FL - Somer Thompson, 7, Orange Park, 19 Oct 2009 #33

[ChickenPants]

A child's perspective on running away:

http://kidshealth.org/kid/grow/tough_topics/running_away.html

 

[ChickenPants]

Regarding Gano House:

it could be the REAL last seen location. Remember, the press reported this as a crime scene for AWHILE until it changed later -maybe this is just one of the crime scenes- more than one network reported this, remember the chaos. According to this article, they would have to cover this regardless if the murder took place here or not. My guess this really is last place Somer was accounted for after LE finished interviweing withnesses etc... -and has potential to be the murder scene as well-- this a clue from LE as far as I am concerned. After reading this report - They would not spend all this time here if Somer was accounted for somewhere else at a later time without getting further confirmation that she was seen at this house at a later time - guessing. UNLESS, they are able to confirm that V guy was there that day and it is all on a technicality due to RSO status- but even so - do you think they had crime scene people out at all the RSO homes, taking fibers etc etc.. Prob not, they did searches - It makes me wonder if she did have intial contact with her killer at the gano house or if she was killed inside I am thinking she was dumped closeby in a desolate area into a contractor garbage bag--this could have thrown off the dogs initially -- if her scent was picked up on at Gano and taken by car -- they lost the scent -- only to possible regain it later at the dump site where they either found her body, some sort of evidence or an empty dumpster---

The problem for me with the theory of murder/leave or move body/re-locate body is and always has been the short time period in which the murder occurred (daylight); LE being called to the scene by twilight, and the place crawling with LE and volunteers searching. This would make it difficult if not impossible for a perp to go get her body and dispose of it at whatever site. Each activity increases his likelihood of being caught. Unless he had left her in his car, perhaps covered with a blanket, and then he could have driven to Georgia by himself. Does anyone agree with this?

 

[human]

The problem for me with the theory of murder/leave or move body/re-locate body is and always has been the short time period in which the murder occurred (daylight); LE being called to the scene by twilight, and the place crawling with LE and volunteers searching. This would make it difficult if not impossible for a perp to go get her body and dispose of it at whatever site. Each activity increases his likelihood of being caught. Unless he had left her in his car, perhaps covered with a blanket, and then he could have driven to Georgia by himself. Does anyone agree with this?

"No." I don't believe that the perp drove her to Georgia. I don't think that there is any way into the landfill.

I think that the landfill is very locked up and secure. And then he would have to drop tons of garbage on her.

Can't see it.

But I agree that the disposal is a problem. But if it was garbage day, and she was in a construction bag, other posters have pointed out that no one would notice someone putting garbage into a dumpster. It's a normal activity for garbage day being the next day.

 

[sadnpod]

Hi there everyone

 

[New1]

Hello Sad,

Are we the only two?

 

[Noway]

My prayers go out to all those who love Somer.

 

[houndstooth]

My prayers go out to all those who love Somer.

I saw others here who are devoted to finding Justice.
Rhyme and Reason and Nandee. Would you do the honors?
Thank you.

 

[Emma Peel]

I'm here for Somer every day too. Me and my candle we watch for her justice to be served. Appreciate all those who post for her every day. Never give up!

 

[Chili Fries]

The problem for me with the theory of murder/leave or move body/re-locate body is and always has been the short time period in which the murder occurred (daylight); LE being called to the scene by twilight, and the place crawling with LE and volunteers searching. This would make it difficult if not impossible for a perp to go get her body and dispose of it at whatever site. Each activity increases his likelihood of being caught.

That's why I think there are two likely scenarios:

- The perp lured her into his car and took her somewhere private where he committed the molestation and murder.

- The perp snatched her or attacked her near his house, maybe in his backyard or right next to his condo. This would obviously include the possibility of a juvenile perp.

 

[ChickenPants]

That's why I think there are two likely scenarios:

- The perp lured her into his car and took her somewhere private where he committed the molestation and murder.

- The perp snatched her or attacked her near his house, maybe in his backyard or right next to his condo. This would obviously include the possibility of a juvenile perp.

Following your lead...

Where in her wanderings do you think the perp could have lured her into a car...if he commited molest/murder somewhere private, where in proximity to dumpsters do you think this would be? Or do you think he put her back into his car and drove to another dumpster? To me, the luring, attacking in another area, murder and dumping all say: It's broad daylight and the clock is ticking and pretty soon people will be all over the place.

