FL - Somer Thompson, 7, Orange Park, 19 Oct 2009 #30

[Noway]

Does your child know how to choose who to ask? For example, he should look for a woman to help him.

What a dumb thing to say. JMO

Does your child know that if someone ever tries to force him to go somewhere, what he screams should include, ''This is not my father''? Onlookers seeing a child scream or even struggle are likely to assume the adult is a parent.

And as we saw, this doesn't always work. (Referring to video posted long ago in Somer thread ... search for eye opener and you might find it)

 

[trigger]

No, they got the kids back and there was no punishment as I recall. Just some busybody reporting them.

I remember them being interviewed. I think someone from maybe walmart turned them in when he/she developed them.

 

[pinamia]

What a dumb thing to say. JMO



And as we saw, this doesn't always work. (Referring to video posted long ago in Somer thread ... search for eye opener and you might find it)

Sometimes nothing works but that doesn't mean it's okay not to know and still be left on your own to fend for yourself.

They say always walk in packs. Somer violated the first most important rule of safety in numbers.

 

[Noway]

Maybe this is a good time for a new thread? It seems pretty quiet.

 

[Noway]

btw when I created this thread, I forgot to include the prefix option so there is no Found Deceased in the front of the thread like there is on the others. I've asked the mods to fix ...

 

[Noway]

Well, there doesn't seem to be a big cry for a new thread so I won't ... bbl tonight maybe.

 

[New1]

I am not a normal mother - I would not have gone on vacation and left my son alone at home when he was 18. I would have worried myself to death the whole time. He was perfectly capable of taking care of himself - it was just me. I worried that he would have a car wreck or something while I was out of town on vacation, but like I said, I am not a normal mother.

I think I left him home alone at age 12 for about 20 minutes, then gradually increased the time I was gone each time till I was comfortable with him being alone.

 

[New1]

I remember them being interviewed. I think someone from maybe walmart turned them in when he/she developed them.

Yes, I think you are right.

 

[ChickenPants]

are you saying that they physically reach into the dumpster to empty it? or do they hoist it up and over? When I was searching, we could not reach way down into the dumpster that was located inside one of the apt complexes....I used a big 2X4 that was standing there to try and move some stuff in the bottom of it.....

No, I am not necessarily saying that. Whichever way it is dug out, it is done in volume and transferred from one receptacle to another. What I am saying is that nobody would notice a garbage bag with a 65 lb. child in it - nobody was looking for a bag with a body. They were just doing their routine jobs. If she was put in a bag. In the one photo posted recently, the police were lifting up a carpet. All kinds of things get put in dumpsters and the garbage men just come along and scoop it up. They don't look at it...

 

[tarabull]

I see there's an 18 year old on today's occurance report charged with murder:

M, DJ (B M, 18) Arrest on chrg of Murder In The Third Degree, F (F), at 901 N Orange Av, Green Cove Springs, FL, on 12/15/2009.

 

[ChickenPants]

I am also wondering this.....DT is listed as "Receptionist".....don't they do phones?? So why text when you do phones?? odd....MO

They're probably discouraged from making or receiving personal calls at work. We are not even supposed to carry our cell phones. Because I am around different areas of the premises a lot, I am allowed to use my cell phone for work and do not take personal calls during work hours unless I am at lunch. He could have texted her and her phone beeped or vibrated and she checked it?

 

[ChickenPants]

I THINK they had lunch (for whatever reason) and he was waiting for her to come home. But I dont think it had anything to do with the kids. NO, I dont think he was babysitting. I dont know why he was there. I think there are many answers to that question. They had hours to discuss what they wanted before LE interview.

Deliberately misled LE? Hmmmmmm. I dont think it was the first time and I think he was protecting DT. Not to impede the investigation, at least not intentionally. I think it seemed like a white lie at the time KWIM? Does it say anywhere that SP said he was babysitting? IIRC, dt said that. Not SP.

There are several lies IMO, all to protect DT. She didnt know somer wandered? Give me a break. There was a list to call when she didnt come straight home. A list? A list is made for something that happens frequently.

Someone on here once said that somer has more attention from DT in death than she ever received in life. I think this is true.

