FL - Somer Thompson, 7, Orange Park, 19 Oct 2009 #34

[Noway]

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Oh my avatar is annoying me. It won't be here long.

 

[Sunshine77]

I wish LE would clear DT too, just to end speculation. But they are not clearing anyone, or saying much else but they are processing evidence. But in my mind, they are not clearing her because she was never a suspect, so they feel no need to clear her. They have repeatedly referred to the suspect as "he", referred to the crime as a child abduction, sheriff said he fears for the safety of the community until they catch the person responsible. IMO, not language you use if you suspect DT. And, by and large, the community, has been supportive of her. I would say the majority don't feel she was/is a suspect. I've never heard anyone locally say they think she is involved, with the exception of some people posting on news sites but I take that all with a grain of salt. It's the community that organized the fundraisers (I know, with DT's blessing, please don't use this to start another debate on the fundraising), heck even law enforcement participated in the fundraising. So, I think they just don't feel the need to hold a press conference, and say "we cleared her" with everything else they have to do. JMO.

 

[camcneishg]

I have to hope they have "cleared" some people even if they have not shared that with the public. Don't all of you?

I mean they get a lead or tip, follow it through, and it doesn't pan out. They don't contact the media and say "The bread truck driver from Eddie's Bakery* has been cleared."

*I don't know if there is an Eddie's Bakery in OP ... I made it up to make the point.

I agree with you NoWay.....but then again...Eddies Bakery is not getting the hateful comments directed toward it like DT is.....I would think that if they do not suspect her in some way, they would come forward for this "poor grieving mother", so she can have some peace....kwim??

 

[bkcrt]

Sunshine...

Can you tell us the the street name of the rumored dumpster??

I understand it is a rumor....as a lot of things that have been shared on the site.

I am curious though.

I am sure there are tons of rumors floating around Orange Park. As long as you say it is a rumor, we are allowed to share, right?

 

[Noway]

Maybe they don't think we (the public) is worth it.

I don't actually think the hateful comments would stop even if Mary Justino came forward and said "Diena Thompson is not a suspect in Somer's murder, nor has she ever been. She has cooperated fully since Somer first went missing. Yadda Yadda Yadda."

I think the type of person who sent Diena hateful comments or called her or however she got them ... would keep doing it.

 

[Sunshine77]

I can agree with all that you have said, except

1. Why don't they clear DT?

2. If it is a sexual crime, aren't they concerned this person will do it again or do you think they are watching this person 24/7?

3. Do you think this person is in the pokey for another crime and that is why the community is safe from the person?

What does your LE person think?

What does you LE person think about the Gano house?

What does your LE person think as to why they would use digging equipment to dig in the Gano back yard?

TIA as it would be great to get an insider's take on this-a real LE instead of us amatuers trying to figure it out.

The family member is NOT LE, just want to make that clear. They are in forensics, which can be done outside of law enforcement. They also said it is impossible to know much of anything for sure, without more information being put out. I don't know that anything they told me is anything any one of us couldn't figure out, or haven't thought of already. They feel Gano house must hold some significance with the amount of time LE spent there collecting evidence. Only idea on the digging equipment was to go through the dumpster, without having more information. As for the "type" of suspect, they feel it is someone who is inexperienced, contradicting what was said on AMW. To them, an experienced person wouldn't take as many chances as they did. Taking her in broad daylight, many potential witnesses around, leaving evidence as LE stated there was, and putting the body in a dumpster, with a much bigger risk of being caught. But they also said there is a chance it was planned by an experienced person, someone who knew when garbage would be picked up, maybe put her in there right before pick up, thinking they would never be caught.

I don't know what to think anymore. Just when I think I have a theory that fits, I see or read (well re-read) something else that sends me off sleuthing in another direction.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Maybe they don't think we (the public) is worth it.

I don't actually think the hateful comments would stop even if Mary Justino came forward and said "Diena Thompson is not a suspect in Somer's murder, nor has she ever been. She has cooperated fully since Somer first went missing. Yadda Yadda Yadda."

I think the type of person who sent Diena hateful comments or called her or however she got them ... would keep doing it.

