FL - Somer Thompson, 7, Orange Park, 19 Oct 2009 #29

[Chili Fries]

If it's true that police officers patrol the vicinity of the school every day when the kids are going to & from school, IMO someone would have to be either extremely reckless to snatch a kid off the street with cops in the area, or unaware that there are police driving up & down the streets @ that time, or it was someone Somer knew & would willingly go with.

Even with all that here are still a lot of nooks and crannies along the route that Somer could have wandered into and been abducted or attacked by someone who happened to notice her vulnerability. The back corner of the park, the woods, the area around the storage sheds, etc...even in someone's backyard.

 

[human]

Even with all that here are still a lot of nooks and crannies along the route that Somer could have wandered into and been abducted or attacked by someone who happened to notice her vulnerability. The back corner of the park, the woods, the area around the storage sheds, etc...even in someone's backyard.

I'm a Gano house person as it seems the most logical. But with her personality and situation, she could have gone anywhere and no one might notice. Like someone's backyard. And if someone is interested in bad things, they certainly would have noticed this child's vulnerability.

 

[sadnpod]

You read my mind!! That occurred to me last night on the way home from work, after I checked the big 3 USA Companies and a few more. No one seems to offer yellow anymore. I think it could very well be that kind of car, more than likely used but well maintained. Good job Sad!! Now could you kindly find it?:crazy:

I am surely gonna do my best. But if it was mine... I would have sold it by now... then again maybe not... so no harm in looking.. right?

 

[human]

I am surely gonna do my best. But if it was mine... I would have sold it by now... then again maybe not... so no harm in looking.. right?

Is the 1985 Dodge 600 like the car you saw, Infinity?

 

[sadnpod]

How could he be "picked up" and "still down there looking" is what I don't get.
He obviously wasn't with her or he would have been asked to give a statement for the MPR and never was.

AC could have gone to the park everyday after school, maybe sports or the skate park.. this could have been his routine and DT knew it.

 

[sorrell skye]

Tara, I too spent a good portion of the day trying to find the comment about AB not having room in the car but with the clue of morning show, I'm venturing back to the video pit.

Oh no - we may never see you again! Do you realize how dangerous it is to venture into that video pit? It's worse than the FB pit. If we don't hear back from you in 30 minutes, we're sending out a search party! You might want to leave a trail of breadcrumbs, or sugar cookie crumbs...

 

[Cheewawa007]

I've been meditating about this walking to and from school situation and all of the conflicting reports.

I'll probably get flamed on my comments, but oh well.

These children were 2 seven year olds and a 10 year old. Apparently, the 7 year olds were in first grade. That is really, really young. Really young.

These are not adults that have varied schedules because their jobs have variation in them, due to circumstances, like my job is. It would be hard to predict my day, but yet I do have some parameters that I try to stay within.

Apparently, these young children had no parameters. It's not predictable who would pick them up. It's not predictable how they are supposed to walk home. It's not predictable when they should be home by. It appears that no adult had a clue about the schedule of these children and who is responsible for them. Not one story meshes with the next about little ST and her life, except that she was overly friendly.

That is the only consistent thing. Do any of you out there think that you wouldn't have a clue about what your 7 year old child is up to, and how she gets home from school?

What did little ST do all summer? Was she making new friendships? Seriously, this is so bizarre to me. She hates the outdoors, yet she loves pools and tree houses. She is out wandering the neighborhood. She is at others homes, and it sounds like it wasn't always welcome. She loves riding her scooter.

It sounds like the children were in charge of their own lives.

Who's to say the babysitter knew for a fact that summer liked pools & tree houses. It might have been from a conversation she had at one time asking Somer what were her favorite things. She had a pool in her own backyard. She was only 7 yrs old... kids that age change their "likes" as often as they change their underwear - kwim? In regards to the manner in which the kids returned home from school, I'm sure it varied based on that little thing we all call life. Possibly they would normally walk home from school. However, if someone could pick them up, then they would; inclement weather, etc... When my child was young, he liked to play inside the house; as long as he had someone to play with. If not, he would scour the neighborhood looking for someone who could play. Many times he would call me & ask if he could stay at a neighbors house because his little friend couldn't come over & play at our house for what ever reason. This doesn't mean he was roaming the streets, or maybe you could say that... he was roaming looking for one of his friends that could play. Does that mean I was a lousy mother? Should I have gone with him, holding his hand, knocking on the neighbors doors asking if their child could play with mine? I'd call that a little over the top. Sorry; just can't go down the road of the kids in charge of their own lives. I love ya like a sista human, but I had to say what I had to say.

