FL - Somer Thompson, 7, Orange Park, 19 Oct 2009 #34

[Sunshine77]

Do you imagine because she was investigated once that it COULD not happen again with a different outcome. I think it would work against her had that been the case just because she had been previously investigated, don't you?

But why would she be worried if they agreed last time the kids were old enough to walk home from school? And now it's a year later, and they are a year older, why would she think it was a problem this time?

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Do you imagine because she was investigated once that it COULD not happen again with a different outcome. I think it would work against her had that been the case just because she had been previously investigated, don't you?

It was a year before she was investigated.Then no more calls.It had NO BASIS.Which shows me there was no case.The case was closed as unfounded.That does not make her look bad.It shows me nothing was there.If there are too many calls and they find them unfounded.They are false allegations and people can get in alot of trouble for making false allegations.

 

[houndstooth]

But why would she we worried if they agreed last time the kids were old enough to walk home from school? And now it's a year later, and they are a year older, why would she think it was a problem this time?

Um. The issue was not walking to school this time. It was a disciplinary issue. Fighting in school. There may have been other issues as well we are not privy too.

 

[Sunshine77]

Um. The issue was not walking to school this time. It was a disciplinary issue. Fighting in school. There may have been other issues as well we are not privy too.

That's why I'm not making the connection with why she would have SP come to the home. I could see her being worried that she needed to do something about Somer, with the fighting at school. But school disciplinary issues are not something investigated by DCF. So why would she think that she suddenly needed someone to come to the house to watch the kids that day? Because possibly the same counselor called her and she was worried? But that doesn't fit either IMO, because if Somer's arguments/fights at school were really that big of an issue and were happening all the time, surely she would have been called about them sometime between when a report was made to child services a year prior and that day?

 

[sorrell skye]

Oct. 2008, DCFS conducted an investigation regarding the supervision & safety of the children.

Oct. 2009, another situation develops that could likely lead to another investigation by DCFS.

Although the previous case was closed, for various documented reasons, the fact that another known incident occurred one year later involving very similar circumstances, and the fact that DT was reported in DCFS documents to have declined reduced/free after school daycare (according to the newspaper report) in order to prevent a repeat occurrence, must have most likely incurred fear in DT's mind that another DCFS investigation would ensue - an investigation in which she would likely not be presented with such amiable choices the second time around.

IMO, I imagine that she was feeling quite frantic, possibly also quite angry, that afternoon.

 

[houndstooth]

It was a year before she was investigated.Then no more calls.It had NO BASIS.Which shows me there was no case.The case was closed as unfounded.That does not make her look bad.It shows me nothing was there.If there are too many calls and they find them unfounded.They are false allegations and people can get in alot of trouble for making false allegations.

You do not know, and I don't either, whether or not the schools had calls to DT about S or her other children since this investigation a year earlier. You don't know if this is the first call about one of her kids or the tenth.

ETA: The difference this time around might revolve around whatever Somer told the councelor and principal even, why she was so mad and upset.!

 

[human]

It is extremely difficult to prove child abuse or neglect. Very, unless children have physical things such as broken bones, cig burns, that kind of thing.

What happens here where I live is that reports are kept by child protection. When enough stuff comes in, then they will go out and investigate.

I am a mandated reporter. If I do not report something, I will go to prison if I don't report if something happens to a child ,and I should have known and reported. I have to report if I have reason to believe.... I cannot be prosecuted, unless someone could show that I was doing it out of some weird reason such as spite.

It may be hard for some to believe, but those of us that work with children put their needs first. As a matter of fact, I tell parents that I am a mandated reporter, and if I see something, I will be reporting because the child is my most important person.

I'm not going to go into things I have reported where nothing happened when I reported, but I can tell you that sometimes the next person's report is the clincher. For example, I reported an adoptive family I thought was not appropriate. Not enough info to do anything.

The next person reported and pleaded for something to happen.

Two years later, Dad made the front page of the paper. For what? Sexual abuse. I know it was of the child I knew of and there is another child, in addition to his adoptive child.

No one, except the people who reported, knows that this was not a surprise. I couldn't prove anything; the next person couldn't prove anything; but finally, Dad was BUSTED!

The adopted child was abused for 2-3 years near as I can tell. She is paying the price because no one could get enough to nail the bas----

 

[petra]

NO ma'am. But, if there had been another investigation that came out of this, in DT's mind, whatever the investigation might have uncovered other things that the agency would have been compelled to inform LE. They might have imposed fines and other trouble might have ensued regarding it. Not to mention again, a pending custody settlement.

I am talking the state of mind of DT. What she may have feared, founded or unfounded. Like the need to make 4:20 calls to a B/F. Clean up our act??
Let's get a sitter on the scene? Her actions speak to being proactive to head off some sort of trouble that day.

Thanks for spelling out this possible scenario.
I'm glad to read others had a question about the connection. Seeems to me to be a real stretch--but, who knows anymore.
I don't live in the states so had no knowledge of what DCFS' role in the episode of walking home from school would be.