Anyone who wants can get ur tomatoes ready. I can take em and look good in red. Do I think somer needed her dad? All little girls do. Did he let her down too? You bet. But not like her mother did, not because there was anyone more important than her. His inaction is his fault, but it was based on no resourses. DT had plenty of resources. Poor pitiful me who had no resources, single mom my a**. She has never been single as far as I can see. My friend calls these people monkeys. They cant let go of one hand until they have another. I think monkey describes dt very well. This also btw leaves no hand free for kids.

these are only my opinions

Just to clarify. You are saying that DT did NOT ask SP to stay and wait for the children to come home. You are saying that he stayed for no real reason, waiting for her to come home? But...in the meantime, the children WOULD come home. So how do we get to the point of DT texting him to ask if they got home? And him responding Somer wasn't there, etc., etc., onward.

I am still trying to figure out how and why they would concoct this story (you say they had hours to do it). I can't picture an adequate scenario. If he is staying for no matter what reason, it makes it look good that there is an adult there. There would be no reason to tell LE anything. He was there waiting for the kids, as an adult, period. Why explain his presence if there was nothing to hide? Please excuse me if I am not getting it. Thanks.

 

[trigger]

They're probably discouraged from making or receiving personal calls at work. We are not even supposed to carry our cell phones. Because I am around different areas of the premises a lot, I am allowed to use my cell phone for work and do not take personal calls during work hours unless I am at lunch. He could have texted her and her phone beeped or vibrated and she checked it?

Me and my friends and family text all the time while at work. Its the best invention since sliced bread..lol..Esp at work..Don't start its addicting...

 

[tarabull]

I see there's an 18 year old on today's occurance report charged with murder:

M, DJ (B M, 18) Arrest on chrg of Murder In The Third Degree, F (F), at 901 N Orange Av, Green Cove Springs, FL, on 12/15/2009.

NEVERMIND kids....his charges are from July but ironic as heck they charged this kid on his 18th birthday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DOB 12/15/91

 

[pinamia]

NEVERMIND kids....his charges are from July but ironic as heck they charged this kid on his 18th birthday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DOB 12/15/91

That's very telling. That means it took 5 months to charge him. So 5 months from Oct.19 would be a Feb. arrest hopefully. That LE is awfully slow.

 

[human]

O/T

I personally dont think anything is cuter than my fat naked babies. And I think pin was just pointing out how these cute pics can get innocent people in trouble, while most does not.

Honestly, I know that I may get people upset, but people who look at their nude pics of grandchildren do not get in trouble.

(I have changed my mind on those kind of pics over time though. I don't find them cute anymore because of all of these pervs)

I think those stories of grandparents looking at those pictures and getting in trouble are fake.

I think people who do not like rules and laws about what they can and cannot do ,put those stories out to get people upset and talking how unfair, etc. so they can do their own perverted things under the radar.

I am not for of any kind. I would say almost all girls in that industry have been victimized in some way ,and now they are getting a secondary victimization. I am very firm on this. I do not believe that it is victimless at all, as the people try to tell you. Someday, if anyone has time, read about it. It's a bajillion dollar industry that the pervs want to legitimatize.

No thanks.

 

[pinamia]

Honestly, I know that I may get people upset, but people who look at their nude pics of grandchildren do not get in trouble.

(I have changed my mind on those kind of pics over time though. I don't find them cute anymore because of all of these pervs)

I think those stories of grandparents looking at those pictures and getting in trouble are fake.

I think people who do not like rules and laws about what they can and cannot do ,put those stories out to get people upset and talking how unfair, etc. so they can do their own perverted things under the radar.

I am not for of any kind. I would say almost all girls in that industry have been victimized in some way ,and now they are getting a secondary victimization. I am very firm on this. I do not believe that it is victimless at all, as the people try to tell you. Someday, if anyone has time, read about it. It's a bajillion dollar industry that the pervs want to legitimatize.

No thanks.

There is good and bad everywhere. I was just saying that adult or watching it for pleasure is not something a wholesome person would do. I wouldn't want a man who watches to be around my kids.
BTW, most of the ones that watch it won't get in trouble unless it's child . I don't see much of a difference. If it's an adult it still should be wrong because that person is not treated like a person but a piece of meat. In other words, s/he's still being exploited even if it isn't a minor.