 

[txsvicki]

"I'm shocked that this could happen in this type of community," Somer's maternal great-grandmother, Marie Spires of New Richmond, Ohio, said Saturday. "And that no one would see or hear anything."

An autopsy has been completed and investigators know how Somer died, but authorities won't disclose their findings or any details about the body.

Spires said she doesn't know how the little girl died.

Family and friends described Somer as a friendly little girl who rode her scooter around the neighborhood.

"She never met a stranger. She was very friendly," said Robert O'Cain, a neighbor. "She was always looking for other kids to play with."

Tina Justyna said her daughter, 11, would often go to the library with Somer at school — and the pair would look at books about kittens and puppies. Her daughter is devastated that Somer is gone, she said.

"I don't let her watch the news," Justyna said. "She lost one of the few friends she had."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,569515,00.html

Two things from this news report:

1) The name of Somer's great-grandma - M. Spires. (was someone asking about that yesterday...)

2) I didn't realize Somer was one of TJ's daughter's only friends (as per TJ).....

I'm a few pages behind here, but this comment about Somer being only one of a few friends to an eleven year old is sad and might be telling since there is a 4 year age difference. This comment makes me think that the school's older children are either extremely stuck up or that they are rough and this girl doesn't want to be friends. Either way, it's not a good situation because something is wrong somewhere for an elementary age kid to hardly have any friends at school.

 

[ccane]

Noway
here is when TES was coming if you did not already find this

[ame="http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4318276&postcount=229"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased FL-Somer Renee Thompson, 7, Orange Park THREAD #2[/ame]

 

[human]

Who's to say the babysitter knew for a fact that summer liked pools & tree houses. It might have been from a conversation she had at one time asking Somer what were her favorite things. She had a pool in her own backyard. She was only 7 yrs old... kids that age change their "likes" as often as they change their underwear - kwim? In regards to the manner in which the kids returned home from school, I'm sure it varied based on that little thing we all call life. Possibly they would normally walk home from school. However, if someone could pick them up, then they would; inclement weather, etc... When my child was young, he liked to play inside the house; as long as he had someone to play with. If not, he would scour the neighborhood looking for someone who could play. Many times he would call me & ask if he could stay at a neighbors house because his little friend couldn't come over & play at our house for what ever reason. This doesn't mean he was roaming the streets, or maybe you could say that... he was roaming looking for one of his friends that could play. Does that mean I was a lousy mother? Should I have gone with him, holding his hand, knocking on the neighbors doors asking if their child could play with mine? I'd call that a little over the top. Sorry; just can't go down the road of the kids in charge of their own lives. I love ya like a sista human, but I had to say what I had to say.

Likes-either she likes the outdoors or she doesn't. She
s outside or she's inside. Which is it?

Chee-I bet you knew where your son was and I bet you knew how he was getting home after school. I bet you didn't leave it to chance.

 

[ccane]

Noway here the video on wednesday moring where they say LE supended the overnight searches last night (ref toTusday night)

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video...r+Somer+Resumes+Wednesday+Morning/49318320001

 

[sadnpod]

If anyone has the link that says AB didn't have room in the car, let me know.

I found the section it was talked about but not the source. Around page 14 here:

Found Deceased FL - Somer Renee Thompson, 7, Orange Park, Thread # 25 - Page 14 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

IIRC, I think I was the one that posted it, and it was a rumor.. I just asked ST and he said if he remembers correctlyhe doesnt remember why, but giving somer and lil st a ride would have meant that AT would have to walk home alone.

