FL - Somer Thompson, 7, Orange Park, 19 Oct 2009 #33

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  • #241
pinamia said:
Strangulation is one of the quickest deaths there is. Within minutes the person dies depending on the pressure. I was almost strangled several times (once at 6 by my aunt's husband, twice by an ex boyfriend, only the second time was bad). Each time, it was a sharp pain followed by urinating in my pants (that second time there was a lot of that) and pressure. I never got unconscious though so I was lucky. Now when I almost died in a beach that was more painful. I had a near death experience with that. At one point I gave up and was going. I was given a choice and got enough strength to get away from the girls who were keeping me underwater. I got lucky to guess the right direction to crawl out of the water. I was sick with pneumonia for a few weeks after that. Once someone reaches the point where they are dying, it is merciful since there is a death experience (crossing over) and the pain ends. There was a tunnel and a light and someone saying if I go any further I couldn't come back. I was 18 and I chose to go back.
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Pin, thanks for sharing an obviously painful memory. I'm happy you came back!
 
  • #242
In thinking about M's uncle's statement about "she WON'T be there unless . . ." was this interview done after Somer's body was found?
Maybe the statement to M didn't go exactly like that. Maybe he changed the wording for dramatic effect after he learned her body was found. That is if the interview was after the body was found. If the interview is prior to them finding her, then the statement stands out as odd to me.
 
  • #243
pinamia said:
Strangulation is one of the quickest deaths there is. Within minutes the person dies depending on the pressure. I was almost strangled several times (once at 6 by my aunt's husband, twice by an ex boyfriend, only the second time was bad). Each time, it was a sharp pain followed by urinating in my pants (that second time there was a lot of that) and pressure. I never got unconscious though so I was lucky. Now when I almost died in a beach that was more painful. I had a near death experience with that. At one point I gave up and was going. I was given a choice and got enough strength to get away from the girls who were keeping me underwater. I got lucky to guess the right direction to crawl out of the water. I was sick with pneumonia for a few weeks after that. Once someone reaches the point where they are dying, it is merciful since there is a death experience (crossing over) and the pain ends. There was a tunnel and a light and someone saying if I go any further I couldn't come back. I was 18 and I chose to go back.
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Thanks so much for this post. I had read/seen things about near death and I knew about that (a true story about a man who was stabbed 16 times and was too busy with the light to feel it) but didn't want to go into that here so I am so glad you did. It gave me great hope that God even helps those who are dying so they can handle it. I am so sorry for everything you have endured. You have such great insight and have much to offer because of your sufferings. Now you're a favored child, there was a reason for you to keep on....God Bless You.

Pin, I am wondering, did the strangulation leave any marks or bruises on you for a while?

Perhaps in forensics they will be able to determine also traces of urine due to that discharge on strangulation.
 
  • #244
SharetheLight said:
In thinking about M's uncle's statement about "she WON'T be there unless . . ." was this interview done after Somer's body was found?
Maybe the statement to M didn't go exactly like that. Maybe he changed the wording for dramatic effect after he learned her body was found. That is if the interview was after the body was found. If the interview is prior to them finding her, then the statement stands out as odd to me.
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http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mostpo...to-Somer-Thompson/CghyE6_PfUGlZmOMcOl4sA.cspx

Story is dated 10-21: appears to be prior to LE locating her.
 
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You know how you go to sleep and get half-awake in a kind of twilight zone where thoughts are clear....

About murder by an SO discussion. It came to me that maybe one of the places Somer regularly ran to was the house of an SO. (Cookies and milk?) He may not have been on the "neighbor list" because it would be natural for him to tell her that their friendship was their special secret, it was special - even "magic". He listened to her problems, gave her hugs, was sympathetic to her being picked on, etc. Was SUCH a good friend. Promised her and bought her things. Let her play with his puppy. Whatever it took to keep her in his life.

At some point he started going further than hugs and said that was o-k too, just a way of being close, you know...petted her and pampered her and told her she was pretty.

Then perhaps at some point she became uncomfortable and told him to stop it. Well he couldn't at that point, so he starts threatening her not to tell, somebody could get hurt, etc. He thought she was ready to tell. By now, he knew her well enough to know all of her routines. He prepared himself to do it because he did not want to get caught. He chose a plan and a means of disposal. He grabbed her and did it. He did it during the day because that was the only time he had access to her to do it.

