FL - Somer Thompson, 7, Orange Park, 19 Oct 2009 #33

[RainyDaze]

I have been told this by ST. I saw it at the funeral. I have been told this by DT (ST's mom) and LH, that they could not see them or talk to them. NONE of their paternal family.

This was before somers death. What reason would they have to lie?

SAD, this was not posted by me... someone else posted this, i am all for the fact that this father had no right's to his children.

 

[sadnpod]

She said he wasn't staying with her.That's very understandable.They were seperated.Apparantly it was the police who told him not to come down?

The police advised him not to come yet.. when she was missing. They did not tell him not to, only that there was nothing he could do at that point. LE also made it clear that DT had already told them she would not allow him to see the other children if he did come.

My edit: sorry again rainy... this was in response to MS Suzanne.

 

[sadnpod]

SAD, this was not posted by me... someone else posted this, i am all for the fact that this father had no right's to his children.

Sorry rainy... I thought I was posting to the good Doc..:waitasec:

 

[Ms Suzanne]

So you think S alone was the cause of DT being investigated by DFCS.
And considering she did not "follow up" on recommendations, I think she might not have fully appreciated this whole being investigated thing.

I don't know what happened here.I'm trying to figure it out.were all these 3?children together when this happened.Again it was not recommended for day care.It was agreed she would not have to have it if it caused a finacial burden.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I have been told this by ST. I saw it at the funeral. I have been told this by DT (ST's mom) and LH, that they could not see them or talk to them. NONE of their paternal family.

This was before somers death. What reason would they have to lie?

A messy divorce with lots of child support involved?

 

[RainyDaze]

She said he wasn't staying with her.That's very understandable.They were seperated.Apparantly it was the police who told him not to come down?

i can understand her saying that he was not going to stay with her, it was the way she said it and the SMIRK she had on her face when she did. it was almost like a DIG on her part.

 

[RainyDaze]

Sorry rainy... I thought I was posting to the good Doc..:waitasec:

No problem sad!!

 

[Ms Suzanne]

I always blamed that on him because he said on national tv he was going to go take the kids away from DT. I have seen no evidence she kept him away from the kids up to that point he made that threat. Do you have any?

My heart does go out to him.But I thought this was one of cruelist things to do and it was not appropiate at all at that time to do.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

i can understand her saying that he was not going to stay with her, it was the way she said it and the SMIRK she had on her face when she did. it was almost like a DIG on her part.

Did ST smirk when he made the comment about coming and taking all her kids?

 

[dar107]

Maybe not on paper yet -- but I am sure this will also come to light in due time -- just like everything else that was just a "rumor" --

Well, there was a statement on a previous thread, by a person who knows DT, that ST was physically abusive. Maybe this "rumor" was documented at some point as well. Hopefully, if this is true, it will as well be proven as a fact, which would explain the anamosity that DT feels toward ST. This would have no bearing on finding out who murdered this little girl, but as the convo here is more about slandering DT on how horrible she is for keeping a father from his children, thought I would make that point.

IMO this article has no bearing to what happened the day Somer was taken from all those who loved her. I am apalled that the newspaper published this story, regardless of the reporters reasonings.IMO a sick twisted person saw a little girl alone and snatched her in broad daylight. It will not be the first time or the last, so sadly. Whoever did this is the SOLE person that bears responsibility.

 

[nursebeeme]

I don't know what happened here.I'm trying to figure it out.were all these 3?children together when this happened.Again it was not recommended for day care.It was agreed she would not have to have it if it caused a finacial burden.

and this is what is sad about a case being unfounded when it should be founded. if the kids were in aftercare that day Somer would still be here.

It is not coincidental to me that the very thing that DCF investigated these children for is the very thing that happened the day Somer was killed.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

this truly BREAKS my HEART to know that she would not allow those children to be with there father when they truly needed him the most. this really make's my tears flow for these beautiful children.

I don't believe this is fact.I will have to hear this from all sides.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Whatever happened with the other children cannot be reported due to the other childrens records are not public simply because they are still alive. (thank God) This report looks to me like several reports rolled into one article.

Unfounded does not mean untrue.

IMO

Unfounded means nothing was found.If it is found unfounded they actually feel it's a false allegation.These people are trained to find something if it is there and nothing was found.They closed the case.

 

[RainyDaze]

I always blamed that on him because he said on national tv he was going to go take the kids away from DT. I have seen no evidence she kept him away from the kids up to that point he made that threat. Do you have any?

I honestly don't think he meant this as a threat. and he never said he was going to take them away from her. he stated that he wanted to take them back home with him where they would be safe. i'm sure any parent in his situation would have said the same thing. no, i do not have any evidence per say, her action's with her other children, her lifestyle, heR choice of word's, her body language. i could go on and on. what better time to allow him to see them now when they need him the most? can you answer that? TIA.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

and this is what is sad about a case being unfounded when it should be founded. if the kids were in aftercare that day Somer would still be here.

It is not coincidental to me that the very thing that DCF investigated these children for is the very thing that happened the day Somer was killed.

You know I feel this coincidence really needs investigated and hope the police are. Orange park has a very low murder rate from what I have seen. I would like to know how close this report was made to the time DT hooked up with her bf.

 

[houndstooth]

Since only S was obviously the subject of this investigation I hope there were not any bad repercussions. Hopefully DT was not the kind of person to hold a grudge when she is being held under such personal scrutiny by the school councelor, and by a State agency for children's welfare and wellbeing.

I wonder if she was called by the school for S fighting that day? Not DT was being called into question again for bad parenting by the school!

The article said DT has had to endure so much of that you know. Never mind what S might have endured, I suppose.

 

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Not based on fact or sound evidence; groundless. See Synonyms at baseless.

Not yet established.

un·found'ed·ly adv., un·found'ed·ness n.

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[Ms Suzanne]

The police advised him not to come yet.. when she was missing. They did not tell him not to, only that there was nothing he could do at that point. LE also made it clear that DT had already told them she would not allow him to see the other children if he did come.

My edit: sorry again rainy... this was in response to MS Suzanne.

I'm sorry.I haven't heard LE say that.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I honestly don't think he meant this as a threat. and he never said he was going to take them away from her. he stated that he wanted to take them back home with him where they would be safe. i'm sure any parent in his situation would have said the same thing. no, i do not have any evidence per say, her action's with her other children, her lifestyle, heR choice of word's, her body language. i could go on and on. what better time to allow him to see them now when they need him the most? can you answer that? TIA.

Messy divorce? someone making threats? Who knows what has gone on between them in the past and now.

 

[sadnpod]

A messy divorce with lots of child support involved?

Again I reiterate... child support is not a payment made to visit.. to talk to them. What would this have to do with their grandparents talking to them, much less seeing them or their aunt and uncle?

There were no divorce proceedings yet, nothing messy, and no proof that he did not support them.

As a grandmother, I dont think my sons behavior should be used for or against me in having a relationship with my grandchildren, unless of course, I am unfit, or the mother wants to be spiteful and vindictive.

STs parents are respected, law abiding citizens in their community. They have a church family as is his sister and her husband. I have seen nothing unfit about them.