 

[human]

Noway here the video on wednesday moring where they say LE supended the overnight searches last night (ref toTusday night)

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video...r+Somer+Resumes+Wednesday+Morning/49318320001

I'm sorry that I don't remember, but were you one of the people that felt she was found earlier than the Weds that LE said?

 

[tarabull]

I thought of a weird scenario which most likely didn't happen. AB said she didn't have room in the car. Perhaps someone else picked them up like ST jr went with his friend and AT went with AB and Somer was left alone to walk by herself. If she in fact caught up with them a block later that doesn't sound right to me. I don't think they were ever all three together to begin with. I don't believe there was ever a fight etc.

After spending time in the video pit, one thing I'm sure of - there was a fight:
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Oct 21: http://abcnews.go.com/WN/childs-body-found-dump-somer-thompson-vanished/story?id=8883485

[snipped...] She had been walking with her two siblings, including a twin brother, and friend when she got into an argument with another child. Somer walked ahead of the group and was never seen again.

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Oct 21: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2309863/somer_thompson_missing_mother_on_today.html?cat=62

[snipped...] Somer Thompson went missing around 3 p.m. Monday afternoon when she was walking home from school. She, her twin brother, her 10-year-old sister and several friends were headed home when Somer and a friend got into a small argument. When Somer's older sister told her to "quit fighting," Somer reportedly got angry and ran ahead of the group. But when everyone got home, Somer had not yet arrived.

Diena Thompson was informed by text message at her work that her child was missing. She immediately left and, chancing upon a police vehicle, flagged it down. The search for Somer Thompson began almost immediately.
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Oct 21: http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/mother-missing-florida-girl-somer-thompson-begs-return/story?id=8877337

[snipped...] Holding a picture of her daughter, Thompson told "Good Morning America" that her family, especially Somer's twin brother, are devastated.

"We just don't know what to do without her," she said.

Somer vanished Monday while on her way home from school with her twin and 10-year-old sister. She had argued with the two other children, Thompson said, and ran ahead of them, far enough that they lost sight of her.
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Oct 23: http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/10/22/georgia.landfill.body/index.html

[snipped...] Somer became separated from her siblings and schoolmates on her way home from school in Orange Park, Florida, on Monday.

She was seen in a fight at school before she disappeared, according to a police report released Thursday. Her 10-year-old sister told police that Somer had gotten into a fight with another girl at school earlier in the day.

The sister said she brought up the fight while she and her brother walked Somer home from school, and that Somer ran off from them, apparently upset. The sister said she lost sight of Somer in a group of other kids leaving the school, according to the police report.

When the other children got home and she wasn't there, they dropped their backpacks and went out looking for her.
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Oct 23: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,569245,00.html?test=latestnews

[snipped...]Authorities say Somer squabbled with another child Monday and then walked ahead of the group of kids and was never seen again.

Justino said Friday that the argument was verbal and began at school.

"Somer became agitated by that," she said.

 

[Noway]

Noway
here is when TES was coming if you did not already find this

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased FL-Somer Renee Thompson, 7, Orange Park THREAD #2

Thank you. I had found various things about TES, including one story that said that Equusearch had arrived Wednesday afternoon. That made sense of the statements from Tim Miller (alleged or otherwise) that he was there when Somer was found and he wasn't really needed ...

 

[pinamia]

After spending time in the video pit, one thing I'm sure of - there was a fight:
_______________________________________

Oct 21: http://abcnews.go.com/WN/childs-body-found-dump-somer-thompson-vanished/story?id=8883485

[snipped...] She had been walking with her two siblings, including a twin brother, and friend when she got into an argument with another child. Somer walked ahead of the group and was never seen again.

_______________________________________

Oct 21: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2309863/somer_thompson_missing_mother_on_today.html?cat=62

[snipped...] Somer Thompson went missing around 3 p.m. Monday afternoon when she was walking home from school. She, her twin brother, her 10-year-old sister and several friends were headed home when Somer and a friend got into a small argument. When Somer's older sister told her to "quit fighting," Somer reportedly got angry and ran ahead of the group. But when everyone got home, Somer had not yet arrived.