The question is, did anyone know of her visiting a person like this, or is there someone who nobody suspects because he is one of those "nice quiet guys" with no record? The type that went to the vigil and handed out fliers and cried real tears because she is gone.
 
  • #247
SharetheLight said:
In thinking about M's uncle's statement about "she WON'T be there unless . . ." was this interview done after Somer's body was found?
Maybe the statement to M didn't go exactly like that. Maybe he changed the wording for dramatic effect after he learned her body was found. That is if the interview was after the body was found. If the interview is prior to them finding her, then the statement stands out as odd to me.
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Seems I recall the statement was made before the body was found and that's why members here thought it was hinky, too. It was like, the little girl said she'd go ask Somer where she ran to, and Uncle said, you won't be able to" indicating she would be dead.
 
  • #248
Do we really know if Somer was compacted in the trash, or is this something we have speculated on because trash from dumpsters is routinely compacted before going to a landfill? Could she have reached the landfill in an intact or partially intact form? IDK.

We talked about this when we noted that her legs could be seen and she was partially covered by garbage. So if she was compacted, her legs were intact enough to identify her by birthmark, and in other reports, they say dental records also identified her. The funeral director I spoke to said that he had an experience preparing a person who had gone through this kind of trauma, and it is possible to restore the body to a state even acceptable for viewing. Perhaps it depends on how much she was compacted.

If she was not compacted, that would have an impact on how much forensic evidence (i.e., discerning she had been murdered by marks or wounds as we discussed) could be obtained at the scene. BTW I have seen a lot of residents who take a little fall and the next day their eyes are totally black and blue, so much they look like they were in a fight with somebody. So if she fell at any time, they might see this phenomenon as well.

Anyway one looks at it, it is so gruesome and unholy and just heart breaking. TIA for anyone's insight here.
 
  • #249
linagal said:
This is my first time posting here, but I have been following this closely since day 1. I found out about Somer's abduction through friends online that went to high school with me and with Sammy. I don't live in the same area as him anymore, but knew him pretty well in high school. He was just a good guy. I have heard him described as a gentle giant--a big football player who was just nice to everyone and seemed really kind. I think most of the coverage of him would confirm that he is still that kind of person.

This horrible thing didn't happen to me or my family, and I can't imagine the pain that DT and ST are going through, as well as Somer's brothers and sister. This case has really opened my eyes in a lot of ways. You hear about abductions and other evil acts in the news, and you feel bad but go on with your life. This time, one of the people involved is more than just a face and a name, and it really woke me up. You never think of this type of thing happening to yourself or someone you know, and then it does. It is frightening that this type of evil exists.

I know this is a rambling post, and I apologize for that. I just want to say to Sadnpod and any other posters or lurkers here that are personally affected by this that for every person you see on here there are many more out there who want justice for Somer and peace for you. I say a prayer for the LE officials investigating this crime, and hope that the person responsible is discovered soon so the family can start on the path to closure and healing.
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WELCOME!!! WELCOME!!! hang around and join in! Have you contacted sam?
 
  • #250
NSC said:
KC -- has this kid BL he says his is brother -- I don't think it is in hey "bro" == might from a previous marriage - there are pics on the myspace --First name ryhmes with Chilly.

GO to his myspace - he has a youtube video -- It think it is his or his friends account - you will see the video of his yellow car.

Guys, this could be nothing -- I am trying to straighten this all out in my own head.

Though, we did get confirmation on link between sitter and KC
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First name rhymes with chilly?
Huh? Khilly? LOL
 
  • #251
ChickenPants said:
Do we really know if Somer was compacted in the trash, or is this something we have speculated on because trash from dumpsters is routinely compacted before going to a landfill? Could she have reached the landfill in an intact or partially intact form? IDK.

We talked about this when we noted that her legs could be seen and she was partially covered by garbage. So if she was compacted, her legs were intact enough to identify her by birthmark, and in other reports, they say dental records also identified her. The funeral director I spoke to said that he had an experience preparing a person who had gone through this kind of trauma, and it is possible to restore the body to a state even acceptable for viewing. Perhaps it depends on how much she was compacted.

