FL - Somer Thompson, 7, Orange Park, 19 Oct 2009 #33

[NSC]

OT Kinda:

"A mother's love for her child is like nothing else in the world. It knows no law, no pity, it dares all things and crushes down remorselessly all that stands in its path." - Agatha Christie

 

[sadnpod]

I'm sorry.I haven't heard LE say that.

Ms Suzanne, you are the one that posted that the police told him not to come to Florida.

 

[NSC]

I don't know what happened here.I'm trying to figure it out.were all these 3?children together when this happened.Again it was not recommended for day care.It was agreed she would not have to have it if it caused a finacial burden.

-- those reports on the other kids are SEALED!!!!! :banghead:

 

[Ms Suzanne]

i can understand her saying that he was not going to stay with her, it was the way she said it and the SMIRK she had on her face when she did. it was almost like a DIG on her part.

I'm sure the " DIGS " happened on both parts.Understandly,It was a divorce.

 

[RainyDaze]

IMO it does not make DT look any less negligent to point out that ST was negligent too. As far as that goes, we have no facts to say that he didn't pay child support, just that DT says he didn't, he says he did. I don't know if you have to pay child support until the divorce is final. In a legal separation while going through a divorce, I would think that the child support issue would be settled at that time, but if they had no legal separation drawn up, then the child support might start when the divorce was finalized - which was just recently.

ST being in the military, it's hard for me to believe he didn't pay child support if ordered to, because that is one thing the military REQUIRES you to do. Plus, DT living near a naval base, she and all the kids were entitled to have a military ID card. Her's would be voided when the divorce was final, but the kids could still have one as long as ST was in the military or retired on disability until they became 18 or (24, if attending college). The kids' ID card would have entitled them to health care at the naval base or any other military health facility, so that is part of their support. Now, I do not know if they had this or not, because I do not know the circumstances of ST getting out of the military. I don't know if he just voluntarily got out or was medically discharged. If he was medically discharged, depending on the percentage of disability, I think he would still be able to keep his military ID card and have one for his kids - if say, it was a 100% disability.

As for ST not being able to visit the kids before Somer died, we don't know the reason for that either. I remember hearing that he did not have the funds to go to the funeral and donations were made for that purpose and a van provided. I don't think people would have made these donations for him to visit the kids if one of them had not been killed.

It just seems like these poor kids were not too well cared for by anyone. Of course, that is only my opinion from what I have heard and read. I have no way of knowing if reports are true.

BBM.
I was wondering how long it would take someone to post this info. you are correct and i thank you.

 

[nursebeeme]

Unfounded means nothing was found.If it is found unfounded they actually feel it's a false allegation.These people are trained to find something if it is there and nothing was found.They closed the case.

bbm and respectfully... no it does not. It means there is not enough information present at the time. Not that it is false.
It is very troubling how this unfounded case is the exact same circumstances that led to Somer being killed.

A little deeper digging and better interviews would have founded this case imhoo. But unfortunately that is all hindsight now.

 

[NSC]

I don't believe this is fact.I will have to hear this from all sides.

Yeah I guess Sad is one big fat liar?? *DRIPPING WITH SARCASM* She only witnessed this herself -- she was there -- but apparently you need a whole church full of people to confirm this--

 

[NSC]

Unfounded means nothing was found.If it is found unfounded they actually feel it's a false allegation.These people are trained to find something if it is there and nothing was found.They closed the case.

They need to PROVE the case and if they can't --- they deem it UNFOUNDED -- a system that is BACKED UP as stated in articles posted by ChickP --

 

[NSC]

I honestly don't think he meant this as a threat. and he never said he was going to take them away from her. he stated that he wanted to take them back home with him where they would be safe. i'm sure any parent in his situation would have said the same thing. no, i do not have any evidence per say, her action's with her other children, her lifestyle, heR choice of word's, her body language. i could go on and on. what better time to allow him to see them now when they need him the most? can you answer that? TIA.

Right which would be any normal parent's reaction -- they would want their children to be safe -- you would want to EMBRACE them and protect esp in the wake of such a tragedy like this --

 

[RainyDaze]

I don't believe this is fact.I will have to hear this from all sides.

i did not say this is FACT!!

this info is coming from someone who was @ the funeral and witnessed it for herself. i have no reason to think she would make this up.

