FL - Somer Thompson, 7, Orange Park, 19 Oct 2009 #30

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  • #981
BBM

I think the crossing guard is on the left, but the right turn on grove park is before that guard, like 1/4 to 1/2 a block before. its doesnt cross straight over
no, it is after the guard....I was parked in the parking lot of the ball park beside the tennis courts....right across from the burnt home and the lawn care dude....crossing guard is next....I am almost sure of this....let me go look at the map again....
 
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07/10/2009 Notice of Related Cases
07/10/2009 Certificate of Compliance


I wonder what this means. What are related cases?
 
  • #984
grove park to the right is like 1/4 to 1/2 block PAST the second guard, but on the opposite side of the road...did you have a good day Sad?
 
  • #985
All the "facts" released in this case seem to have a contradictory "fact" to go along with it.

School lets out at 2:32 according to the GPE website.

Sgt. Dan Mahla is quoted (and reporter asks him to verify) that Somer was released by the school at 2:50 p.m.

But she was last seen by her siblings at 2:45 p.m.

Sgt. Mahla also states that she caught up with her siblings in the 1100 block of Gano, which someone here pointed out would be AFTER the Gano House. (So how could Kyle be the last one to see her if she caught up with them after the Gano House? Are they discounting what any kid reported and only accepting adults' word?)


My son is a special education teacher with kids Somer's age and under. When school is ready to let out, he gathers two groups: those being picked up by parents and those being bused (there are no walkers that I know of, but they would be led out with the group as well). Those groups are escorted by teaher and aides to the appropriate places. There are plenty of teachers out there and everybody knows everybody. At this point, if a child got into a fight or ran off, he would personally take the child aside and stay with the child, and if necessary, call the parent(s) if the child could not be calmed down.

He personally escorts the bused students onto the bus. Kids are counted again. The car riders are supervised by aides and teachers. There are no children left on school premises unless they are involved in pre-planned after school activity or are children of teachers who work there. I am sure there are kids at his school who are also in ISS; the teachers are a close-knit bunch. They all know what is going on in one anothers' rooms, ESPECIALLY about kids with problems. Somer running off would classify her as one with a problem. Extra attention would be paid to her behavior and she would be monitored.

If she was routinely running off from the group, fighting with other kids, etc., the parents would have been notified. Suggestions would be made for parents to work on this behavior at home and teacher would be monitoring her at school. If there were frequent issues like her being picked on, fighting, etc, it would be documented by one or more of her teachers. A team conference may be held. Parents may be called in to discuss the problem and how it impacted her in school. A group conference with parent and teachers is a routine occurrence with issues like this.

There are NO children in the building even 2 minutes after school officially lets out. Classroom doors are closed and/or locked. Any teacher who allowed this to happen (without explained activity, etc., as stated above) would be reprimanded. Each and every child is counted and accounted for several times. This is the normal protocol for teachers and students according to strict guidelines in this county's school. I don't know if guidelines vary from County to County.


Once the child is off school property, that is another story. Hopefully the child has caring persons to follow up and make sure he/she is safe.

On the day this happened, Somer allegedly got into a fight with another child. I'm not clear if it happened at school or when out of school. If it happened at school she may have been held back while the teacher called (or tried to call) her parent as a cautionary measure. Certainly if she left late, the teacher would not let her go off all alone. Were the siblings waiting for her? She was with them for some period of time.

Just yesterday I was on the receptoinist desk as a fill-in when I got a call from a co-worker's son's high school. I paged the co-worker and had a difficult time finding her. The person at school held and held and said they would hold until the parent had been located. The reason turned out to be that the boy was sick, and the school wanted permission from the mother for him to be allowed to drive home. This explains exactly what I am talking about. This was in HIGH SCHOOL.
 
  • #986
Is he teacher at GPE? I understand not letting special education students walk ... but I don't catch the relevance of what you're saying. (To paraphrase Tara: I'm not smellin' what you're walkin' in!)

Somer running off would classify her as one with a problem. Extra attention would be paid to her behavior and she would be monitored.
Someone would have had to have told the teachers ... wonder if anyone did.
 
  • #987
07/10/2009 Notice of Related Cases
07/10/2009 Certificate of Compliance


I wonder what this means. What are related cases?

