walk on the far side of Gano for several hundred feet and then turn right at the continuation of Grove Park Dr.)

Direction 2 - She crossed Gano with the other kids, but did not turn right on Grove Park Drive, but continued to walk down Gano on the side of the street with no sidewalk - with, rather than against traffic.

Direction 3 - She crossed Grove Park Drive, but not Gano, staying on the side-walk side of the street and heading on toward Debarry and the 3rd crossing station as is the usual route. Again, a large group of kids (or a group of large kids) could have hidden her from the view of the crossing guard at Gano and Grove Park Drive.

Direction 4 - She turned left on Grove Park Drive along with other children, not crossing either street with the crossing guard. Why left, when it would not even remotely be toward home? I cannot even guess.

In all four of these scenarios, Somer is well past the tank and OPAA and into one of several neighborhoods.

Can someone or more than one, go on google maps and take this journey and see what I mean? It takes me in a whole different sleuthing direction. Thanks.


If this has been posted ...... I do apologize. I have read for hours trying not to repeat, but there is alot from the first couple of weeks I have never read all the way through.

 

[VirginiaTwo]

On the google maps, the street numbers are "approximate." IMO they are just plain off. The 1080 Gano house has a three digit number beginning with 9. I'm thinking that perhaps the 1100 block of Gano is just before, at, or after it crosses Grove Park Dr. I could be as googled as google. Feel free to prove me wrong. lol

Remember that little jog or jag where Grover Park Dr. does not go straight through as it crosses Gano? Well, there is a house there, with a long white van. FWIW.

Have more traveling to do. Looking for dumpsters and or large rolling trash recepticles. In New Mexico we had these HUGE trash containers with wheels that you tip and roll out to the street. I could fit in one! and I'm a tall lady. A small child could definitely be hidden in one. Does Florida have those?

 

[sadnpod]

This case has more inconsistencies that any other I have ever read. Stories of where she was last seen and by who change (Kyle, McK*****). Where and with whom she had a squabble. Where she met up with sibs. Who was there to greet kids when they got home. What she had in her hair, her clothing, her bookbag, lunch box. Its like LE is trying to mislead with all the contradiction in the stories they do tell the public. Or is it LE? Arent they very much like dr's in that alot of what they tell in the beginning comes from what they have been told, just like the doc relies on what you say to make a prognosis. I thought and still do that the bookbag description keeps changing because the one described initially was found to be at home, so by deduction they decide that it must have been this one. This one, that no matter how much searching is done, we cannot find another like it anywhere. Strange to me. I looked at several of my gkids bags and tried to find them online just based on the description and i had no problem finding others just like them, and some of these came from older kids leftovers from yrs ago. The only reason I can see that we cannot find anything close to these is that they are ficticious descriptions. Anyone agree with that or am I reading too much into it?

 

[Lipin One]

I thought it was weird that any adult would tell a kid that her friend isn't going to be around tomorrow unless she "tells what she knows."

This news item came out on 10/20 and updated 10/21 at around 10:00am, AFAIK, before Somer was found.

He says they got to talk to his niece, and seems to be when the police was looking for information. Hadn't they talked to her before? Everyone in the neighborhood must've known that Somer was missing, specially since they lived so close in Arbor Circle.

That comment quoted makes you wonder why he was talking in the past tense, and what really rattles my hinky meter is that he says it was a "fifty fifty" chance of being Somer or his niece. This implies TWO people walking together, and having a same kind of odds of being kidnapped.

I know he was talking figuratively but why say that, "fifty fifty" when there were other children walking together?

Anyway, no real evidence, so just leaving him on the backburner for now.

 

[VirginiaTwo]

Blackberry was funny (thanks!)
If somer took the shortcut beside the park, this is after 1080 and right about where the dogs lost her scent approximately right after the 1100 house, also, if she went this way then she would have missed the crossing guards, and could have made it home (IF she did) 15-20 minutes before the other kids.

