FL - Somer Thompson, 7, Orange Park, 19 Oct 2009 #33

[NSC]

Be careful what you put down as a fact.I don't think it was ever proven a fact Somers mother kept her father away from the children.

Maybe not on paper yet -- but I am sure this will also come to light in due time -- just like everything else that was just a "rumor" --

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Maybe not on paper yet -- but I am sure this will also come to light in due time -- just like everything else that was just a "rumor" --

We'll see.

 

[NSC]

How did she not let him be part of their lifes?[/Q


well let's see. she stated herself on national TV that when ask if ST was coming to town "DT" stated not to stay with me he isn't. it is no secret that she did not allow ST to be a part of these children's live's. he had not seen them in over 2 year's. i am a mother myself and if the father of my children lived some where other then with me, i would do everything in my power to make sure that they are a part of their father's life whether i like it or not. it is not about how it would effect me but how it would effect my children. all children have the right to be a part of both parent's live's unless they are just down right unfit.

Because OF COURSE it has always been about her!! her daughter is missing and it is still about her --- Not her kids -- Common sense and basic observation show this -- I have a feeling it is only going to get worse for DT when more and more facts start to flood into public light--

 

[NSC]

We'll see.

Yes - we WILL see, sadly.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

At the time of this report there were TWO 6yr olds and a 9yr old all in the same situation.
It is curious to me why only S having afterschool care was an issue. Despite the fact that lil ST admitted to being lost and AT thought beneath the radar so much that she wasn't even spoken to by the social workers. Hindsight is 20/20. But why were they so precient back then one wonders to know why only S should be of concern. There is something missing in this story that was redacted from that report. I wonder what.

It kind of sounds like what ever happened happened maybe with these other children and just with ST?this was with Somer?Maybe the social worker didn't get the whole story before she reported this.I don't know what happened.But it was investigated and found to be unfounded.

 

[sadnpod]

To all of you it is a rumor that she didnt allow the kids to see ST. But to me it is a fact. I saw it myself, St held out his arms to AT, and she said, "I can't daddy, mom told me I cant".

When he spoke to lil ST he was told by DT "Not to start". Although I didnt see him "start" anything. He was just reaching out to his son who was in obvious pain and she was more concerned with not allowing this contact than her son receiving the comfort he needed that she was not offering.

And of course, this is a rumor...because the only proof I have is my word. And this is thru my perspective and my opinion. Again I await for anyone who was there to offer another view.

Please, besides her being afraid of them being kidnapped with LE all around us and ST in a wheelchair.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

It is so interesting - fact or rumor - whatever - some posters who knew the family made slight references to some of this type behavior/issues way back in the earlier threads and were lynched for it for being a rumor starter - now it is in a news article -- Nothing shocking about this in the least -

The reason the other kids are NOT mentioned is because they are still ALIVE therefore details of them can be released - as far as the reports are concerned.

What type of behaviors/issuse?

 

[NSC]

There are some really excellent posts today on First Coast news --

One poster in particular made a great point - DCF needs their case to stand in court and this is hard to prove without obvious marks of abuse on the children. I think that is what a lot of us have been trying to convey.

The court of public opinion is turning - people also seem irritated - I am not one for thinking DT did this deed herself - however, is this some type of warm up for the court of public opinion for what is to come?? Killer is a connection to the family or siblings due to lack of supervision? I don't know what to think --- it could go both ways, IMO

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Yes - we WILL see, sadly.

I'm sorry.I really don't see anything.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

How did she not let him be part of their lifes?[/Q


well let's see. she stated herself on national TV that when ask if ST was coming to town "DT" stated not to stay with me he isn't. it is no secret that she did not allow ST to be a part of these children's live's. he had not seen them in over 2 year's. i am a mother myself and if the father of my children lived some where other then with me, i would do everything in my power to make sure that they are a part of their father's life whether i like it or not. it is not about how it would effect me but how it would effect my children. all children have the right to be a part of both parent's live's unless they are just down right unfit.

I always blamed that on him because he said on national tv he was going to go take the kids away from DT. I have seen no evidence she kept him away from the kids up to that point he made that threat. Do you have any?

 

[NSC]

What type of behaviors/issuse?

Incidents would be a better word I believe -- you would have to DIG way back into the earlier threads if the info is still even there.

 

[sadnpod]

It kind of sounds like what ever happened happened maybe with these other children and just with ST?this was with Somer?Maybe the social worker didn't get the whole story before she reported this.I don't know what happened.But it was investigated and found to be unfounded.

Whatever happened with the other children cannot be reported due to the other childrens records are not public simply because they are still alive. (thank God) This report looks to me like several reports rolled into one article.

Unfounded does not mean untrue.

IMO

 

[New1]

I'd like to add, there are a lot of fathers on disability who still provide for their children.
There is no excuse for him not supporting them financially.
There is no excuse that he did not have a clue what was going on with them for 2 years.
I know he is disabled, but he found a way to get to Florida for Somer's funeral...why not before?

CPC not paying his child support is not an issue here IMO because it has nothing to do with DT's children. They are not CPCs children. They are ST's children.

