FL - Somer Thompson, 7, Orange Park, 19 Oct 2009 #30

[tarabull]

Thanks Tarabull, well we have two conflicting reports just to complicate things even more.

seems to be the only common thread with this case...

 

[Chickadee]

For what it's worth....WLK was sentenced today. His estimated release date is 5/3/2010.

 

[amytlake]

FWIW - I think the reason the sherriff said "she had been searching for 2.5 hours" is he was being somewhat unspecific as to who. In his own timeline he thinks Somer left school at approx 2:30 - DT flagged down officer around 5pm. that's 2.5 hours. he's assuming people have been looking for her "since she went missing" and made the mistake of saying it was DT herself, and not taking into a more accurate timeline that she may have been last seen closer to 3pm. JMO.

Also, in regards to Gano/Debary scent loss. IF the 3rd crossing gaurd is correct and Sommer did not cross at that intersection, how would she have gotten there that afternoon to have the scent lost? Did the dogs lose her scent on the side of the road where the crossing gaurd is (same side of road where house/tanks/sidewalk is) or on the opposite side of Debarry (side of Gano where the park is)? That could make a difference... maybe.. in my own head.

 

[Chickadee]

I'm probably way off the beaten path here (again), but I've been thinking what the Astros said. In the chart it says the person (and a woman) is a stranger and a traveler who may need to refuel their vehicle. Are there any gas stations (that do car repairs) in the area? Don't they all have dumpsters? I know cars/trucks have brake dust. Brake dust is soot.

The Astros may not be right about WLK, but perhaps other things on the chart are correct. IDK?!?!?! Worth thinking about, I suppose.

Here's the chart:
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/SomerGoesMissing126.jpg

 

[sadnpod]

I think they said she ran ahead of them so it would be west down Gano. Noway has the map somewhere. The numbers went down. AT saw her 1100 Gano.

Noway wrote this in November and then at beginning of thread there is the map.

UPDATED MAP ON THREAD INCLUDES CROSSING GUARD AND BOY NEAR PROPANE TANKS

For reference ... bringing forward

Red = where siblings last saw her at Gano and Solomon

Blue = where CS (minor) last saw her at Gano and Grove Park Drive

Green = 1080 Gano


http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj101/NoWay406/89f440ee.jpg

Wow. Something makes sense to me.. grove park is the farthest point from her school. IF she caught up to MC then she would turn here, turn with MC on Arbor, or go straight past gate of shortcut, around to briarwood, you can also cut through across from gate and go through the fence that is now "repaired" to Debarry. There were two places in this fence that looked like you could cut through from arbor to debarry. One looked to be where shortcut came thru (the one that starts in back of the park), but crosses over grove park and ends at debarry, there is an irrigation ditch that would have to be crossed and a way to get thru wood privace fencing. The other place in the fence on debarry looked like it came through where GC's house is, but im not sure, there is another vacant house two doors down (IIRC), so it could have been it. GC's house looks well loved, flowers and such, I doubt they would let there be a hole through the fence in their back yard (but if kids used it.. maybe?) (This is in a pic showing post propping fence back on debarry) (right across debarry from this patch job is more woods with a path) When walking on Gano towards grove park.. Grove park from the left does not directly cross from grove park on the right, its about a half a block further. The crossing guard stands there. If somer turned left with MC, she could have easily missed him. And if she went to place by the irrigation ditch after that, it would be on her way home. We need to know if and where she walked with MC.. straight to her house and cut through the fence.. or pass her street and go on to where? Three obvious choices.. :waitasec: Straight to irrigation ditch where the turtles are, or across from there thru the fence to debarry which puts her house almost right there, or down grove park to Briarwood and back to her house which is not that far either.. but alot further to me if I was walking. All the shortcuts leave her wide open to be abducted/abused whatever without any one seeing, but taking her away would not be so easy. behind the park you can drive a car

 

[sadnpod]

For what it's worth....WLK was sentenced today. His estimated release date is 5/3/2010.

WTF? (sorry) IT SHOULD BE 11/01/2014 at least.

 

[Chickadee]

Can kids be hypnotized? I'm wondering if they were to hypnotize AT...would she be able to recall cars that went past her and ST???

 

[Chili Fries]

Wow. Something makes sense to me.. grove park is the farthest point from her school. IF she caught up to MC then she would turn here, turn with MC on Arbor, or go straight past gate of shortcut, around to briarwood, you can also cut through across from gate and go through the fence that is now "repaired" to Debarry. There were two places in this fence that looked like you could cut through from arbor to debarry. One looked to be where shortcut came thru (the one that starts in back of the park), but crosses over grove park and ends at debarry, there is an irrigation ditch that would have to be crossed and a way to get thru wood privace fencing. The other place in the fence on debarry looked like it came through where GC's house is, but im not sure, there is another vacant house two doors down (IIRC), so it could have been it. GC's house looks well loved, flowers and such, I doubt they would let there be a hole through the fence in their back yard (but if kids used it.. maybe?) (This is in a pic showing post propping fence back on debarry) (right across debarry from this patch job is more woods with a path) When walking on Gano towards grove park.. Grove park from the left does not directly cross from grove park on the right, its about a half a block further. The crossing guard stands there. If somer turned left with MC, she could have easily missed him. And if she went to place by the irrigation ditch after that, it would be on her way home. We need to know if and where she walked with MC.. straight to her house and cut through the fence.. or pass her street and go on to where? Three obvious choices.. :waitasec: Straight to irrigation ditch where the turtles are, or across from there thru the fence to debarry which puts her house almost right there, or down grove park to Briarwood and back to her house which is not that far either.. but alot further to me if I was walking. All the shortcuts leave her wide open to be abducted/abused whatever without any one seeing, but taking her away would not be so easy. behind the park you can drive a car