BBM

Oh. I thought the dogs lost her scent at Debarry and Gano. Where is the short cut beside the park exactly? Please can you help a short-cut challenged ws out here? lol I feel dyslexic trying to follow short cuts from out west. Where I live, we don't have ponds, and woods, and paths everywhere in residential areas. Everything is pretty much bought, packaged and built, walled, and paved - back to back, edge to edge, corner to corner. KWIM? TIA

Yes!!! Making it home in the first place, and before the other kids, is a part of a new theory I'm working on. I have to get my thoughts together. But it makes more sense than anything I have thought so far.

 

[Chili Fries]

The Sheriff said on AMW that her last known location was at 1080 Gano. I believe AMW was the most recent public comment by LE.

 

[sorrell skye]

This case has more inconsistencies that any other I have ever read. Stories of where she was last seen and by who change (Kyle, McK*****). Where and with whom she had a squabble. Where she met up with sibs. Who was there to greet kids when they got home. What she had in her hair, her clothing, her bookbag, lunch box. Its like LE is trying to mislead with all the contradiction in the stories they do tell the public. Or is it LE? Arent they very much like dr's in that alot of what they tell in the beginning comes from what they have been told, just like the doc relies on what you say to make a prognosis. I thought and still do that the bookbag description keeps changing because the one described initially was found to be at home, so by deduction they decide that it must have been this one. This one, that no matter how much searching is done, we cannot find another like it anywhere. Strange to me. I looked at several of my gkids bags and tried to find them online just based on the description and i had no problem finding others just like them, and some of these came from older kids leftovers from yrs ago. The only reason I can see that we cannot find anything close to these is that they are ficticious descriptions. Anyone agree with that or am I reading too much into it?

BBM

Sorry to quote the entire post, since I'm only responding to one portion of it!

Yes - I agree, and posted those same suspicions several threads ago. I don't believe the tote bag, as described, exists. Sleuthers here can find just about ANYTHING - but have not been able to locate those items anywhere.

Which leads me to believe they have been pulled out of thin air. Of course, there is the possibility I'm entirely wrong.

 

[sadnpod]

BBM

Oh. I thought the dogs lost her scent at Debarry and Gano. Where is the short cut beside the park exactly? Please can you help a short-cut userchallenged ws out here? lol I feel dyslexic trying to follow short cuts from out west. Where I live, we don't have ponds, and woods, and paths everywhere in residential areas. Everything is pretty much bought, packaged and built, walled, and paved - back to back, edge to edge, corner to corner. KWIM? TIA

Yes!!! Making it home in the first place, and before the other kids, is a part of a new theory I'm working on. I have to get my thoughts together. But it makes more sense than anything I have thought so far.

http://firstcoast.momslikeme.com/members/JournalActions.aspx?g=445337&m=8092487&source=stream_user

Using the map above. See the pink thing that shows where she is last seen? Coming from school, turn left on gano, the propane tanks are immediately on the left (this is where she was seen frowning) right after that is Fromhart st on right. If u turn down this street, skate park is on rt and park is on left, the shortcut can be taken from this direction and go behind the park, or continue down gano, pass 1080 right about where that pink thing is is the other side of the fence around the park, you can go beside this fence and cut through this way too, to the same shortcut behind the park. It comes out through an open gate at the end on Grove Park, right by willow lane. From there you can turn right and take pecan (altho it looks like you cant) to the left to somers house or briarwood and back track less than a block to her house. I also never understood why LE insisted there were no shortcuts, Ive driven it, walked it, and neighbors said kids use it all the time. It was a worn path, with evidence of kids/teenagers hanging there. Im not so good at this. I hope this helps.

 

[sadnpod]

The Sheriff said on AMW that her last known location was at 1080 Gano. I believe AMW was the most recent public comment by LE.