 

[txsvicki]

I was disagreed with a whole bunch of threads ago, but I believe that the school would have called Diena at work if Somer had been seen hitting another child while at school. They would probably place her in ISS, in school suspension the next day depending on how strict the school is about hitting. I think it's very possible that happened since Somer seemed to be very upset about it all, but I'm not sure the school would tell all this to the media. At least I hope they wouldn't since it's about a student with disciplinary action forms filled out and is personal information about students.

 

[ChickenPants]

This does seem Hinky, if Somer knew of this "shopping trip" wouldn't she skip home?

If it is a family tradition, wouldn't CP be involved?

Somer already had her costume.

Just from experience,when I shopped for halloween candy it was the same as a friend of mine said, "I buy what I eat or I don't want to eat." Kids didn't go or have a say.

This does seem odd, but I realize it comes from numerous comments on press articles of someone who posts after posts that claims to be a friend of DTs and also totally defends her (post after post), so I have no reason to disclaim what she says verses a neighbor, with a one line quote in the paper. IDK, but a planned family shopping trip without your significant other & with a guy friend does seems off to me.

I just can't read on here before posting: Party party party

WHY are you questioning that SP would want to go Halloween shopping when you know what a special holiday Halloween is to this family, and especially mom. You know that costumes and activities are well planned, and even sometimes they take pictures of their parties, and it must be an occasion for much gladness and celebrating. I am shocked that you don't take this into consideration. And "what does this have to do with the murder of Somer?" Come on, Halloween? DT loves halloween!

 

[ChickenPants]

As well as your thinking, unfortunatly this kind of clothing and attire is so pronounced in the media, such as music videos of pop stars that dress provocitivly and so on. Miley Cyrus dancing on a strip pole on at awards show is one example, admired by little girls everywhere as Hanna Montanna!there are stores in the shopping malls just for little girls that seem to sell grown up clothing in little girls sizes. Kind of off topic here but it is really disgusting that they make costumes like that in childrens sizes. I would hope that if a grown man is watching that he would do this in complete privacy without a chance of a child seeing it! \although i recall babysitting for a lady when i was 12, went to put a movie in the VCR, and it was a ! i watched it for about a minute then i think i threw up! As far as CPC being critisized for watching , I think you would find the majority of men enjoy it, even if they wont admit it, might be sad but it's true. Now him bragging about it on MS i will agree is disturbing.

JMO but if I had been married so many times and had so many relationships and children with different fathers, etc., I highly doubt, that considering my children, I would enter into another live-in relationship with a fellow who lists his #1 FAVORITE as /Comedy IN THAT ORDER. You know how little ones can "accidentally" overhear or see things. So I am not too worried about the impact that TV or Miley Cyrus or skanky little girl outfits had on Somer, but about her direct environment, the activities there, the fact that DCF had been called but this man continued to live there with all of his foibles and activities, that she was still unsupervised, and that it was not SOMER who went out and bought her costumes, but her mother. BIG PICTURE, IT'S ALL IN THE CONTEXT.

 

[ChickenPants]

T.J hart?I didn't know he did one.what did he say?I lost everything on my computer.It died.I tried to build everything back up again.I lost everything again today.So I'm just not saving anything any more for awhile.It's too irritating.But with with LE in the last article.I feel they are waiting on DNA evidence to come back to point to someone.I pray it does.They said they are working with Somers mother keeping her updated the whole way.That doesn't seem like they think she is a suspect to me.They say it's streamlined and focused.They say they won't talk so they do not jepordise the investigation.They mention they can get the PERSON(I took that as one suspect to them.But who knows.I felt they had something and was waiting on something.I noticed they did not if I read it right put a police # to contact.

They are keeping Somer's mother updated through her lawyer, according to the interview during which DT and her Lawyer were present. Significantly, there have been no more media interviews since she "lawyered up".

 

[ChickenPants]

I think she was informed of this most likely by the same person who dialed the hotline and instigated the last investigation. I think DT was WORRIED this lady was going to dial the hotline. I doubt the lady did so. I am saying what I think DT's actions were. Not what the councelors were.

I am in a family of teachers. When there is an incident or incidents the teachers call the parents. If there is more than one incident, guidance (social worker) and/or principal is involved. If there has been previous activity regarding DCFS or anything questionable (such as the child known to be running away from siblings who are supervising her at such a young age) it is HIGHLY LIKELY that teacher/social worker would be on it and PROBABLY would contact DCFS AGAIN because it is a MANDATED REQUIREMENT THAT THEY REPORT ANY SUSPICIONS OF ABUSE OR NEGLECT NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES THEY HAVE TO DO IT.

If you can't see it any other way, then since so many of you want to blame the school system, call it C.Y.A. Because if there is a history of investigation and the school DOES NOT FOLLOW UP ON SUSPICIONS and document it, it will be THEIR that gets blamed. NOT MOMMY.

 

[ChickenPants]

Well the latest debate seems to have originated with SP being at the home THAT DAY, DT leaving work to have lunch at home with him (which shows there is some flexibility about getting off, because, as we know, a lot of working people have to schedule their medical/dental appointments at or around lunchtime and they need coverage), and then she had to leave work (early) again when she got the text about Somer.