I totally agree. Her parenting would still be questioned. And for the most part that's what I see here.

 

[ccane]

I just stoping buy to say hello and as Martin Luther King would say

"Free at last, free at last. Thank God Almighty, I am free at last."

 

[4mer.naybor]

Is that a FACT or should we call it a RUMOR? Did you document it?

which part are you asking about? If I lived next door to DT? thats a fact...they lived at ..fort jackson, sc (Fact)

regarding the kids wondering and coming in at dark...well that would be my sworn testimony I suppose

And the last part about Somer is my opinion.

 

[RainyDaze]

Maybe they don't think we (the public) is worth it.

I don't actually think the hateful comments would stop even if Mary Justino came forward and said "Diena Thompson is not a suspect in Somer's murder, nor has she ever been. She has cooperated fully since Somer first went missing. Yadda Yadda Yadda."

I think the type of person who sent Diena hateful comments or called her or however she got them ... would keep doing it.

this is the first murder case i have ever seen where they did not clear the family from the get go.. something is not right here, if LE
truly believes she had nothing to do with SOMER'S murder, i have no doubt they would have came forward a long time ago and said so. that sure make's me WONDER!! :violin:

 

[Sunshine77]

Sunshine...

Can you tell us the the street name of the rumored dumpster??

I understand it is a rumor....as a lot of things that have been shared on the site.

I am curious though.

I am sure there are tons of rumors floating around Orange Park. As long as you say it is a rumor, we are allowed to share, right?

Okay, in all fairness I did bring it up so PLEASE PLEASE everyone understand that this is ALL RUMOR. I have heard the Hooters dumpster on Wells Rd several times, which was discussed here some threads back. Even if I didn't post much until recently, I have read all the threads here.

The other location is a dumpster located on another major highway in the area. The way this information came to me is from a friend, who is a frequent customer of the business in question, and she said an employee there told her they had all been questioned by law enforcement and that they had been out collecting evidence from the dumpster. I hesitate to get any more specific than that, because if this is truly the location of said dumpster, law enforcement must have there reasons for not making this public yet, and I don't want to be the one posting it on the internet. I have no reason to doubt what this friend told me, but she doesn't know the employee all that well. People can have millions of reasons for saying what they say, wanting their 15 minutes of fame, and somehow connecting themselves to a case when in fact they know nothing. KWIM?

ETA: What I was trying to say, but couldn't get out clearly, is that if the second location was in fact true, I would think LE would have made it clear not to say anything. I don't think they want this information floating around. I could see an employee telling a close family member, for instance, but not just a customer they really didn't have a relationship with.

 

[Sunshine77]

And suprisingly, there are not tons of rumors floating around, at least not that I hear. Maybe if I lived closer to the neighborhood, or knew someone I would hear more. That's why I came on here in the first place. I don't know, I've always found it strange how little is floating around. I think LE is defintely keeping alot to themselves. And the two dumpster location rumors I've heard came way back, not too long after the funeral. I've just never shared because I don't think either one is where she was found.

 

[houndstooth]

I wish LE would clear DT too, just to end speculation. But they are not clearing anyone, or saying much else but they are processing evidence. But in my mind, they are not clearing her because she was never a suspect, so they feel no need to clear her. They have repeatedly referred to the suspect as "he", referred to the crime as a child abduction, sheriff said he fears for the safety of the community until they catch the person responsible. IMO, not language you use if you suspect DT. And, by and large, the community, has been supportive of her. I would say the majority don't feel she was/is a suspect. I've never heard anyone locally say they think she is involved, with the exception of some people posting on news sites but I take that all with a grain of salt. It's the community that organized the fundraisers (I know, with DT's blessing, please don't use this to start another debate on the fundraising), heck even law enforcement participated in the fundraising. So, I think they just don't feel the need to hold a press conference, and say "we cleared her" with everything else they have to do. JMO.

Excuse me. If LE said "she" referring to a suspect, who do you think people would assume he might be indicating?? If LE does not want to tip their hand they will either remain ambiguous, or say the accepted answer. Most people assume a "he" in every case.