Diena Thompson was informed by text message at her work that her child was missing. She immediately left and, chancing upon a police vehicle, flagged it down. The search for Somer Thompson began almost immediately.
_______________________________________

Oct 21: http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/mother-missing-florida-girl-somer-thompson-begs-return/story?id=8877337

[snipped...] Holding a picture of her daughter, Thompson told "Good Morning America" that her family, especially Somer's twin brother, are devastated.

"We just don't know what to do without her," she said.

Somer vanished Monday while on her way home from school with her twin and 10-year-old sister. She had argued with the two other children, Thompson said, and ran ahead of them, far enough that they lost sight of her.
_______________________________________

Oct 23: http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/10/22/georgia.landfill.body/index.html

[snipped...] Somer became separated from her siblings and schoolmates on her way home from school in Orange Park, Florida, on Monday.

She was seen in a fight at school before she disappeared, according to a police report released Thursday. Her 10-year-old sister told police that Somer had gotten into a fight with another girl at school earlier in the day.

The sister said she brought up the fight while she and her brother walked Somer home from school, and that Somer ran off from them, apparently upset. The sister said she lost sight of Somer in a group of other kids leaving the school, according to the police report.

When the other children got home and she wasn't there, they dropped their backpacks and went out looking for her.
_______________________________________

Oct 23: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,569245,00.html?test=latestnews

[snipped...]Authorities say Somer squabbled with another child Monday and then walked ahead of the group of kids and was never seen again.

Justino said Friday that the argument was verbal and began at school.

"Somer became agitated by that," she said.

That's what DT believes and what AT said. I personally believe it's not true. It's just my gut feeling. The story has changed several times. The complete police report is full of inconsistencies and errors.

I think AT let Somer alone. If she left after them, she wouldn't have caught up like AT says. They just left without her. That happened the other day with my friend's 14 year old. Her brother, 16, left without her.

 

[Noway]

Facts I, Part 1

Because I was running into issues with surpassing the number of characters in this post, I'm going to divide into Facts I (Somer, Diena, Samuel, Sean, C. Perry) and Facts II (Gano House, Law Enforcement, Other People, Garbage, RSOs, Unrelated) and the Part number will change as we go.

Please do not quote whole post. Bring a correction or addition to my attention with copy/paste.

Credit goes to many WS members. These are facts as reported by media and/or from the MPR. Links to source where available.



SOMER
· Somer Thompson was 7 when she disappeared on October 19.
· Somer was wearing a cranberry jump suit (sweat suit) with a matching top to the bottom and pink satin stripes down the sides of arms and legs, and a black shirt underneath and blue and gray socks and rainbow tennis shoes. (Diena Thompson Addresses the Media)
· Somer and her siblings got ride to school in the morning and walked in the afternoon with 50-70 kids See Diena Thompson Addresses The Media.
· Somer was born April 5, 2002.
· Somer did not wander off according to her mom in video Diena Thompson Addresses The Media.
· Somer routinely wandered around and nobody knew where she was, according to a babysitter.
· Somer had run off unattended. MR said running off unattended wasn't anything new for Somer. R., 17, said she baby-sat Somer and her two siblings for a little more than a month this year. ... She said the 7-year-old is headstrong and often jumped ahead of her brother and sister on the way back from school and made her way back by herself. These trips usually took anywhere from 20 minutes to an hour, and she said Diena Thompson had a list of phone numbers for the parents of Somer's friends in case she was gone for too long.
· Somer wore a red ribbon in her ponytail on October 19.
· Somer was driven to school on October 19 by AB (neighbor), who said it was a normal morning and Somer was her usual self.
· Somer went to school (GPE) and left school at regular time (2:32 p.m.).
· Somer was released from school at 2:50 p.m. Source
· Somer initially started walking with her friend M. “Minutes before she was walking with this little girl. I mean, yea it's definitely sunk in...It gives me goose bumps...thinking it could have been fifty-fifty, I mean, just like that,” said GC.
· Somer caught up with AT and ST (twin) in the 1100 block of Gano. Source
· AT brought up spat with M., and Somer ran ahead to walk alone.
· An AMBER Alert was issued on Tuesday morning. It does not mention the book bag or lunchbox, but mentions her possibly wearing white hat and scarf. JPG of AMBER Alert
· Somer lived with her mom Diena, her twin brother ST, her older sister AT and her older brother AC. See Diena Thompson Addresses The Media.
· Somer's body was found at Chesser Island Landfill in Folkston, GA. She was tentatively identified by her clothing and a birthmark.
· Somer's lunchbox and book bag (see sketches as released by LE and shown on AMW) have not been found. Details first reported on AMW November 7. (Previous reports had not mentioned lunchbox; backpack/book bag was described several ways, now believed to be in error, including but not limited to “black book bag”; “pink black and white backpack with skulls, hearts, and crossbones”; “purple HM backpack&#8221