ALL ACCORDING TO THE MPR which is nothing more than a lot of statements given to a recording officer.

SP at the house? Come on, you just posted a whole page about DT's marriages and that does not include relationships. The woman likes men. SO WHAT???? I guess it all depends on which men, if you marry them, live with them, have them for lunch, ask them to babysit once or 10 times, consider them neighbors, friends, acquaintenances, ****** buddies, whatever. The only thing that matters to me is what kind of men under what circumstances were around these children. And if you have nothing to hide, why make up different stories? And if your child runs off, get supervision for the child. And if you get a message that she didn't come home "THIS TIME", CALL 911. Don't be calling back and forth to the men and waiting for a cop to cruise by.

THE FIRST TWO HOURS ARE THE MOST SIGNIFICANT FOR AN ABDUCTED CHILD TO BE MURDERED (fbi)

50% OF ALL CHILD ABUDCTIONS/HOMICIDES ARE PERPETRATED BY STEP FATHERS OR OTHER PERIPHERAL PERSONS IN THE HOUSEHOLD (fbi)

DCFS DOES NOT INVESTIGATE PEOPLE FOR NO REASON

JUST BECAUSE AN INVESTIGATION IS "UNFOUNDED" DOES NOT MEAN THAT FUTURE THINGS WILL NOT HAPPEN.

WHEN YOU HAVE BEEN INVESTIGATED BY DCFS YOU SHOULD MAKE A MORE VITAL EFFORT TO DO THE RIGHT THINGS.

YOU SHOULD TAKE CARE OF YOUR MINOR CHILDREN AND SUPERVISE THEM BEFORE DCFS IS CALLED WITHOUT HAVING TO BE TOLD TO.

 

[camcneishg]

fwiw...I tried to make some sort of map showing where DT worked, in comparison to the children's school....it is next to AC's school, not Somers:

 

[Ms Suzanne]

They are keeping Somer's mother updated through her lawyer, according to the interview during which DT and her Lawyer were present. Significantly, there have been no more media interviews since she "lawyered up".

http://www.examiner.com/x-23328-Tru...m-Somer-awaits-forensics-reports-girls-killer


Quote from the article

With respect to the girl's survivors--including Somer's twin brother, Sam, Justino notes, "the supervisors on this case also are staying in communication with Diena Thompson and her family, keeping her up to date on the work being done."

 

[dar107]

Well. The school was visited by LE by the detectives as told by several articles. I think they were following up on a couple things. Yes. I am also using conjecture here because there had to be a reason for DT to have SP come to the house that particular day ( not shopping ). It was known and reported that Somer was in a fight at school that day. It was such a big deal to her brother and sister that her sister chastised her about it, she hit her brother with the book carrier and took off. As Somer was said to "catch up" to them, I thought she may have been asked to stay after school that day. It did not seem too far a stretch considering her history, that DT would have been informed by a school councelor.

As to why worry about DFS. She did not want to be scrutinized by a State agency.(AGAIN) She probably was not prepared for a pop visit. It may have resulted in a substantial daycare bill being imposed because she was not destitute, but it would definitely curtail her spending habits. There may have also been other fines assessed or something else depending on the findings this time around.

Ok so in short, its just another assumption that DT might have been called by the school the day Somer was taken, correct? I just wanted be clear if this is just theory or a fact.

 

[dar107]

JMO but if I had been married so many times and had so many relationships and children with different fathers, etc., I highly doubt, that considering my children, I would enter into another live-in relationship with a fellow who lists his #1 FAVORITE as /Comedy IN THAT ORDER. You know how little ones can "accidentally" overhear or see things. So I am not too worried about the impact that TV or Miley Cyrus or skanky little girl outfits had on Somer, but about her direct environment, the activities there, the fact that DCF had been called but this man continued to live there with all of his foibles and activities, that she was still unsupervised, and that it was not SOMER who went out and bought her costumes, but her mother. BIG PICTURE, IT'S ALL IN THE CONTEXT.

I was just making a generalized statement and giving an example how this type of thing has become acceptable to some and the bad influences of entertainment media in general on children, but thanks for your opinion on my post.

IMO whether Somer had a GO GO costume or a Snow White costume, its not really relevant to her abduction. I think alot of things are being taken WAY OUT OF CONTEXT!

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Ok so in short, its just another assumption that DT might have been called by the school the day Somer was taken, correct? I just wanted be clear if this is just theory or a fact.

BBM

I’m not talking about anything in particular, just several things I have noticed discussed recently.

Unfortunately since there is no official news about the investigation coming out and no word from LE, a lot of what is discussed on this case as fact seems to be rumor or something that comes from comments from message boards.

It gets confusing because when something is talked about over and over as fact, they somehow become fact in many people’s minds. When in fact, they were rumor to begin with.

JMO

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Truth is, we have very little in the way of facts to go on IMO.

I am looking forward to a release of facts by LE or break in this case so we can have more to discuss than just DT's parenting skills. JMO