Well there's still that open case with PC.....as in red bird before anyone says ~ huh~ ????

Would that be considered related case?

It reads:
Type/ Status:
URESA (??)
ReOpened - Modifications
Dated: 1/31/2008
 
  • #988
could that be "unresolved"?
 
  • #989
I think if ST is trying to get custody of all kids (and I think he is because he considers AC his), that would be accurate.

ETA: I think they would need to locate Paul C. and he'd have to give up his parental rights? Or at least temporarily if there is such a thing.
 
  • #990
maybe she was asking for more child support??
 
  • #991
I think if ST is trying to get custody of all kids (and I think he is because he considers AC his), that would be accurate.
but the date is Jan 08?
 
  • #992
I just wonder if DT could have actually found her while searching, or AT? I hate to think this....but gosh....nothing makes sense to me.....please do not be upset with me for posting this....it is just a thought.....could have been furious with her, esp if she got a call from the school about a fight....if that even happened.....


I can't imagine the school not calling if Somer was caught hitting a child with a backpack on school grounds. I'm still a little confused about the classmate argument though. Is the girl Somer hit the same girl who she walked a bit with, then argued again before walking with her siblings?
 
  • #993
I think if ST is trying to get custody of all kids (and I think he is because he considers AC his), that would be accurate.

ETA: I think they would need to locate Paul C. and he'd have to give up his parental rights? Or at least temporarily if there is such a thing.

a-ha! that might be it!!!!

you aren't just a pretty face eh Noway?
 
  • #994
Well, someone completed the PDR - court records show a certificate of completion filed with the court on 6/10/2009.
 
  • #995
She could have passed over to the park without a guard.. I think and have been told by people in the park that vehicle traffic has increased alot since then. So at that time it might not have been a big deal. Also if she crossed to go over to grove park, the crossing guard is down further, he may not have seen her.

That could be..she could have crossed over to the park. Wasn't that the first place DT went after pickig up AT?
 
  • #996
What about the fact that her scent disappeared at Gano and Debarry IIRC?

LE did say that exhaust fumes could destroy it, but there would not be fumes on a shortcut.

Just picking people's brains here. It seems posters have such good answers to my questions. Luminol needs the dark to work. (My question about why dig at night at Gano) How could she be hiddenin a dumpster and not be seen (put stuff on top-duh.)

So how could her scent disappear? I'm going with a car picking her up.


Digging at Gano possibly because they had other evidence to indicate that this is where she was assaulted? To see if someone had buried something? (I am thinking a weapon) At night because there would be stalkers and gawkers and TV cameras during the day? Did a dog sniff something there that caused them to dig?
 
  • #997
BBM: Her scent disappeared at that location (we'll assume). Someone on a scooter or bicycle could have given her a ride possibly... maybe a car wasn't involved.

Theory Only


What about a motorcycle? They can get into places cars cannot. They have lots of exhaust, but then again, they are noisy. But with all of the noise and kids and traffic, nobody would necessarily notice. Is there any prospective perps we can think of who would be driving on a motorcycle?
 
  • #998
I think someone would notice a motorcycle with a kid on the back....UNLESS it happened to be someone from the neighbourhood that people are used to seeing with a kid on the back.
 
  • #999
That could be..she could have crossed over to the park. Wasn't that the first place DT went after pickig up AT?
I had always thought that DT picked up AT at the park...no? She said he was already there searching....no?
 
  • #1,000
I think they said she ran ahead of them so it would be west down Gano. Noway has the map somewhere. The numbers went down. AT saw her 1100 Gano.

Noway wrote this in November and then at beginning of thread there is the map.

UPDATED MAP ON THREAD INCLUDES CROSSING GUARD AND BOY NEAR PROPANE TANKS

For reference ... bringing forward

Red = where siblings last saw her at Gano and Solomon

Blue = where CS (minor) last saw her at Gano and Grove Park Drive


Green = 1080 Gano


http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj101/NoWay406/89f440ee.jpg

Question: Where do you think she may have been running TO? When she ran off, she went to different places, according to people who reported her behavior. Was she just running around, running toward a familiar neighbor's house, running to a secret place...to climb a tree, to hide and watch until siblings were past her and she could come out, or was she running home? Maybe some people who knew where she ran before could add some insight. If we knew where she was headed, it might shed light on which route she took?
 
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