DIENA THOMPSON
· Diena and Samuel Thompson are estranged and in the process of divorcing.
· Diena has a live-in boyfriend (CPC, who goes by P).
· Diena said she had lunch at her home on October 19 with SAP, a family friend.
· Diena asked SAP to wait until the kids got home from school. (from narrative MPR, but what was he to do after that?)
· Dena texts SAP around 4 p.m., asking how the kids were; SAP replied that Somer had not come home with the other kids.
· Diena leaves work early to search for Somer.
· Diena felt something was wrong this time, and this is why she responded quickly to news of Somer not making it home that day.
· Diena calls her boyfriend, CPC aka Perry, at about 4:20 p.m., tells him Somer didn’t come home, and asks him to leave work to help search for her.
· Diena stops at OPAA to pick up oldest son AC.
· Diena flags down D/S A. Coan at the corner of Floyd Circle West and Gano, and reports Somer missing.
· Diena says that ST (twin) lagged behind to talk to a friend. (watch video that page too)."I know that ST had lagged behind talking to a friend," Diena Thompson told "GMA." "And AT and Somer were together and that -- I'm not sure what happened. Somer got teased a lot. ... She ran ahead, and AT just figured she'd catch up with her. And when she got to the second crossing guard Somer wasn't there.

SAMUEL THOMPSON
· Samuel lives in North Carolina and has not seen Somer in 2 years.
· Samuel came to FL on the Sunday after Somer's disappearance.
· Samuel says soot was found on Somer’s body in NG interview). (Later, he recants that statement through relative on WS because the source of this information, his sister LH, is thought to be unreliable.)

SEAN A. P. (SAP)
· Source unless otherwise noted is [ame="http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4448957&postcount=52"]MPR Narrative[/ame].
· SAP is a close family friend.
· SAP is said to have had lunch with Diena at her house on October 19 (stated by Diena).
· SAP is asked to wait at house until kids come home from school. (not sure what he was to do after they came home).
· SAP had not been asked to do this before. This was his first time.
· SAP asks where Somer is when AT and ST arrived around 3:10 p.m.
· SAP sent AT to look for Somer. When she returned about 15 minutes later without her, SAP told her to look again real good before he called Diena.
· SAP gets text from Diena around 4 p.m. asking how the kids were doing; he texts back that Somer did not come home with the other kids and AT is out looking for her. Diena says she will leave work and come look for Somer.
· SAP changed [ame="http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4322213&postcount=153"]details[/ame] on his indigo healing website.

C. PERRY C.
· CPC is Diena's live-in boyfriend.
· CPC gets call about 4:20 p.m. from Diena who tells him Somer didn’t come home; Diena asks him to leave work to help search for her.
· CPC leaves work and drives to the Horton Drive home; arrives at about 5 p.m.
· CPC picks up ST (twin) at the house about 5 p.m. and goes to search for Somer.

 

[Noway]

Facts II, Part 1


Because I was running into issues with surpassing the number of characters in this post, I'm going to divide into Facts I (Somer, Diena, Samuel, Sean, C. Perry) and Facts II (Gano House, Law Enforcement, Other People, Garbage, RSOs, Unrelated) and the Part number will change as we go.

Please do not quote whole post. Bring a correction or addition to my attention with copy/paste.

Credit goes to many WS members. These are facts as reported by media and/or from the MPR. Links to source where available.