 

[NSC]

Since only S was obviously the subject of this investigation I hope there were not any bad repercussions. Hopefully DT was not the kind of person to hold a grudge when she is being held under such personal scrutiny by the school councelor, and by a State agency for children's welfare and wellbeing.

I wonder if she was called by the school for S fighting that day? Not DT was being called into question again for bad parenting by the school!

The article said DT has had to endure so much of that you know. Never mind what S might have endured, I suppose.

Hound, if the other children were part of the investigation - they could not release these details due to them being alive and well. I would be willing to bet the other kids have their own reports which can't be released to the public.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

and this is what is sad about a case being unfounded when it should be founded. if the kids were in aftercare that day Somer would still be here.

It is not coincidental to me that the very thing that DCF investigated these children for is the very thing that happened the day Somer was killed.

It should not have been founded.They found nothing there.If she couldn't afford(and I don't think she could have afforded all her children)day care then it just couldn't happen.I do know daycare in that area and Duval County is NOT free.You also need to be careful of who is really caring for your children in this after school care.

 

[NSC]

I'm sorry.I haven't heard LE say that.

It's all over the news articles --

 

[sadnpod]

My heart does go out to him.But I thought this was one of cruelist things to do and it was not appropiate at all at that time to do.

Ms Suzanne, you go on and on about defending DT and her statements when she was in mourning..

ST had JUST found out his child was killed and put in the trash. He wanted to take the others away from the danger...

why is ok for you to judge what is appropriate for him to say in that moment of unspeakable pain?

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Right which would be any normal parent's reaction -- they would want their children to be safe -- you would want to EMBRACE them and protect esp in the wake of such a tragedy like this --

Doesn't make any difference how you would see it. You would have to see it through the eyes of a mother who just lost her child.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

i did not say this is FACT!!

this info is coming from someone who was @ the funeral and witnessed it for herself. i have no reason to think she would make this up.

I would have to hear this from all sides.You have to remember this is HER little girl that died.I would like to hear what Somers mother has to say.I do respect what she has to say.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Sadnpod, how are you getting those quotes so mixed up? LOL LOL

 

[Ms Suzanne]

They need to PROVE the case and if they can't --- they deem it UNFOUNDED -- a system that is BACKED UP as stated in articles posted by ChickP --

They said it had no basis.They found nothing.They closed the case.They would not have done that if ANYTHING was found.THE CASE IS CLOSED.Please move on.

 

[NSC]

It should not have been founded.They found nothing there.If she couldn't afford(and I don't think she could have afforded all her children)day care then it just couldn't happen.I do know daycare in that area and Duval County is NOT free.You also need to be careful of who is really caring for your children in this after school care.

:banghead::banghead: Where is the bigger risk??? An after school program? Or wandering around by yourself talking to strangers all day long -- as DT has said herself "she knew no stranger" or staying home alone each day after school?:furious::furious::furious:? There are dangers out in this world NO MATTER where our children are -

- can we please look at the risk factors in comparison of the two?? After school care vs a 7 year old having free reign --

 

[nursebeeme]

case in point on founded vs unfounded:

as a school nurse I saw a huge mark on the back of a child (he showed me when he came in to get a bandaid). It looked like a waffle print.. I asked him what happened. He told me that his parent hit him and I got the social worker and we initiated paperwork and called all the right authorities.

He was interviewed (and scared) and gave conflicting stories to SWS and LE. LE took a picture of the mark and searched the home for an object that would match what he was hit with as the child clammed up and the parents denied everything. They didn't find the object.... so the case was listed as unfounded after the child was examined by a doctor.

Two weeks or so later, the child told us what the object was (one of those meat tenderizing hammers!!!!), and we were able to "found" the case and get the parents help as well as the child.

I hope this helped make a little sense. btw, anger management classes and parenting classes made a huge difference for this family. Those interventions helped them. Without the case being FOUNDED we couldn't do those interventions... only suggest them... And if we hadn't kept ON the case and kept trying to find the info we were missing it would have stayed unfounded...