#2 Now I am thinking of my earlier post - We know Somer ran ahead and ran off before. Out of many instances, there must have been some routine to it. So where would the perp have snatched and attacked her - near his house (condo)? If he is RSO he's been "ruled out". So is this a person who lives on a route in the after-school walks who people do not suspect is a SO (is unregistered) and again, what would be the common-sense speculation on a timeline, murder, relocation of body to dumpster? This perp would have to be familiar with her running off, been able to lure her into a private area, snatched her (without drawing attention or making noise) and the rest.
Could it be someone in a family (neighbor) she routinely visited? And if so, were the rest of the family gone? Would we assume LE has taken a close look at any unmarried, 20-something and possibly unemployed males who live in the area? Because statistics (FBI) say that this is the median age for child molesters.

What is so sad to me - and it happens all of the time - is that when child molesters or killers are arrested, the neighbors always say they would have never suspected or believed it! This person was always a polite, friendly and quiet sort of guy! But I guess the opposite would be profiling of these single unemployed males and then the ACLU would cry foul.

 

[ChickenPants]

It seems true to me that the likelihood of Somer being lured or going willingly into a car is greater because a car would block out any noise or struggle....

However, I still think a crime could have been perpetrated quickly, behind a house, with no sexual assault, by a quick blow to the head or smothering. Sorry to be graphic. If she was grabbed while walking - a large, strong male grabbed her from behind and clamped his hand over her mouth, she would not be able to scratch, kick or hit him back - the only thing she could do is bite his hand and possibly not even that. Whether walking or being taken out of a car, the perp has to take more time for a sexual assault, and it seems likely he would not be able to do this outside or even in Gano house without huge risk of detection. This is why IMO it was a crime of anger, retribution or other than sexually motivated.

The only other issue is how to get rid of the body - place her in a dumpster - in broad daylight or twilight, and that's the problem for anyone who could have done this. I just don't think it is possible that a perp could have dumped her later once LE was on the scene.

It seems to be a lot about the time of day and the timeline - how much activity and moving around could have happened?

 

[ChickenPants]

Starting back at square one: Everyone is a suspect.

Somer routinely ran off.
We don't know if she routinely got into fights or squabbles with other children.
We don't know why she routinely ran off. Mom mentioned she was "picked on a lot" and "didn't want to go to school that day."

There exists a list of neighbors homes who she routinely went to. There aren't any other documents existing that I know of about where else she might have been headed.

In her routine, she had her favorite places to run. This included going to other neighbors houses, looking for other children to play with, playing with puppies, liking water, treehouses, etc., all according to various accounts and interview statements.

Who, besides AT, her two brothers, the persons interviewed, her mom, CPC, grandparents, SP some of her little friends, would know about Somer's routines and her special places? It would have to be someone familiar with her or someone who had been watching for a long time. It would have to be someone who knew any or all of the places she ran to.

Why should this day be different than any other day? It was not, until the murder. She did not make it to her special place and she did not go home (?)

To get to her favorite places, what routes take her there? Had the killer followed her there and watched her, or did he know about it from overhearing or being told?

What is the likelihood that Somer would go willingly with a total stranger into a car or walk with him to a secluded area? IN broad daylight, with no struggle, in a place where there would be people or a chance that people would show up?

Was the killer a stranger who grabbed her on her walk that day? Someone who had been watching her go to these various places (because a stranger would not be able to predict which place she would run to)?

Or was the killer someone who knew her - whom she followed willingly to a place secluded enough to be killed without noise or being seen?

The fact that she was abducted and disappeared during the day - is so strange. Because the killer (if she was killed during the day) was taking a huge chance of being caught - even in a place like a park.

If she was abducted, held in a house and killed later - the house would have had to be empty. There remains the problem of disposing of her without being seen. The killer had to be a person angry enough to kill her and confident enough to take a chance of putting her in a dumpster without being seen.

An autopsy would show the time of death, say, whether she died at approx. 4:00 p.m. or 11:00 p.m. They can determine that by something as simple as stomach contents. Even after being in a landfill, a thorough analysis of any clothing fibers could indicate if she had been dragged, her clothing torn in certain direction, etc.

Can anyone help me with these questions? TIA I know LE and forensics are working hard, but I want to know.

 

[eyes4crime]

Remembering a few of the beautiful qualities of little Somer -
BBM
In an interview with the Associated Press outside an Orange Park restaurant, Samuel Thompson said he was devastated by his daughter's death.

"My little girl is in heaven now. She doesn't have to deal with this wicked world we live in," he said.