GANO AVENUE HOUSE
· This house caught fire months ago and is being restored.
· Work crews have been at that house.
· VD&B is the contractor working on the house.
· Kyle, who works with the contractor, was there on October 19, and said that Somer came in the yard, told him that he/they were doing a good job on the house, and went back the way she came.
· Kyle is the last person known to see Somer alive.
· There are propane tanks surrounded by a fence about a block the house (toward school).
· J., a minor, was riding his bike home when he saw Somer running around near the tanks and that she he thought she was excited but had a frown on her face.
· OPAA is a park and sporting fields across the street from the house.
· LE searched the house extensively on Thursday and Friday.
· The Gano House was proclaimed a crime scene, as was the search area.

LAW ENFORCEMENT
· LE searched the Gano Avenue house extensively and the men's room at OPAA briefly and came out with a bag.
· An autopsy was performed, and LE knows the cause of death, but that have not released that information.
· Sheriff reports only one person cleared in the investigation into Somer’s death and that is him.
· Investigators made the request / recommendation that Somer's casket be closed.

OTHER PEOPLE
· AB appeared on TV with Sheriff Beseler. Don't want video to play in this post: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/33427923#33427923"]msnbc.com.

· A woman who did not want to be identified told First Coast News that she asked investigators to check the vacant house on Gano Avenue and its dumpster. A woman, who did not want to be identified, tells First Coast News' Monica Landeros she asked investigators to search this vacant home and dumpster on Monday night. She says, "I'm upset. It's like, should I have looked, should I have gone in the dumpster?

· A female neighbor (reportedly Anna Braddy), when questioned about the trash pick-up day, made a comment that the trash had already been collected that day so to take that however you want to (paraphrased). See [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4322499&postcount=253"]post[/ame].

· Houses in the vicinity of the Gano house were searched on Tuesday, October 20. The search literally hit home for schools Superintendent Ben Wortham, who lives about 100 yards from the Gano Drive spot where Somer was last seen. About 2 a.m. Tuesday, his house and many others in the vicinity were “searched from top to bottom,” Wortham said.

GARBAGE
· Bruce Owens, suggests to the sheriff that all trash trucks should be followed and searched so they can isolate the trash coming out of this area, the trash trucks are then followed. (Later reported that Joe Jett gets credit for this.)
· Somer was found dead on October 21 in the Chesser Island Landfill in Folkston, Georgia.
· LE followed the trucks to the Chesser Island Landfill.
· There is at least one video of an interview with Diena that is blacked out-significant portion of interview is missing at the point where DT is recalling something from the day. Because it was raw video and they edited out camera man movement?

RSOs
· There are 161 RSOs that live within 5 miles of Somer’s home.
· CWG’s name and contact info appears on the initial police report (in error as a case of mistaken identity) detailing her disappearance, along with the names of family, neighbors, and others.
· The owner of VD&B has a brother who is an RSO. His name is GCV.
· Since Somer disappeared many RSO’s have been arrested for failing to update their addresses.

UNRELATED BUT YET, RELATED
· What was thought to be an attempted abduction 10 days before Somer's disappearance turned out not to be an attempted abduction and was not related to Somer's disappearance according to LE. Even after LE said there was no connection, reports on blue Nissans poured in to the CCSO.

· A police report in the Clay County Daily indicated that 4 burglary suspects were arrested at the Thompson home. LE later said that the address was in error and gave this explanation: An officer who was at the Thompson home was called to an unrelated burglary call and made the arrest of 4 individuals but when he filed his report, he forgot to change the address. If you check the Clay County Daily for 10/21, you will find the correct information now.

· CWG's name on the MPR was a result of mistaken identity according to LE.

 

[ccane]

I'm sorry that I don't remember, but were you one of the people that felt she was found earlier than the Weds that LE said?

yes that was me

 

[Noway]

Noway here the video on wednesday moring where they say LE supended the overnight searches last night (ref toTusday night)

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video...r+Somer+Resumes+Wednesday+Morning/49318320001

I will watch.

Do they say why they did? I remember at one point (Tuesday morning I think) they were going to figure out how to best use the resource of the large number of volunteers.