No reflection on you, but I thought this whole show was just hot air. AMW is after ratings and John Walsh's take on the whole serial murderer who has resurfaced was bogus IMO. The time frame of the 4 missing girls was off by a decade IIRC. Seemed like just another way to have 15 mins and was worthless as far as a "news" story.

 

[VirginiaTwo]

http://firstcoast.momslikeme.com/members/JournalActions.aspx?g=445337&m=8092487&source=stream_user

Using the map above. See the pink thing that shows where she is last seen? Coming from school, turn left on gano, the propane tanks are immediately on the left (this is where she was seen frowning) right after that is Fromhart st on right. If u turn down this street, skate park is on rt and park is on left, the shortcut can be taken from this direction and go behind the park, or continue down gano, pass 1080 right about where that pink thing is is the other side of the fence around the park, you can go beside this fence and cut through this way too, to the same shortcut behind the park. It comes out through an open gate at the end on Grove Park, right by willow lane. From there you can turn right and take pecan (altho it looks like you cant) to the left to somers house or briarwood and back track less than a block to her house. I also never understood why LE insisted there were no shortcuts, Ive driven it, walked it, and neighbors said kids use it all the time. It was a worn path, with evidence of kids/teenagers hanging there. Im not so good at this. I hope this helps.

Yes, definitely. Thank you!

 

[paris_paris]

I am disturbed about this "uncle's" comments (made before Somer was even found).

Did I read that she often walks home with this other child? The other child's home on Arbor Circle backs right onto Debarry and there is a gate at the back of the yard with access to Debarry..

What if Somer fought with this child, then fought with her siblings, then stopped in at Gano, then went to the other child's house to apologize (or argue some more).

I don't like this uncle at all, and I can't find much on him (but I'm still looking).

Edit: Something else that bothers me... he explained to little McKenzie that when she's walking home, she's to walk and only accept a ride from him or her mother. So, little McKenzie is still walking home alone every day? wow

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[VirginiaTwo]

This case has more inconsistencies that any other I have ever read. Stories of where she was last seen and by who change (Kyle, McK*****). Where and with whom she had a squabble. Where she met up with sibs. Who was there to greet kids when they got home. What she had in her hair, her clothing, her bookbag, lunch box. Its like LE is trying to mislead with all the contradiction in the stories they do tell the public. Or is it LE? Arent they very much like dr's in that alot of what they tell in the beginning comes from what they have been told, just like the doc relies on what you say to make a prognosis. I thought and still do that the bookbag description keeps changing because the one described initially was found to be at home, so by deduction they decide that it must have been this one. This one, that no matter how much searching is done, we cannot find another like it anywhere. Strange to me. I looked at several of my gkids bags and tried to find them online just based on the description and i had no problem finding others just like them, and some of these came from older kids leftovers from yrs ago. The only reason I can see that we cannot find anything close to these is that they are ficticious descriptions. Anyone agree with that or am I reading too much into it?

BoldedByMe :angel:

I agree with you Sadnpod. The only thing I differ in are the bags. I have about 35 years experience in sewing, crafting, and making all sorts of useful and not so useful things. lol I have made backpacks, totes, purses, and all sorts of things. I sew, weave, stencil, applique, embroider, alter, crochet, and more. I sluethed for the stencil patterns from the book bag and found them on the Internet. I also found solid bags with black hands. A good crafter can remove the handles, dye then dry the bag, stencil the designs, and re-attach the handles. No big deal really. Sounds fun. The things I did not look for, I know from recent experience that they are available.

IMO a crafter could have made this bag to sell, or for a gift. It could have been bought for Somer or handed down to her. If it were made specifically for one person, it may be a one of a kind. That is one of the beauties of making things rather than buying them.

The Piggy lunch box looks sooooo easy to make, that I did not even look for the materials. I know they exist, as I have used things like them.

I'm just saying, thousands of people craft things by hand all over the country. Not everything is bought or sold in the main marketplace. JMEO.

Other than those two pink bags, I'm right there with you, item for item. :waitasec:

 

[sadnpod]

I am disturbed about this "uncle's" comments (made before Somer was even found).