Thompson said he agrees that his daughter was a hugger.

"She could squeeze you and make you feel like there was no greater love in the world," he said.

The pastor said Somer loved to dance, play dress up, draw and color.

"She had a creative mind and was very imaginative," he said. "She loved people and she loved animals."

http://blog.al.com/live/2009/10/somer_thompson_funeral_mourner.html

 

[Chili Fries]

Following your lead...

Where in her wanderings do you think the perp could have lured her into a car...if he commited molest/murder somewhere private, where in proximity to dumpsters do you think this would be? Or do you think he put her back into his car and drove to another dumpster? To me, the luring, attacking in another area, murder and dumping all say: It's broad daylight and the clock is ticking and pretty soon people will be all over the place.

#2 Now I am thinking of my earlier post - We know Somer ran ahead and ran off before. Out of many instances, there must have been some routine to it. So where would the perp have snatched and attacked her - near his house (condo)? If he is RSO he's been "ruled out". So is this a person who lives on a route in the after-school walks who people do not suspect is a SO (is unregistered) and again, what would be the common-sense speculation on a timeline, murder, relocation of body to dumpster? This perp would have to be familiar with her running off, been able to lure her into a private area, snatched her (without drawing attention or making noise) and the rest.
Could it be someone in a family (neighbor) she routinely visited? And if so, were the rest of the family gone? Would we assume LE has taken a close look at any unmarried, 20-something and possibly unemployed males who live in the area? Because statistics (FBI) say that this is the median age for child molesters.

I think if she were lured into a car the most likely candidate would be Grove Park Drive because GPD is the only though street. A through street may be more attractive to a cruising pedophile because it would allow him to leave the area quickly and not get trapped down a dead end. A through street is also a normal traffic route, he might have just been a pedophile driving along who noticed Somer in an isolated area and decided to attack without the premeditation of cruising a school area. It may have just been happenstance.

I've believed for a while that the area on GPD about 200 feet south of Gano is a possible spot. It only has houses on one side of the road so it does seem kind of secluded. Somer could have left the Gano house, cut through the corner yard and gone south on GPD without being noticed by the crossing guard or other children.

To add to your second point. It could have also been a crime of rage perpetrated by a juvenile. We don't know for sure if she was sexually molested. Or it could have just been somebody who saw her in his or his neighbor's backyard or walking behind his condo or something like that. It doesn't have to be someone she was familiar with, although that is obviously a possibility too. He could have brought her into his house, killed her, put her in his car and taken her to a dumpster.

The fact is that there seem to be no witnesses or physical evidence left by the perp. That can mean he was very crafty or just very lucky.

 

[ChickenPants]

I think if she were lured into a car the most likely candidate would be Grove Park Drive because GPD is the only though street. A through street may be more attractive to a cruising pedophile because it would allow him to leave the area quickly and not get trapped down a dead end. A through street is also a normal traffic route, he might have just been a pedophile driving along who noticed Somer in an isolated area and decided to attack without the premeditation of cruising a school area. It may have just been happenstance.

I've believed for a while that the area on GPD about 200 feet south of Gano is a possible spot. It only has houses on one side of the road so it does seem kind of secluded. Somer could have left the Gano house, cut through the corner yard and gone south on GPD without being noticed by the crossing guard or other children.

To add to your second point. It could have also been a crime of rage perpetrated by a juvenile. We don't know for sure if she was sexually molested. Or it could have just been somebody who saw her in his or his neighbor's backyard or walking behind his condo or something like that. It doesn't have to be someone she was familiar with, although that is obviously a possibility too. He could have brought her into his house, killed her, put her in his car and taken her to a dumpster.

The fact is that there seem to be no witnesses or physical evidence left by the perp. That can mean he was very crafty or just very lucky.

Thanks A LOT. I am not familiar with the streets, etc., and don't do well with maps. All of your theories make sense to me. I wonder why, though, about someone seeing her walking in the backyard, etc. Pedophile, wouldn't need a motive, would be a SO, not registered, don't you think? Crime of rage, juvenile...have to think of a motive. What juvenile would be so enraged and why? This has been discussed with theory of incest or Somer threatening to tell "something".

I have given a lot of thought to Dr. F's theory of 27 year old unemployed single male living alone also. Stats back that up. I keep getting stuck on her history and the family dynamics, the unanswered discrepancies in testimony, the one-time only babysitter who never babysat before...confusing. I am more of a big-picture person and IMO would not be a good detective because I don't do well with tiny details. So again, thanks.