 

[ChickenPants]

Is there concrete proof she neglected her kids as in the form of a DCF investigation?

I'm sure someone will answer this but before I read on the word "concrete" proof stands out.

There is a difference between "concrete" (real, substantial) proof and DOCUMENTED (as in investigation) proof. This can be a problem with DCF especially in Florida. We all know from sad past events that investigators do not document everything and make lots of mistakes, some of which have included returning kids to very bad parents and ending up in deaths.

Personally, I get fed up with semantics. Those of us who are struggling to be non-judgemental and fair and balanced still can't ignore the elephant standing in the corner no matter how many people say "whatever you do, don't look at that elephant".

Whether DCF was ever called or not (and if they weren't, shame on people who didn't want to get involved), DT put her children at risk. If you have children and you have to work, you make arrangements for them to be properly cared for. There are plenty of free or low cost after school programs available in Florida. I don't know how much money DT made to supplement the $40,000.00 per year that her live-in makes. Apparently she usually got off work about 4:00 p.m. Arrangements for that time period would not be costly. She noted in one interview that the neighborhood was so safe she could "fall asleep with the garage door open and t.v.s and stuff out there and never think twice about it" (paraphrased). Her seven year old daughter consistently ran off (for what reason - she had some problems) and remained at various places depending on who is doing the talking: searching for people to play with, climbing trees, hanging out by water, etc., etc., and DT KNEW about it because as we know she had a list of people to call. And I don't care what people say is the reason she flubbed it, she stated right on t.v. that Somer had never, never done this before. A lonely, frustrated child about who in hindsight mom wistfully said, "well....she was picked on a lot".

This says that rather than take responsibility for her kids, she left it up to the good will or availability of others. Depending on the day, it could be neighbors, babysitters (who quit because of the stress of worrying about a missing child), male friends, or a 10 year old. Please show me where a 10 year old babysitting is acceptable? Did the 10 year old have a key or was the house usually left open? To whom? This site and many others have debated DT's role in this tragedy since it happened. So again, the facts. These are her children. It was her responsibility to care for them or find someone trustworthy to provide care in her absence. The children were left with a variety of people or no people, and dealt with a variety of males coming in and out of the mother's life. This child had problems. She ran away but always came back. Not this time. She was killed. The killer knew this child was running loose. Whose fault was it? Not the bus system, and not the poor 10 year old who will carry this burden for the rest of her life.

Neglect. The word signifies not carrying out a responsibility. In this case, it is appropriate. Whether DCF said it or says it now, it is clear.

 

[sadnpod]

I see there's an 18 year old on today's occurance report charged with murder:

M, DJ (B M, 18) Arrest on chrg of Murder In The Third Degree, F (F), at 901 N Orange Av, Green Cove Springs, FL, on 12/15/2009.

Woah... I will go look..

 

[ChickenPants]

Well,I personally feel there has been bashing on this board by some people of Somer's mother.It's sad and sickening to see.I just couldn't come here any more and watch it happening.It's wrong.I do not see where LE thinks she did anything wrong anywhere.It's just not there.I very strongly feel the school system should never let elementary school children any where have to walk to and from school.I strongly blame the school system and they need to do something about it now.It is very hard for me to come to this pretty little girls thread and not see anything happening.I'm so sad for Somer.I just have to have faith they have a killer in mind and waiting on evidence to make an arrest.

I respectfully disagree with you regarding the school system. The school system is in place to educate children. The school system needs the assistance of reliable and involved parents to make choices regarding the children. The school system is not responsible for children after school. Nevertheless, the school system and the board of education do everything they can to make resources available to parents, regardless of their ability to pay. There are plenty of clubs, activities and after school programs available. But it is not up to seven year old children to make these arrangements. There are also ways parents could and should get involved in issues like this. Plenty of moms who do not work and could be monitors, lots of creative ways that children can be kept safe if people care enough to implement them.

We are talking about a seven year old who ran off for more than an hour every day and frustrated everyone who watched her. It was not the school system's responsibility to deal with this issue, and from what is being reported here, it's likely that the teachers were concerned about her. But they are not her parents.