FL - Somer Thompson, 7, Orange Park, 19 Oct 2009 #34

[Noway]

Yes, of course at this point I was talking about his speech the day after the funeral!

Thank you ... because I wasn't sure what anyone was thinking. People keep posting that statement by the Sheriff as if it is still true today.

I don't think that is true. I just think the Sheriff has not made public ANY of those who have been cleared. Because to clear them, he may have had to reveal why parts of the investigation made it seem they could be the one.

JMO

 

[ChickenPants]

But we don't know the facts of the case yet so how can we assume her wandering before had anything to do with this case?

We know she ran ahead that day. That's about all we know.

We do not know that she was targeted.

I am not going to post the fbi statistics again that show that the overwhelming majority of child abduction and homicides occur because children are unsupervised.

Or the statistics that show that a parent's failure to supervise child(ren) is on the checklist for child endangerment.

I think it is perfectly clear that her wandering around unsupervised is has everything to do with the murder, with the exception of the deed itself.

 

[4mer.naybor]

Since they don't live there anymore and people unrelated to the case do, maybe you could remove the digits?

Done....sorry, trying to be honest and answer questions asked. :blushing:

 

[houndstooth]

In your mind, about what time was Somer "abducted"?

What time was she killed?

What time was she "dumped"?

I used quotations because not everyone believes she was abducted or dumped in a separate location. But if you do, I would appreciate it if you will respond with answers so that we can see what kind of timeline we are all working within.
TIA

 

[ChickenPants]

I would just take what any so called neighbor or any one has to say with a grain of salt.We don't know these people and if what they say is fact or not.I don't think Somer wandered around alot.

Again, this very repetitive assertion infers that the neighbors and everyone associated with Somer except for her mother are liars.

"I don't think Somer wandered around alot" is your opinion, put alongside the "opinions" or "statements" of several persons who told law investigators that she did, citing specific examples of where she wandered, which children she played with and what she did.

Whether she wandered once or 100 times is too many times for a seven year old to be running around a neighborhood for up to 2 hours and people to be calling the neighbors to find out where she might be. Yet it is insisted here again and again that "any child can disappear in a second". LOGICALLY THEN, if DCFS was sent to your home to investigate this, what do you think they told DT? They told her at the very least that there were concerns for her childrens' safety and they "recommended" day care. WHY DID THEY RECOMMEND DAY CARE? If it was o-k for Somer to be running around, why bother if the report was unfounded. They could just say, "story fabricated, case closed" but no, they were concerned enough for the 7 year old (and her twin's) safety to recommend child care arrangements.

BTW...if you read that article again, it states that it was only after 3 DAYS that Somer was determined to be a "low-risk" child. I'm anxious to hear the discussion on that.

In fact it could be judged by these statements that "we" don't know any of these neighbors and cannot trust them, but "you" know DT, and can vouch with absolute certaintly and with documented proof, that she was telling the absolute truth when she expressed that Somer never ran off before, and that she had "...no idea" of any possibility that this wandering child could have been in or near the woods. Which is where that cliche originates: ignorance is bliss.

Whoever grabbed her was not ignorant. He knew he could get away with it, even in broad daylight. Because nobody was watching her.

 

[human]

Okay, in all fairness I did bring it up so PLEASE PLEASE everyone understand that this is ALL RUMOR. I have heard the Hooters dumpster on Wells Rd several times, which was discussed here some threads back. Even if I didn't post much until recently, I have read all the threads here.

The other location is a dumpster located on another major highway in the area. The way this information came to me is from a friend, who is a frequent customer of the business in question, and she said an employee there told her they had all been questioned by law enforcement and that they had been out collecting evidence from the dumpster. I hesitate to get any more specific than that, because if this is truly the location of said dumpster, law enforcement must have there reasons for not making this public yet, and I don't want to be the one posting it on the internet. I have no reason to doubt what this friend told me, but she doesn't know the employee all that well. People can have millions of reasons for saying what they say, wanting their 15 minutes of fame, and somehow connecting themselves to a case when in fact they know nothing. KWIM?