Of course, that MOO

IMO it does not make DT look any less negligent to point out that ST was negligent too. As far as that goes, we have no facts to say that he didn't pay child support, just that DT says he didn't, he says he did. I don't know if you have to pay child support until the divorce is final. In a legal separation while going through a divorce, I would think that the child support issue would be settled at that time, but if they had no legal separation drawn up, then the child support might start when the divorce was finalized - which was just recently.

ST being in the military, it's hard for me to believe he didn't pay child support if ordered to, because that is one thing the military REQUIRES you to do. Plus, DT living near a naval base, she and all the kids were entitled to have a military ID card. Her's would be voided when the divorce was final, but the kids could still have one as long as ST was in the military or retired on disability until they became 18 or (24, if attending college). The kids' ID card would have entitled them to health care at the naval base or any other military health facility, so that is part of their support. Now, I do not know if they had this or not, because I do not know the circumstances of ST getting out of the military. I don't know if he just voluntarily got out or was medically discharged. If he was medically discharged, depending on the percentage of disability, I think he would still be able to keep his military ID card and have one for his kids - if say, it was a 100% disability.

As for ST not being able to visit the kids before Somer died, we don't know the reason for that either. I remember hearing that he did not have the funds to go to the funeral and donations were made for that purpose and a van provided. I don't think people would have made these donations for him to visit the kids if one of them had not been killed.

It just seems like these poor kids were not too well cared for by anyone. Of course, that is only my opinion from what I have heard and read. I have no way of knowing if reports are true.

 

[NSC]

Whatever happened with the other children cannot be reported due to the other childrens records are not public simply because they are still alive. (thank God) This report looks to me like several reports rolled into one article.

Unfounded does not mean untrue.

IMO

I know - it is like the word of god around here - founded VS unfounded - How many child sex offenders/rapists that are guilty are found not guilty because it is unfounded or not enough evidence in a particular case to convict -- only after raping or molesting other kids with enough FOUNDED evidence are they convicted -- So many more victims when it could have been prevented -- :banghead:

 

[Ms Suzanne]

How did she not let him be part of their lifes?[/Q


well let's see. she stated herself on national TV that when ask if ST was coming to town "DT" stated not to stay with me he isn't. it is no secret that she did not allow ST to be a part of these children's live's. he had not seen them in over 2 year's. i am a mother myself and if the father of my children lived some where other then with me, i would do everything in my power to make sure that they are a part of their father's life whether i like it or not. it is not about how it would effect me but how it would effect my children. all children have the right to be a part of both parent's live's unless they are just down right unfit.

She said he wasn't staying with her.That's very understandable.They were seperated.Apparantly it was the police who told him not to come down?

 

[Dr.Fessel]

A counselor?

Maybe they are called social workers there. Kids go to counselors. I keep thinking this was something a mother told a child to go report.

 

[houndstooth]

It kind of sounds like what ever happened happened maybe with these other children and just with ST?this was with Somer?Maybe the social worker didn't get the whole story before she reported this.I don't know what happened.But it was investigated and found to be unfounded.

So you think S alone was the cause of DT being investigated by DFCS.
And considering she did not "follow up" on recommendations, I think she might not have fully appreciated this whole being investigated thing.

 

[sadnpod]

I always blamed that on him because he said on national tv he was going to go take the kids away from DT. I have seen no evidence she kept him away from the kids up to that point he made that threat. Do you have any?

I have been told this by ST. I saw it at the funeral. I have been told this by DT (ST's mom) and LH, that they could not see them or talk to them. NONE of their paternal family.

This was before somers death. What reason would they have to lie?

 

[RainyDaze]

To all of you it is a rumor that she didnt allow the kids to see ST. But to me it is a fact. I saw it myself, St held out his arms to AT, and she said, "I can't daddy, mom told me I cant".

When he spoke to lil ST he was told by DT "Not to start". Although I didnt see him "start" anything. He was just reaching out to his son who was in obvious pain and she was more concerned with not allowing this contact than her son receiving the comfort he needed that she was not offering.

And of course, this is a rumor...because the only proof I have is my word. And this is thru my perspective and my opinion. Again I await for anyone who was there to offer another view.

Please, besides her being afraid of them being kidnapped with LE all around us and ST in a wheelchair.

this truly BREAKS my HEART to know that she would not allow those children to be with there father when they truly needed him the most. this really make's my tears flow for these beautiful children.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

To all of you it is a rumor that she didnt allow the kids to see ST. But to me it is a fact. I saw it myself, St held out his arms to AT, and she said, "I can't daddy, mom told me I cant".

When he spoke to lil ST he was told by DT "Not to start". Although I didnt see him "start" anything. He was just reaching out to his son who was in obvious pain and she was more concerned with not allowing this contact than her son receiving the comfort he needed that she was not offering.

And of course, this is a rumor...because the only proof I have is my word. And this is thru my perspective and my opinion. Again I await for anyone who was there to offer another view.

Please, besides her being afraid of them being kidnapped with LE all around us and ST in a wheelchair.

I'm sorry.I'll have to hear the whole story here from everyone.