The fundamental point to me is still the probability that she crossed the street without being seen by the crossing guards. Is traffic light enough after school lets out for her to cross at a place without a crossing guard?

 

[ChickenPants]

Up to an hour, so to panic at 4:00 would be premature, for this situation.

Maybe, maybe not? I'm trying to look at the whole time (recent) leading up to the day. Some posters have commented on the home life. Don't bash me, please...reports of possible abuse, etc. From the pics I have seen of Somer it looks like she is smiling in "pose" for the camera, but the "sad" one of her and Sammy is the one that jumped out at me, looked like she was pouting or in trouble, etc. There was the one close up of DT smiling and Somer with her head thrown back looking like she was having a fit. Maybe she was being tickled....Normal. But the running off, the lonliness, the whole trend of the thing. We are still trying to figure out if DT met with SP to talk about situations or helping the child, etc. It's a big mystery, the biggest is what went on in DT's head which only she knows. All I can say is that since the beginning I have, and continued to have, a lot of confusion and uneasiness about Somer's life and her mom's general demeanor and changing of stories, etc.

 

[ChickenPants]

Possible reasons for dog losing scent at DeBarry and Gano

1. Somer got in car
2. Somer turned around and walked back (I don't know if dog would distinguish scent direction)
3. Somer got ride on bike or scooter
4. Scent lost due to traffic (foot and vehicular)
5. Dog having bad day


Anything else? Maybe we can take these one by one and discredit them ... and if anyone has any other possible reasons, we'll add them and (lol) discredit them. Maybe what we're left with will be it.

Perp grabbed Somer up off her feet, smothered her, carried her limp body and put it in a garbage bag which would cover the scent, then dumped her.

No matter who or what we discuss, including locations, dumpsters, shortcuts, boyfriends, parenting, grade point average or if her hair ribbon was red or pink, it remains that she was alone, grabbed in broad daylight, killed quietly and disposed of without anyone noticing or hearing a thing. Or if they heard or saw in any of the locations in any circumstances, they are not saying.

 

[ChickenPants]

FWIW - I think the reason the sherriff said "she had been searching for 2.5 hours" is he was being somewhat unspecific as to who. In his own timeline he thinks Somer left school at approx 2:30 - DT flagged down officer around 5pm. that's 2.5 hours. he's assuming people have been looking for her "since she went missing" and made the mistake of saying it was DT herself, and not taking into a more accurate timeline that she may have been last seen closer to 3pm. JMO.

Also, in regards to Gano/Debary scent loss. IF the 3rd crossing gaurd is correct and Sommer did not cross at that intersection, how would she have gotten there that afternoon to have the scent lost? Did the dogs lose her scent on the side of the road where the crossing gaurd is (same side of road where house/tanks/sidewalk is) or on the opposite side of Debarry (side of Gano where the park is)? That could make a difference... maybe.. in my own head.

The school would know exactly what time her last class let out, which kids went to buses and which walked - they are grouped like that. If she stayed behind longer, a teacher would have noticed. Because other kids would not be there. I am sure LE has asked by now and gotten the exact time.

I think Sheriff was saying exactly what he was told by DT. She didn't appear to think it was incorrect when he stated it.

 

[Noway]

Decreasing. 1100 then 1080 then 1050.

1050 is closer to the school. Then comes the Gano House at 1080. Then the 1100 block of Gano.

The numbers get bigger the farther away from the school you go. (That's what threw off my theories not to mention everything I'd thought about the order in which people saw Somer.)

Based on that. it seems Somer visited with Kyle before meeting up with siblings. Unless for some reason she turned around ?

 

[Noway]

Also according to the above clip (contrary to MPR) It was DT who phone home @ 4pm to see if the kids made it home okay. SP stated Somer had not returned and that they had been looking for her the past hour. DT leaves work @ 4pm...... flags down a Deputy @ 5?

Based on the MPR, isn't it "fact" that Diena texted first? At about 4 she texted Sean and asked how the kids were doing and he texted back that Somer hadn't come home with the other two?

If asked when she first realized Somer did not come home, she would probably say that she got a text message from Sean. I don't think her omission that she texted him to ask about the kids is a red flag (necessarily).

