FL - Somer Thompson, 7, Orange Park, 19 Oct 2009 #31

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  • #821
How many mothers here would leave their younger children with a 10 yr old??? Not I.....because we cannot find it in "legal" terms, does not make it right.....it is just common sense....MO....I am guessing some are looking for legal terms in order for DT to not be held negligent in this......I personally do not care if she is held negligent....she has to live with the decisions that she has made in regards to her children....so sad....MO
 
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  • #823
I for one was not looking for legal terms or whatever to find DT not neglegent. I was simply trying to find info that was posted by a member that said you had to be 16 to babysit. I knew that did not sound right and I was trying to find out for my own mind. Because, I do have a 12 year old and I babysat at 12 or 13 so I wanted to see if that was in fact a law.

I personally do not feel DT is responsible for what happened to Somer but I understand many members do. I totally respect all opinions.

And Cam, I know how much you have done on this since day 1. I followed very closely for a long time too. Anyway, I respect and value your opinion, your heart, and your hard work on this one.
 
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Cam, if there is no law in FL about leaving children home at age 7 in care of 10 year old (or 13 year old) and Diena knew that, then it eliminates the idea that she had SP there to make it look like an adult was babysitting although he was there for another reason.

In answer to your question, depends on the 10 year old and the younger children.
 
  • #826
I wonder if DT did have a babysitter that day, other than AT, or SP....would she hold that person accountable for not watching Somer?
 
  • #827
Well, I remembered that my nieces took a Safe Sitter class (means NADA since they lived in Montana at the time).

But FL does have the same thing
http://www.floridahospitalwomen.com/en/the-baby-place/safe-sitter-classes

Founded in 1980 by an Indianapolis pediatrician, Safe Sitter is a medically accurate program that teaches boys and girls, ages 11-13, how to handle emergencies when caring for young children.

And we can go on and on about how it's not safe to have a child that young babysit and we would never do it. But it doesn't matter. It's not about us and our kids.

It's about Somer.
 
  • #828
Cam, if there is no law in FL about leaving children home at age 7 in care of 10 year old (or 13 year old) and Diena knew that, then it eliminates the idea that she had SP there to make it look like an adult was babysitting although he was there for another reason.

In answer to your question, depends on the 10 year old and the younger children.
I really do not think that DT even thought about weather it was legal or not to have AT babysitting.....therefor she used SP to LE to make it look as tho an adult was there....didn't she even say herself that the neighborhood looked out for her kids?? That is crazy.....MO....how can you go about life expecting others to do what you should do? I had a neighbor like this once, use to drive me crazy.....MO
 
  • #829
Good point Cam, I guess it would depend on if that sitter was supposed to walk Somer home from school or not. If the sitter would have been at home for after school, it would not have mattered since Somer never made it there.
 
  • #830
~snipped form MPR~

She said she then asked Sean P. to stay at her house and wait for the children to get home from school.

If he was to stay at her house, and Somer never made it to the house, then I would say he was not responsible. No more than I would say anyone at the house, waiting for Somer to walk home with her siblings would be.
 
  • #831
Noway, no offense at all but I think we all know who this is about.

But, when we are thinking about cases, if we are mothers (or fathers for that matter), it's only natural to think what we would do. KWIM

Isn't that a way we can relate to the facts of the case? To see if anything is "off".
 
  • #832
Cam, if there is no law in FL about leaving children home at age 7 in care of 10 year old (or 13 year old) and Diena knew that, then it eliminates the idea that she had SP there to make it look like an adult was babysitting although he was there for another reason.

In answer to your question, depends on the 10 year old and the younger children.
Well, if we look at this 10 yr old, and the younger children here.....I would say it was not a wise decision.....MO....not at all meaning that because of what has happened....meaning ST lagged behind....AT was too motherly....Somer was constantly picked on, always running off.....the list goes on and on.....if DT was a very young mother....I could understand better that she chose this for her children.....maybe because of my age, IDK....I seem to over look things easier that younger Mom's might do....not knowing any better....
 
  • #833
How many mothers here would leave their younger children with a 10 yr old??? Not I.....because we cannot find it in "legal" terms, does not make it right.....it is just common sense....MO....I am guessing some are looking for legal terms in order for DT to not be held negligent in this......I personally do not care if she is held negligent....she has to live with the decisions that she has made in regards to her children....so sad....MO

Nor I. I would not even leave a 10-year old in charge of herself let alone in charge of 2 other children. I don't know if this makes DT negligent or a poor parent, but IMO it was a poor choice. DT must have felt uncomfortable leaving the kids without a sitter or else why would she have had the sitter who quit?
 
  • #834
I would like to clarify that my previous post had absolutely nothing to do with what Kimberly posted. My snippet of her post was merely the spring-board for what I posted afterward.