 

[ChickenPants]

It is coming up on three months since Somer was murdered. I will refer to perp as (he/him) as example only.

If the perp was a SO - pedophile unregistered (he) has a brain wired to commit this type of crime again. There is no known medication to stop him, and no cure for the disease. It is an addiction just the same as drugs. The need to do it again is stronger than any remorse over having done it...the community remains at danger. Since he's unregistered people don't know he is a SO. There should be danger reminders from LE to the community on a regular basis. The fundraisers could continue to help with these reminders?

If the perp is a criminal who has hurt others (and children) before, eventually he will hurt someone else, because he has an anger problem. One would hope LE is watching this person (undercover?) People with repeat criminal behavior don't usually hurt children, though, do they? I don't know. Somebody please help with this career criminal theory.

If it is a one-time murder comitted by someone with no previous criminal behavior, then this was directed at Somer only. Someone lost (his) temper and killed her. The person had to have a motive to kill her. That person has blended back into life and is dealing with that fact. Either that person has justified (his) actions and filed the incident away in order to get through life, or the person is haunted by remorse.

Hopefully LE is continuing to watch and re-interview everyone with a chance that the person will keep the actions in the conscious mind or finally give it up, wanting to confess it and get it over with.

MOO

 

[ChickenPants]

Remembering a few of the beautiful qualities of little Somer -
BBM
In an interview with the Associated Press outside an Orange Park restaurant, Samuel Thompson said he was devastated by his daughter's death.

"My little girl is in heaven now. She doesn't have to deal with this wicked world we live in," he said.

Thompson said he agrees that his daughter was a hugger.

"She could squeeze you and make you feel like there was no greater love in the world," he said.

The pastor said Somer loved to dance, play dress up, draw and color.

"She had a creative mind and was very imaginative," he said. "She loved people and she loved animals."

http://blog.al.com/live/2009/10/somer_thompson_funeral_mourner.html

A loving, innocent little thing - seven years old - seen twirling down the street after school, wanted to make everybody feel good (better). People have asked here why she would say "good job!" to a construction worker, but to me it seems just the kind of thing she would say or do. Spontaneous and totally trusting. The kind of little girl who didn't like "ugly" and would run off to find something pretty to do or think about. Wanted to be a ballerina, a heart that loved and wanted to be loved.

IMO somebody cruel and ruthless took her out of this often-ugly world. The only consolation is she can have all of the beauty her little soul wants, now.

 

[ChickenPants]

If you are a bully and a fight-starter, you will hang around other tough kids, and you will never, ever run away.

If you are being picked on, you may fight back, and you probably will run off, eventually.

If you have been picked on or in a fight, and you run off, what is the likelihood you will run right over to the first friendly person who seems kind or is "on your side"?

If you've been in a few fights, and have run off several times, and have caused people a lot of anxiety trying to find you, could you get into trouble for this?

Where did Somer run, and who did she go to? And for what reason?

 

[NSC]

Morning Yall -- sorry havent been posting -- we been DIGGING hard and some things are starting to come together. I do not think DT did to somer directly.

However, I think we need to look REAL hard at drug connections. Also at KC house as well -- some connections out there with the people we have all sleuthed.

Have you seen all the meth labs that have been busted???

 

[linagal]

This is my first time posting here, but I have been following this closely since day 1. I found out about Somer's abduction through friends online that went to high school with me and with Sammy. I don't live in the same area as him anymore, but knew him pretty well in high school. He was just a good guy. I have heard him described as a gentle giant--a big football player who was just nice to everyone and seemed really kind. I think most of the coverage of him would confirm that he is still that kind of person.

This horrible thing didn't happen to me or my family, and I can't imagine the pain that DT and ST are going through, as well as Somer's brothers and sister. This case has really opened my eyes in a lot of ways. You hear about abductions and other evil acts in the news, and you feel bad but go on with your life. This time, one of the people involved is more than just a face and a name, and it really woke me up. You never think of this type of thing happening to yourself or someone you know, and then it does. It is frightening that this type of evil exists.

I know this is a rambling post, and I apologize for that. I just want to say to Sadnpod and any other posters or lurkers here that are personally affected by this that for every person you see on here there are many more out there who want justice for Somer and peace for you. I say a prayer for the LE officials investigating this crime, and hope that the person responsible is discovered soon so the family can start on the path to closure and healing.