When they questioned Sean and he described his actions, it would have included telling AT to search really good before he called Diena. At about 4, Diena texted him and he responded that Somer hadn't come home. I think he also said that AT was looking for her. It is possible that Diena didn't want to put Sean in the position of being the adult in charge and didn't want AT to be the one out looking for Somer, and that's why she left right away.

By the time she got to OPAA, and Somer wasn't found (cell phone records should show calls (text or phone) between her and Sean, she felt something was wrong and flagged down the officer. Does that make sense?

 

[human]

I'm probably way off the beaten path here (again), but I've been thinking what the Astros said. In the chart it says the person (and a woman) is a stranger and a traveler who may need to refuel their vehicle. Are there any gas stations (that do car repairs) in the area? Don't they all have dumpsters? I know cars/trucks have brake dust. Brake dust is soot.

The Astros may not be right about WLK, but perhaps other things on the chart are correct. IDK?!?!?! Worth thinking about, I suppose.

Here's the chart:
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/CausticSalt/SomerGoesMissing126.jpg

Unless things have changes, brake dust is asbestos. It might be something else because asbestos is a known carcinogen, but I don't know if laws have changed it yet.

 

[human]

Chee, I do not think LE ever said it was Kyle.

Kitty's are fine, however the raccoons steal the food @ night. Loaded the larder up with kibbles.

There is an article somewhere and Momma D followed up. Kyle said that LE told HIM that he was the last known person to see her alive.

Again, Kyle did NOT call the reporter. The reporter, Ryan Hughes called Kyle, according to info from Momma D somewhere in her posts.

 

[human]

1050 is closer to the school. Then comes the Gano House at 1080. Then the 1100 block of Gano.

The numbers get bigger the farther away from the school you go. (That's what threw off my theories not to mention everything I'd thought about the order in which people saw Somer.)

Based on that. it seems Somer visited with Kyle before meeting up with siblings. Unless for some reason she turned around ?

It's a mystery

1. Kyle is said to be last known person to see her alive

2. She stops and talks to Kyle and then meets up with sibs?

3. She is alone at the propane tanks before Gano house.

4. She walks with MC.


When does she meet up with MC? When does she run from sibs? How does this all work

 

[Chickadee]

All the "facts" released in this case seem to have a contradictory "fact" to go along with it.

School lets out at 2:32 according to the GPE website.

Sgt. Dan Mahla is quoted (and reporter asks him to verify) that Somer was released by the school at 2:50 p.m.

But she was last seen by her siblings at 2:45 p.m.

Sgt. Mahla also states that she caught up with her siblings in the 1100 block of Gano, which someone here pointed out would be AFTER the Gano House. (So how could Kyle be the last one to see her if she caught up with them after the Gano House? Are they discounting what any kid reported and only accepting adults' word?)

I can't tell what came first in this case ... HELP!

Our schools let the "walkers" out about 10 minutes before the kids that get bused. I looked at our school's website and it doesn't say anything about that, but I know for a fact our kids get out at different times even though they are in the same school. Maybe the walkers are dismissed after the buses leave in Orange Park?? That would account for the different times given (I think).

I've been looking through the link you provided and can't find anything about walkers getting dismissed either before or after the bused kids.

 

[infinity14]

Greetings one and all; May I make a suggestion? Seems as though the past few days this thread has turned into a debate over the proper way to raise a child. Regardless of our own parenting skills, experiences, beliefs, it is taking us away from the true matter at hand. Regardless of who you support or don't (DT,ST,SP,etc), it shouldn't matter. I hope we are all here for Somer. Whether she wandered off constantly, had friends, hugged strangers, etc could play a role in her demise. However, coulda woulda shoulda isn't getting us anywhere. What do you say we focus on those new pictures that sad was kind enough to take for us of places off the beaten path... how about we start with the possibilities of directions she could have gone? Whatcha say? Can I get a post count?

Thank you Chee! I couldn't agree more!

 

[trigger]

1050 is closer to the school. Then comes the Gano House at 1080. Then the 1100 block of Gano.

The numbers get bigger the farther away from the school you go. (That's what threw off my theories not to mention everything I'd thought about the order in which people saw Somer.)

Based on that. it seems Somer visited with Kyle before meeting up with siblings. Unless for some reason she turned around ?

OK i didn't realized that either..

I remember a mother being interviewed sayi her dauhhter and Somer would go to the Library. Does anyone remember that? Wheres the library at?

 

[Noway]

It was the library at the school. The mother is Tina and the daughter is 11. The article is posted in this thread, but I don't remember what page (maybe 33).

http://wokv.com/localnews/2009/10/more-tips-no-arrest-in-somer-t.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/25/national/main5420298.shtml

My inclination is that Somer was walking with M. (niece of GC) from the school to the point where they squabbled. If Somer dilly dallied before catching up with siblings (propane tanks and Kyle at Gano House) then it's possible that M. caught up with AT and ST before Somerand told them about the squabble (being hit with backpack or verbal, not sure). So that when Somer caught up, AT told her to stop squabbling, fighting, tiffing, etc.

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