ETA: What I was trying to say, but couldn't get out clearly, is that if the second location was in fact true, I would think LE would have made it clear not to say anything. I don't think they want this information floating around. I could see an employee telling a close family member, for instance, but not just a customer they really didn't have a relationship with.

People talk because they just need to share the horror of it all. On a major highway makes sense, though, when you think about it.

I think we have all heard the Hooters and there have even been pics posted of the location on here at WS.

As for the other location, and I totally respect you for not giving away the exact location, I'd like to pick your brain on it.

Is it a place where the person would have to wait until the evening to do the horror? Is it out of sight of the mainstream? And do you think the average person would think it's a good spot, or do you think the perp might have some knowledge of it as a good spot.

I hope that you can answer these without compromising. anything,

 

[camcneishg]

bedtime....blessings......I pray tomorrow will be Somer's Day!!

 

[ChickenPants]

But unless we have the facts, we can't say if it played a role or not.

Every case is different.

How about the fact that in one video clip, DT said: "I wish I would have walked her home that day...I feel so guilty."

No, I am not going to go back and look it up for anyone.

 

[Noway]

Done....sorry, trying to be honest and answer questions asked. :blushing:

LOL ... I finally was able to get them all out of mine too. Double :blushing: :blushing:

 

[txsvicki]

I am not going to post the fbi statistics again that show that the overwhelming majority of child abduction and homicides occur because children are unsupervised.

Or the statistics that show that a parent's failure to supervise child(ren) is on the checklist for child endangerment.

I think it is perfectly clear that her wandering around unsupervised is has everything to do with the murder, with the exception of the deed itself.

Of course the wandering around and not staying with the group had something to do with the murder. Being friendly with total strangers didn't help either. It's on record with the school, the former babysitter, and a neighbor all say that Somer either wandered or got lost. Diena didn't feel she could afford after school care and the school can't afford to bus all the kids or offer free after school care. DFS found no immediate danger to the kids and if they said Diena's kids couldn't walk then they'd have to look at up to 70 other kids and do something about the situation. That wasn't about to happen. Even if they did provide free transportation and care, a kid can't be roaming and wandering the neighborhood on the weekends and after they get home from school safely either. Some kids need constant supervision to keep them from danger and Somer must have been one of them. She needed babysitters and adults supervising at all times to make sure she didn't wander off or talk to strangers.

 

[ChickenPants]

I am so confused here. When LE looks at a crime, they examine everything. I don't know if her parenting or lack of caused or contributed to this happening.

But LE says that she was unaccounted for sometimes, the babysitter said that she was unaccounted for sometimes, and the neighbors said that she was around the neighborhood a lot on her own.

We DO KNOW for a FACT that she was alone on that fateful day.

There are so many inconsistencies in this whole situation.

1. Who is on the initial MPR and who is not and Why?
2. Where mom worked.
3. What time she left.
4. Why the oldest was at OPAA and who searched , where they searched,how they communicated.
5. Why SP was at the home.
6. Who is Kyle?
7. Who was working at Gano and at what time?
8. Where she went after Gano.
9. Who saw her after Gano.
10. How did her scent disappear?
11.The different descriptions of the back packs.
12. The different times reported that she left school.
13. The non-stop fund raising.
14. The whole landfill situation.

I'm sure plenty that I have left out.

We have to believe that in 3 months time, LE has interviewed and re-interviewed everyone and scrutinized their expressions, and determined whereabouts, and asked if they had anyone who could vouch for their claims, and sleuthed the web, and have looked into all of the DCFS CALLS AND REPORTS, have subpoenaed Somer's school records, have been AT the fund raisers and vigils and memorial services, searched her room and saw any and all back packs there, done everything but dig up the foundation of the Gano house, spent the night at the Thompson home and seen/heard them unguarded, know what youths are up to by reading MSP and FB, read WebSleuths...etc., etc.

NO stone left unturned, Team Somer - election year. On the job. Unless they are total losers, and I just can't believe that. Too much sticks out like a sore thumb for them not to have perp(s) and they have autopsy and all the details of every fiber or smudge of DNA on her, she wasn't in the garbage long enough for it to deteriorate much. Technology, CSI, keep the faith!