If she was not compacted, that would have an impact on how much forensic evidence (i.e., discerning she had been murdered by marks or wounds as we discussed) could be obtained at the scene. BTW I have seen a lot of residents who take a little fall and the next day their eyes are totally black and blue, so much they look like they were in a fight with somebody. So if she fell at any time, they might see this phenomenon as well.

Anyway one looks at it, it is so gruesome and unholy and just heart breaking. TIA for anyone's insight here.
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I have been wondering if you have had any further conversations with the funeral director. I found the post you had earlier that is gone now to have been useful.
I won't go into my thoughts about the condition I think Somer was found in because most posters know this already. I don't think she was horribly disfigured from compacting. As your friend has said even if that were the case, there is a lot that can be done to prepare a body for viewing by the family. I don't think the fact she was ID'd by dental records is any indication of her condition. Whether you dance around the wording or not, LE REQUESTED that the family not view the body. Any request given by law enforcement is not a "well you can if you want to" follow it sort of proposition in my mind. I saw it as having been given as an order overtones to it,
With that being the case, then dental records were used to formally identify as family members were prohibited from it.
This has always been a crucial fact in the case that precludes me from seeing that applying to an outsider or RSO etc., from being a serious suspect in the eyes of LE. More is learned by watching LE actions in this case than hanging on their every word. Most of what they will speak is designed to be purposefully vague and uninformative at this stage of the investigation.

ETA: I make a distinction here because there would be only ONE reason to keep close family members from a viewing. Whereas there might be many afterward to prevent a public viewing in this case.
 
  • #252
ChickenPants said:
The top of the list are the most prevalent offenders.
The bottom of the lest are the least frequent offenders.
Of child homicide. I have been looking at statistics for 3 days. Have to sort through long documents for what popped up on this simple list. ICD codes are commonly-used professional protocols. For example there is ICD protocols for diseases, etc. Don't ask me what ICD is lol it's been around since the dinosaurs.
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I am a coder and it stands for International Classification of Diseases
 
  • #253
Dr.Fessel said:
Originally Posted by Noway
Who else can we add to that list:

Bus driver
Cab driver
LE
Mailman (do they deliver in vehicles or is it walking route?)




Meter reader

Cable repair/instalation
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Telephone people, Census takers, Road construction, City (sewer ) people, Surveyors, Also I wonder if anyone had anything for sale like car, motercycle, boat ect that could have had a want ad in the paper maybe someone looking at said item?
 
  • #254
This is a raw, unedited video of a presser held after Somer's body discovered. It's worth watching and even taking notes on.

She says that the Gano house is NOT being called a murder scene, yet elsewhere it is the only place where significant evidence was culled.

She says that LE has even made "friends" with DT during the investigation.

She says that LE would be in charge of monitoring media coverage of funeral, but it was DT's decision.

Earlier, we asked about what FL ME did the autopsy. The autopsy was performed by Georgia ME. She says that they made it a "priority" and did it "quickly". There are a lot of interesting things she says, all the while maintaining that they will positively not give out any information about anything. Worth watching.

http://www.wftv.com/video/21406255/index.html
 
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maybe she did have a special "friend" that had been grooming her for a while. Maybe when she left M thats where she went like she had done before. If she was upset her "friend" probably had treats all ready for her all her fave things. This day he went to far she threatened to tell and he raped her then killed her. Waited until later and put her in a trash bag, and then to a dumpster. If it was right before trash day he would not have been noticied because he fits in so well in this neighborhood and seems to be a nice guy, boy next door type. IDK. Maybe when M said she would ask her where she goes she had seen her take off before. If thats the case she probably haden't stayed at his house for very long before due to the fact he didn't want her missed by anyone maybe only 30 mins or so but this day the unthinkable happened and he could no longer control himself, I wonder if LE tested any of her other clothes @ home (dirty ones) for any hairs like dog or cat hair or fibers she could have picked up at his house another day and maybe could compare to anything they found on her body. I truley think it is some one in that neighbor hood that seems like your normal Joe that had planned this for a while.I have always thought someone with out a car and that is why she was in a dumpster close to home.
 
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Hounds, in reply to your post. Dental records, I only added that to suggest that her head and face would possibly have been compacted/disfigured to the extent where it would preclude dental matching.

Re: Funeral director and your issues there.