I was trying to raise a question to everyone about the whole idea that anyone should base their decisions or choices or lifestyles, etc., based on what is legally sanctioned or outlawed.

As adults, we're expected to make our own decisions, guided by our own sense of right & wrong, safe or unsafe, stupid or smart, etc.

If, as competent adults, we look to the Law (external authority) to tell us what is right or wrong, legal or illegal, responsible or irresponsible, then we're not really adults, are we?

IMO, it is irrelevant what the legal age might be in Florida for children to be home unsupervised. Or what the legal age of babysitters or caregivers might be, in Florida or anywhere else. What IS relevant (IMO) is the ability of parents & also those without children to make responsible decisions regarding themselves (in any matter - childcare decisions or otherwise) and those that look to them for care & protection, regardless of whether or not there is a legal statute defining who/when/how/whatever.

It is not the State's responsibility, nor the school district's, to determine the choices parents must make in order to provide for their children.

It is each & every parent's responsibility. And to suggest that a parent is not responsible or culpable due to the fact that a law hasn't been implemented dictating responsibility or culpability is ridiculous.

Legislators assume that competent citizens (including parents) possess a measure of common sense. With every law passed there must be funding to implement & enforce that law.

I mean, how long will it be before we have laws defining "common sense"?! Do we really want someone else deciding what common sense is for us? Can't we decide for ourselves?
 
  • #835
Noway, no offense at all but I think we all know who this is about.

But, when we are thinking about cases, if we are mothers (or fathers for that matter), it's only natural to think what we would do. KWIM

Isn't that a way we can relate to the facts of the case? To see if anything is "off".

Indeed. But it doesn't relate to the case.

And people come here to read about the case, not what you and I do in our personal lives.

Just trying to keep on topic (which is at the top of the page) and failing miserably.
 
  • #836
Well, I remembered that my nieces took a Safe Sitter class (means NADA since they lived in Montana at the time).

But FL does have the same thing
http://www.floridahospitalwomen.com/en/the-baby-place/safe-sitter-classes

Founded in 1980 by an Indianapolis pediatrician, Safe Sitter is a medically accurate program that teaches boys and girls, ages 11-13, how to handle emergencies when caring for young children.

And we can go on and on about how it's not safe to have a child that young babysit and we would never do it. But it doesn't matter. It's not about us and our kids.

It's about Somer.
I know that Orange Park Hospital offers a class for babysitting.....right around the corner from DT's home...wonder if AT attended these classes??
 
  • #837
Indeed. But it doesn't relate to the case.

And people come here to read about the case, not what you and I do in our personal lives.

Just trying to keep on topic (which is at the top of the page) and failing miserably.
I do think that you were the one searching for all the legal babysitting, child care....no?
 
  • #838
IMO we've been pretty on topic since these have been questions since day 1/thread 1. Should she have walked home from school? Should bus service be provided by the school system? And, Should AT have been repsonsible for her?
 
  • #839
I think the one who posted about DT being offered after school care IS a local, and she has posted some rumors and clearly stated that they were rumors when she posted them. However, she has said that she KNOWS for a fact that DT was offered free after school care and declined it. You all have a choice of whether to believe her or not. I also have that same choice, and I DO believe her.


I doubt if anything would just be offered unless it was an individual since Diena would have to apply for the after school program based on income. If she turned down the after school program at the school, maybe it was because she planned to leave work and go to her classes. The after school program would be needless if the kids were going to have to walk home anyway.
 
  • #840
I think the one who posted about DT being offered after school care IS a local, and she has posted some rumors and clearly stated that they were rumors when she posted them. However, she has said that she KNOWS for a fact that DT was offered free after school care and declined it. You all have a choice of whether to believe her or not. I also have that same choice, and I DO believe her.

There are several people on the Somer thread who are locals or so called approved family members. Here's the problem:

When someone comes on as a family member and makes a comment - how do I know that what is being said is 'fact', 'opinion', or 'rumor'. It's very confusing as evidenced by the many who come onto this thread and tell you just how dysfunctional it is...nobody can figure anything out. Spreading rumors and smut about a grieving mom, her deceased daughter, and her surviving children does NOT represent WS as I know it. mho

I am particularly offended by those characterizing little Somer as an unhappy, angry, lonely, friendless, and neglected 7yo. How dare anyone do this to a deceased child!!!! Especially since she has been portrayed by many as happy and filled with love for people, friends, puppies, and kitty cats, and all animals. Just what gives anyone the right to portray Somer in such a pejorative way? I know - if you portray little Somer in this way - mom Diena looks neglectful and guilty, in other words, it serves your needs. mho

This thread is NOT just for those who are presently controlling it - it is for the scores of people who blog here at WS and those who read comments without logging on. This blog is available to the United States and beyond - the impression you give represents all of us. mho
 
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