 

[zannah]

Can anyone local give some idea of what kinds of businesses are in The Park Shopping Center on Kingsley besides the Chinese restaurant? I've done the Google map thing, but can't read the signs on the buildings.



Just realized restaurant is near but not in that center. My "doh" moment of the day. Was able to get closer in on map view and found what I needed.

 

[Sunshine77]

Well, Kim, of course I don't "know" this. I don't "know" anything. I can't think of the person never having seen her before because

(1) if he saw her for the very first time that day, in such a short time, without having really looked at her, what motive would he have?

(2) how would he "see her for the first time" and then make a snap decision to grab her and - do whatever - eventually murdering her - in broad daylight, unless he is a totally mentally unbalanced type of person who goes around talking to himself...and people would have noticed a person like that.

(3) predators who grab children usually have "groomed" or watched them for some time.

(4) a stranger - non-predator....why? Why her, and why then? Are you thinking he was just standing around waiting for a child...any child...to walk by? If that is the case, it would make more sense that he would have taken a child from a playground, a less populated area, a different time of the day

(5) not only killing her, but getting rid of the body, would have taken some time, etc., I don't see a person like that being able to carry it off.

Doesn't make sense. Makes more sense that it is a person who, for some reason only he knows at this time, wanted HER...knew her routines, was in the area watching, and on that day found his opportunity when she ran off in a tiff.

IMO

Although I lean strongly towards thinking that this was stranger, I also think it could have been someone watching her. So I don't disagree with you that it could be someone who planned this and watched her.

But to answer your questions on how it could be someone that wasn't watching her:
1) Sexual motivation
2) IDK, i'm not a predator and can't understand it. What makes any of them decide to abduct a child? Opportunity combined with some sort of desire, I would suppose. The stats I've read say most stranger abductions happen in an outdoor area (like a park or street).
3) In stranger abductions, perps don't generally groom their victims. Wouldn't be a stranger abduction then. Someone who knows the victim and has groomed them would not be a stranger.
4) I don't think it would be a stranger/non predator. But killing just to kill is not unheard of, I guess.
5) I think a stranger could have carried off the time frame, just as someone she knew. Could have taken her somewhere else in a vehicle. Could have had her in the Gano house where no one could here. Lots of possiblities, just like if someone she knew did it.

 

[human]

I am a Gano house fan, for one spot, although not convinced of it.

Scenarios:

1. There is a crazed sex offender working there and she arrives. There are many people around, he doesn't know if she lives a couple doors down and parents are waiting for her, but there she is. The monster who took Jaycee Dugard was incredibly blatant, wasn't he? So it could be, no matter how crazy it sounds to me.

He entices her into the car and off they go. Figures the garbage is a for suresy for not getting caught. She's missing, but who knows where?

2. Teen(s) in the neighborhood see her, entice her, and do some weird crazy thing we can't comprehend or imagine for some weird crazy purpose. Teen(s)have a car. They've worked jobs where they have had to put things into dumpsters. No problemo.

3. DT, or CPC, or SP see her, and because of some punishment measure, she accidentally dies. Same scenario.

4. Crazy neighbor sees her, entices her, and same scenario.

That's all I can see so far.

Anyone else?

 

[ChickenPants]

I understand what you are saying but what are you basing your opinion of DT on? Is it founded, factual information or rumors and statistics?

Because while statistics are great to get a feel for what may have happened, they have to be backed with evidence to show what actually did happen.

I just have not seen any evidence that says DT is not a good mother.

Dear WS friend who cares about Somer and her mother:

If you had a six year old child who liked to twirl down the street, never knew a stranger, hugged everybody, and ran off from her little twin and older (9 year old) sister on the way home from school, and wandered into other people's yards looking for a playmate...wandered around water...treehouses...

would you continue to let her walk home from school without someone looking out after her?

If the school called you because they were concerned, or sent out an investigator to your home, and the investigator told you that this was not a good idea, and suggested day care options to you...would YOU still continue to let this little girl roam around?

What is a definition of a good mother, anyway?

To feed, clothe, provide shelter, nurturing, medical care, and SUPERVISION
according to the checklist for potential child endangerment.

Now we are not talking about DT, we are talking about US.