The funeral director told me first that there were hardly ANY cases he knew of where the body could not be restored for viewing. They have cosmetics and prosthetics (similar to those used in movies, for example) which can be applied to mask almost any condition. Even partial compaction. We have to go outside of the box and realize that the body after autopsy is an empty shell and can be reconstructed.

Of course it is going to be traumatic for families of murder victims. He said, however, that funeral home routinely does encourage family to view - especially if it is a child - for closure. There is a protocol where the family is given total preparation beforehand. He stated that families have been known to sue if they claimed they were not "prepared" or "denied a chance" to view the body. He cited an instance where the deceased had been decomposed and the family threatened to sue because they said they weren't prepared for the "smell". So funeral homes have to be very careful to follow these protocols. He has also personally dealt with many murder victims (viewing, memorial, funeral) and with LE.

He said he personally knew of no instances where LE would deny the family the right to view. That in some instances, LE needs family to view for congruent identification purposes. So, I am not sure who DT meant when she said "they" weren't going to let her see Somer. I am not even sure who would "strongly encourage her" not to see Somer. Based on what he told me.

I will add my personal opinion (MOO) here. We know that Somer was found clothed, and at least her legs were intact (scraped knee) so she was not totally compacted. Was there compaction on upper body? Even so, according to C. (funeral director), she could be restored for viewing, as stated above.

I asked him why LE would take a white dress to the funeral home if the body was not suitable for viewing (compacted) and he said that the funeral homes ALWAYS dress a body for dignity purposes of the deceased, no matter what condition it is in. He said, "you would be amazed how many ways we have of dressing a body - the body is very pliable..." I found this very touching, that Somer was indeed dressed in her little white dress before she was laid to rest. Later, when I saw everyone in purple but Abby in white, I cried.

Sorry I have not spoken to him since. If anyone has any questions, he told me I could call him any time. He is the funeral home director of two homes - a family business and a long standing respected business in our community.

Hope this helps.
 
  • #259
houndstooth said:
I have been wondering if you have had any further conversations with the funeral director. I found the post you had earlier that is gone now to have been useful.
I won't go into my thoughts about the condition I think Somer was found in because most posters know this already. I don't think she was horribly disfigured from compacting. As your friend has said even if that were the case, there is a lot that can be done to prepare a body for viewing by the family. I don't think the fact she was ID'd by dental records is any indication of her condition. Whether you dance around the wording or not, LE REQUESTED that the family not view the body. Any request given by law enforcement is not a "well you can if you want to" follow it sort of proposition in my mind. I saw it as having been given as an order overtones to it,
With that being the case, then dental records were used to formally identify as family members were prohibited from it.
This has always been a crucial fact in the case that precludes me from seeing that applying to an outsider or RSO etc., from being a serious suspect in the eyes of LE. More is learned by watching LE actions in this case than hanging on their every word. Most of what they will speak is designed to be purposefully vague and uninformative at this stage of the investigation.

ETA: I make a distinction here because there would be only ONE reason to keep close family members from a viewing. Whereas there might be many afterward to prevent a public viewing in this case.
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I know that DT stated that "they" would not let her see Somer. I don't know if she was referring to LE or funeral home or both.

Significantly, I don't recall seeing a presser or reading anything that indicated LE stated they'd requested the family not view the body. Do we have a link somewhere? If not, I would like to know who the "they" was...? Can you help me out here? TIA
 
  • #260
ChickenPants said:
UNBELIEVABLE....I never saw this one before, either! Well, maybe I (we) did but it is addressing some issues we are talking about right now. Sheriff gives details of how they identified Somer. He says they "really don't know" how she died, but he looked down when he said it, and I took it as "we have strong suspicions" but don't know/want to say.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/cb-TeP1SFDl_3Ef_kjmWpbKGMWz6_O5yRuK/fl_sheriff_on_identifying_somer/
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A few observations:

"Detectives uncovered the body...."

"...identified by birthmark, clothing and evidence on the knee(?)"

"....ordered detectives to (follow and) sort through the garbage trucks as the garbage came in..."and he says if they had not done that, she would have been buried under tons of garbage.

So...they found her as the garbage came in, by sorting through the garbage trucks....so they found her in one of the garbage trucks, not in the landfill. Am I hearing this correctly? Then they know which truck she was in, from which dumpster(s), correct? Your comments, please.
 
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