Did I read that she often walks home with this other child? The other child's home on Arbor Circle backs right onto Debarry and there is a gate at the back of the yard with access to Debarry. Somebody said there is a long white van in the driveway, but that's not correct. Her house is the one beside that, with the red truck in the carport and an old white car on the other side of the house.

What if Somer fought with this child, then fought with her siblings, then stopped in at Gano, then went to the other child's house to apologize (or argue some more).

I don't like this uncle at all, and I can't find much on him (but I'm still looking).

Edit: Something else that bothers me... he explained to little McKenzie that when she's walking home, she's to walk and only accept a ride from him or her mother. So, little McKenzie is still walking home alone every day? wow.

BBM

And, Dear "uncle" lets put it out there so the whole world knows it? WTH? yes, Paris.... WOW

 

[chicagofa13]

4mer, I want those people who never post to give me tips on self-control. How they can hold back, I do not understand.

I was reading this last night, on my blackberry, in bed, in "PDA mode" (which is hard to read KWIM)...

I'm a lurker because there is NO WAY I could keep up, but I keep checking back to see what is going on! And believe me, this is the hardest thread to follow. The initials are overwhelming. :banghead: I just try to make sense of it all.

I've missed most of the DT/ST opinions, but I have my own. I'll keep it to myself. Right now I lean towards the killer being someone Somer knew, and I am still suspicious of the whole afternoon and the babysitting arrangements.

Anyway, that's why I am able to read and not post. I'm not up to anything else, certainly not a spy!

 

[Chili Fries]

No reflection on you, but I thought this whole show was just hot air. AMW is after ratings and John Walsh's take on the whole serial murderer who has resurfaced was bogus IMO. The time frame of the 4 missing girls was off by a decade IIRC. Seemed like just another way to have 15 mins and was worthless as far as a "news" story.

I can't disagree with you about AMW and it does seem like the missing children cases Walsh was referencing were from the 1970's and not the 1980's. But, if I remember right, the Sheriff did specifically say that the last time she was seen was at the Gano house when she walked around the inside of the fence. Please correct me if I'm wrong, I don't have the episode on my DVR anymore and the AMW site only has an "extended" interview with Sheriff Beseler that's all of 26 seconds long.

Also, is the shortcut behind the park you are talking about along the stream?

And we may not be able to find the bookbag since it's an artist's rendition and may be based on a faulty recollection by Diena.

 

[Utta Waye]

Based on statistics, I think a 27 year old who lives with parents and is unemployed or has one of the jobs such as construction and is a prior felon is a good start for the perp. One that moves around a lot.

CWG sure fits, for me.

BBM

So, based on previous sleuthing by SharetheLight and paris_paris:

[ame="http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4482227&postcount=89"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased FL - Somer Renee Thompson, 7, Orange Park, Thread # 23[/ame]


Way back in 1990, a couple of horny teenagers in love in Texas, where the age of consent is 17, didn't practice birth control very well. She was age 15 or 16, and he was 17, an age difference of less than 3 years. They were apparently married in September 1990 (lasted 10 months) and they had a child. He was charged with Sexual Assault in 1992, believed to be related to this relationship. AFAIK, no evidence to the contrary has been discovered. For this "crime", he is required to register as a SO for the rest of his life. His ONLY apparent offenses since that time appear to be related to his failure to register his changes of address. There is no indication at all that he has committed any similar offenses.

Now, nearly 20 years later, his name is bandied about as a POI in the murder of a 7 year old girl - all because of a mistake he and his girlfriend made when he was 17.

Something is wrong with this picture. Really! Based on the nature of his crime, I just don't see how he would even be seriously considered. These "Romeo and Juliet" offenses just overload the system. JMO

Please note that I do not believe the same about WLK. As an adult, he has been convicted of real crime(s?) against a child. Unlike CWG, he deserves to be an RSO. MOO again.