And I feel LE will not clear anyone because that also is misleading to the perp.
If you CAN"T clear the parent, then it is probably best you SAY you can't clear anyone. Rather than name people involved in the case as clear, but then don't mention DT. That would be a tip off too as to who the suspect is, also. Your pleas, and coutless others I have read in the past 3 months have not escaped LE's notice. They do not clear her because they CAN NOT clear her. That should be patently obvious by now!

 

[ChickenPants]

ChicP..what is the name of the book that these rules, regulations, policies and procedures are in?

TIA

I just posted, I think, the link pertaining to mandatory requirements. Will try to find it again. It is not a "book", it is legal protocol. Each school has different policies and procedures of how that school will meet legal criteria. Bottom line: reporting suspected endangerment is MANDATORY and you are subject to fines and prosecution if you do not.

 

[ChickenPants]

I'm NOT talking about the student handbook. I'm talking about the official book probably from the Florida Department of Education that would list HOW things are suppose to be done.

It's not Fl Department of Education; it is federal and state mandated requirements, which FL Dept. of Education has to follow.

 

[Noway]

which part are you asking about? If I lived next door to DT? thats a fact...they lived at Ct. and I lived in ct...fort jackson, sc (Fact)

regarding the kids wondering and coming in at dark...well that would be my sworn testimony I suppose

And the last part about Somer is my opinion.

Since they don't live there anymore and people unrelated to the case do, maybe you could remove the digits?

 

[ChickenPants]

I was just sitting here "working" and had a thought.

I have to believe LE knows a lot more than they are sharing. I beleive they pretty much know who did this and are waiting for the last bit of evidence to come in. That's why they are so tight lipped about it and why they are not still screaming from the roof tops that a child killer is out there on the lose. IMO they are watching this person.

Could the reason they are so waiting for every bit of evidence they can get be the Sunshine Law???? If they charge someone now, wouldn't all their invesigative work be turned over and become public knowledge? Maybe they are not ready for that yet.

IMO there has to be a reason they are so tight lipped.

Cp: how do you know this?

How do you know the killer didn't see Somer for the very first time that day?

Well, Kim, of course I don't "know" this. I don't "know" anything. I can't think of the person never having seen her before because

(1) if he saw her for the very first time that day, in such a short time, without having really looked at her, what motive would he have?

(2) how would he "see her for the first time" and then make a snap decision to grab her and - do whatever - eventually murdering her - in broad daylight, unless he is a totally mentally unbalanced type of person who goes around talking to himself...and people would have noticed a person like that.

(3) predators who grab children usually have "groomed" or watched them for some time.

(4) a stranger - non-predator....why? Why her, and why then? Are you thinking he was just standing around waiting for a child...any child...to walk by? If that is the case, it would make more sense that he would have taken a child from a playground, a less populated area, a different time of the day

(5) not only killing her, but getting rid of the body, would have taken some time, etc., I don't see a person like that being able to carry it off.

Doesn't make sense. Makes more sense that it is a person who, for some reason only he knows at this time, wanted HER...knew her routines, was in the area watching, and on that day found his opportunity when she ran off in a tiff.

IMO

 

[ChickenPants]

Are you assuming that this child in particular was targeted?

I am of the opinion that if she was not targeted by someone she knew - who wanted her dead, then she simply was an easily available target for someone who knew her routines and saw his opportunity.

 

[NSC]

I have to hope they have "cleared" some people even if they have not shared that with the public. Don't all of you?

I mean they get a lead or tip, follow it through, and it doesn't pan out. They don't contact the media and say "The bread truck driver from Eddie's Bakery* has been cleared."

*I don't know if there is an Eddie's Bakery in OP ... I made it up to make the point.

Yes, of course at this point I was talking about his speech the day after the funeral!

 

[ChickenPants]

Are you assuming that this child in particular was targeted?

I am of the opinion that if she was not target by someone she knew who wanted her dead, then she simply was an easily available target for someone who knew her routines and saw his opportunity.


Or to put it another way: Because she was so easily available, he targeted her, as opposed to a child who was supervised and who he could not get to.