If you had a dog that continually got out and roamed the neighborhood, and you knew someone could grab your dog, or it could get hit by a car, or bite somebody, etc., what would you do? I ask this with all respect.

PLEASE: I am begging people not to post: "What has a dog biting somebody got to do with Somer's murder or whether DT is a good mother???"

 

[ChickenPants]

Let's move on. So what have you sleuthed and what have you determined from your sleuthing?

Did you look at the Vinson Design and Build Website? What do you think about that?

Do you have any ideas on how we could find out who works there?

What do you think about the fact that the high school kids get out a couple hours earlier than the elementary?

Do you think that the fact that there is a skate park near by has any bearing on anything?

Why do you think AC was at OPAA? Do you think OPAA has any bearing on this seeing as LE took something out of there?

What do you think about sadnpod's pictures of the bathroom? Do you see anything in there that raises questions for you?

What was going on at OPAA that fateful day in terms of activities after school. Were there a lot of teams and people there?

WHAT do you think was the reason Somer was not watched and was allowed to run around making her a huge bulls-eye target for any sexual predator that she would run up to and hug or any other criminal who had guts enough to grab her in broad daylight? Because none of the above theories work if she wasn't available to these people. She would be alive today.

 

[ChickenPants]

In all honesty I have been all over the map on who did it. (Except for DT herself)

First I suspected PC because it seemed natural to look at him from what other friends/neighbors and I. discussed about him. I looked at some obvious sex offenders, the younger crowd in OP...I still don't have a specific person of interest. I do agree with MS. Suzanne about the house on Gano and the crew that worked there.

She certainly had access to a lot of activities, people, events, that she could threaten to tell about to other people if she was mad and wanted to get her way, too. The kid got around and saw a lot.

 

[ChickenPants]

I didn't come on here to fight with anyone, I am here for Somer, and out of concern for the other Thompson children.
What DT does with her life is her business.

I am not here to fight either. Every one of my posts has been to respond to another post that infers blind judgmentalism on the parts of people who are either familiar with DT's activities or have broken this down to it's most fundamental parts. A child is born, a child grows, a child is a child, it does not grow alone. Somewhere this child was left alone. I am not going to debate with others about who is telling lies, or proof. Lack of proof can sometimes be as important.

If you took Somer's life from what we have learned on WS since she was 6 years old until she was killed, and played it in your head like a movie, it would be a tragedy that could have been avoided. Where are the other people in this movie? What are they doing? What is happening? So far the movie has ended up with her in a landfill. But there is a sequel, when the whole thing will be replayed. Then we shall see.

 

[NSC]

Dear WS friend who cares about Somer and her mother:

If you had a six year old child who liked to twirl down the street, never knew a stranger, hugged everybody, and ran off from her little twin and older (9 year old) sister on the way home from school, and wandered into other people's yards looking for a playmate...wandered around water...treehouses...

would you continue to let her walk home from school without someone looking out after her?

If the school called you because they were concerned, or sent out an investigator to your home, and the investigator told you that this was not a good idea, and suggested day care options to you...would YOU still continue to let this little girl roam around?

What is a definition of a good mother, anyway?

To feed, clothe, provide shelter, nurturing, medical care, and SUPERVISION
according to the checklist for potential child endangerment.

Now we are not talking about DT, we are talking about US.

If you had a dog that continually got out and roamed the neighborhood, and you knew someone could grab your dog, or it could get hit by a car, or bite somebody, etc., what would you do? I ask this with all respect.

PLEASE: I am begging people not to post: "What has a dog biting somebody got to do with Somer's murder or whether DT is a good mother???"

Actually, in my town that I live in -- if your dog gets out and wanders -- The first time Public Safety brings home is free, the next and the next come with a fee -- and if it gets so out of control that the owner doesn't take care of their dog properly, I believe the dog is seized and given up for adoption due to negligence without cooperation of dog owners to provide a safe place for their pet--

Don't even bother to question me on this - the Animal Control lady in my town is my godmother -- she is a HUGE animal rights activist!

Funny, we are more humane to our animals in some cases -- sad and yet it isn't - at least they have advocates.

 

[Noway]

I wondered whether Diena had talked to her coworkers about Somer and whether someone in the office (patient) could have overheard.